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[edit] About Mim

I'm not sure that the information from NoME about Mim trying to kill Finrod should be included in the main section of the article: my reason being that Nargothrond wasn't completed until about the year FA 102, while Mim died in the year FA 502, meaning that Mim would be at least 400 years old at the time of his death, older than any other dwarf (except Durin the Deathless).

Given the (seeming) discrepancies in the chronology, I think this information should be included in the OVOTL. IvarTheBoneless 12:24, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm trying to apply the info from TNOME carefully, to avoid contradictions, but I see no problem with this case. The lifespan of the Dwarves was diminished with the ages, so I see no problem with a Dwarf living 400+ years in the First Age (and there can always be exceptions), and we must consider that Mîm is depicted as being quite old. Also, the text of the Founding of Nargothrond is from 1969, so at this point Tolkien was well awared of the dates and would have not made a chronological mistake. I'm planning to add this new info in the article of Mîm too, unless somebody proofs me wrong, of course. --LorenzoCB 12:40, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
Can you point me to the text that says that the dwarven lifespan diminished with the ages? Also, are we sure that the timeline Tolkien had in mind in 1969 is the same as that of the Grey Annals?
Also also - while not really on the topic - what about Ingwe and his family as described in the NoME: if I remember correctly the final generational scheme had Ingwe as the 25th (or 24th?) generation descendant of Imin, yet in the articles about Ingwe, he is described as being the 6th generation descendant...but I think I should move this discussion elsewhere. IvarTheBoneless 13:38, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, I can't say now what's the page number, but in The Peoples of Middle-earth, in the "The Making of Appendix A: (iv) Durin's Folk" it is said: Dwarves of different 'breeds' vary in their longevity. Durin's race were originally long-lived (especially those named Durin), but like most other peoples they had become less so during the Third Age. Their average age (unless they met a violent death) was about 250 years, which they seldom fell far short of, but could occasionally far exceed (up to 300). A Dwarf of 300 was about as rare and aged as a Man of 100. No doubt a Dwarf in the First Age could live 400+. About the timeline, what timeline could be other than the Grey Annals? We have The Tale of Years (The War of the Jewels), but it only has different dates in the last years of the First Age.
About Ingwë, we have a problem indeed beyond the ancestry, as I said in Talk:Ingwë. It is kinda unfortunate you applied the genealogy tree in several articles, but I guess you didn't see my concern. My bad adding the new info without having TNOME properly digested. But in the case of Mîm I don't see any problem. --LorenzoCB 15:20, 26 September 2021 (UTC)