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Talk:Luvailin

Maybe this has been discussed before, but anyway: should we say "was" or "is" when we talk about things in Aman? Aren't we supposed to think that (unlike Middle-earth and especially NĂºmenor) anything that "was" there still "is" there even if the Undying Lands have been removed from "our world"? --Tik 22:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

All articles about concepts in Tolkien's fictional works should be in past tense. See Manual of Style: Tense. --Morgan 23:16, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure about whether that rule should apply everywhere. I'd argue that Aman should be an exception... but even then, if we suppose that Aman still exists as of 2013 AD, we don't know how much of it remains the same and if Luvailin still exists. Sage 10:45, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't like the idea of having articles about Aman in present tense -- everything is part of the literary universe, and this is how I think we should treat it (as a story and not as part of the real-world history). We would otherwise have to treat articles about Elves in Aman in present tense, for example "Legolas is...", which is a bit weird. I think our current standard is good.--Morgan 18:05, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology

Quenya or Sindarin? It seems to me that ailin is clearly Quenya (as stated in the Etymologies, cf. also Noldorin oel, oelin ibid., Sindarin Aelin-Uial etc.). and being a place-name from Aman without any context referring to its usage in the Middle-Earth it hardly could be Sindarin. --Tik 06:49, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

+1 Sage 09:05, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
I have quoted your suggestion in the forum, Tik (where the reference takes you).--Morgan 11:38, 22 November 2013 (UTC)