Talk:Last prince of Cardolan

Why...?

This character is only mentioned once in the legendarium and doesn't even have a name. It doesn't hold any value on its own as all the important info on this page is already mentioned in the "Angmar War" page. I propose a quick move to deletion.--Tolkienator 12:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the reasons for deletion that were already provided by Tolkienator. This page should be deleted. The little information that is known about the last prince of Cardolan and the dream in the barrow in the barrow Downs is already or can be included in existing pages. --Akhorahil 14:52, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. --Ancalagon the Black 15:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

I think we can keep it, the wiki has no problem with unnamed topics. But the article needs to be cleaned up to be more focused on the character. Idk if the author saw this or not, but he looks quite rude including a dozillion links after the deletion was proposed. --LorenzoCB 17:30, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

I think it should be deleted. There is no confirmation of a kingship in Cardolan, no less the ambiguity of a prince in Cardolan. With all the relevant information about this character existing in the Angmar War article, this page should be swiftly deleted. Not to mention the heavy speculation in the "Mentions" and "Family" sub-sections of the article.--Tolkienator 03:51, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

I do not have access to The Lord of the Rings - A Readers Companion, which is often cited as a source in the article, especially in the "Mentions" and "Family" sub-sections of the article. As a consequence, I can not verify, whether the speculations are included in this reputable Source that was written by two reputable Tolkien scholars. Even if the speculations were only made by the author of the article, it is explained in the article on which facts the speculations are based and the wording in the article makes clear that they are speculations. Some users of Tolkien Gateway have probably already wondered who the person in the dream was. --Akhorahil 05:10, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

I have the book. If nobody does it first, I'll revise the references and the content of the article when I can. Then we can decide if it is deleted or not. --LorenzoCB 10:48, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

I think this article should be removed. While we do not exactly have a standard of notoriety that I am aware of, this character receives only a passing mention. His entire existence could easily fit in somewhere else on the wiki.Turiannerevarine 18:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. Perhaps some of the content that is not speculative in nature should be moved to and merged with the Cardolan and Barrow-downs articles.--Tolkienator (talk) 19:22, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I disagree. It is a character from Appendix A with a legacy that reaches to Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin. In my opinion this wkiki's main priority is not questioning whether existing pages should be deleted, but that the quality of existing pages should be verified and improved. For example the Barrow-downs page needed improvement and contained errors. --Akhorahil (talk) 19:43, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Akhorahil. The wiki’s priority is to not only document all information related to J.R.R. Tolkien, but to convey that information in a way that is easily accessible. It is far easier to have all of this information about the last prince on this page rather than scattered throughout many pages.Dour1234 (talk) 13:30, 30 August 2022 (UTC)