Talk:Heren Istarion

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Latest comment: 19 November 2021 by LorenzoCB

This page has been merged with Wizards. Unsigned comment by Sadron (talk • contribs).

Hi. Merging articles does not mean copypasting an article into another. The info in Heren Istarion should be applied throughout the article of Wizards, explaining when pertinent about them being an organization. Also, the sections of an article are very important, and it was quite obvious your edit broke all the article structure. --LorenzoCB 21:39, 18 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think this article needs to exist in the first place, as the information here is either present on the Wizard page or the individual character pages. Turiannerevarine 21:48, 18 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was the one who put the "Merge" template in the first time. I just say things must be done properly. --LorenzoCB 21:59, 18 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fair. It definitely was not merged right. I just don't see any reason to keep it around longer.Turiannerevarine 22:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If we make the redirect right away we will forget to rework the Wizards article from the organization perspective, as well as the etymology for Heren Istarion and else. I'm the first one who wants things done already, but it is hard to choose what we do with our time. --LorenzoCB 22:15, 18 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree than merging ≠ redirect. I also believe that the Wizards and their order are not the same concept, and there is no need to merge the two. Of course the article shouldn't repeat the same information over and over. If this article remains without being merged, it should contain only any "organizational" and etymological information we can get from the texts; which won't be a lot, to be honest. Edit: Could there be Wizards outside the Order? Was Saruman expelled from the Order for example? Sage 15:43, 19 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think it is better to merge, there is no difference between the Wizards and their organization: "Heren Istarion" is just the extended name for "Istari", which means the same as "Wizards". There were no wizards outside the order, and I don't think they were so organized to tell who was in or out (specially if Saruman was the leader). Just give me time, I'd wish to revise the Wizards article properly, it deserves better. --LorenzoCB 19:05, 19 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I completed the merge by putting the information from this page onto various places on the wizards page. Dour1234, 30 January 2022 (UTC)