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Talk:Easterlings

Where do we get the information in the "Third Age Easterlings" section from? That goes by the movie, not the book. Besides, there are no scources on this page. Carter938

I think we could use some of the information from Frodo's vision on Amon Hen where he sees Easterling armies composed of "swordsmen, spearmen, bowmen upon horses, chariots of cheiftains and laden wains" etc. This actually gives us info on what kinds of weapons and troops some Easterlings used (infantry wielding swords and spears, mounted archers, charioteers). Unsigned comment by [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]]).

[edit] Inspiration

I think the information currently given here (that the Easterlings were inspired by the people of central and East Asia) isn't supported by the text, and might be influenced by movie imagery. It seems more likely that they were inspired by Slavic, Hunnic, and Turkic peoples, the peoples living east of the lands settled by Germanic-speaking peoples in the Migration Period. This can probably be supported by the text; Vinitharia's name for example, = 'Wend-fighter'; comparing the descriptions of the Balchoth and Wainriders to descriptions of invaders from the East of Germanic lands. Librán-Moreno's paper 'Byzantium, New Rome!' could probably supply some secondary support for anyone willing to take it on.Unsigned comment by 198.161.230.12 (talk).

Thanks for pointing out this section: as it stands now, it contains no references and seems to be speculation. I'll remove it. Feel free to write a new section if you find scholarly and/or primary sources to support any inspiration behind the concept of Easterlings.--Morgan 18:26, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Merge?

I think it would be more productive to merge both easterling pages into one page... it would be easier for the reader to look at one page and gather information about the same people because the easterling of the first age are the same ones of the second age and beyond, more specifically the ones that appear in the LOTR series. WHat do you think?--TolkienFan 22:31, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

The Easterlings of the First Age were all dead at war, so they are not the same people. They might be related and have the same origin, but there is no explicit explanation about that, so we can't be sure. I even say both pages should be easier to differentiate from each other. --LorenzoCB 02:08, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
+1 LCB. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:31, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
+1 with the note that there are indications the FA Easterlings were not wiped out (Fonstad suggests they are the same, Moehn suggests they joined the Haradrim) Sage 05:24, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Fonstad isn't a primary source though (and does get some things wrong)? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:28, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Here's a quote from the "AKALLABÊTH":

"And after the victory of the Lords of the West those of the evil Men who were not destroyed fled back into the east, where many of their race were still wandering in the unharvested lands, wild and lawless, refusing alike the summons of the Valar and of Morgoth. And the evil Men came among them, and cast over them a shadow of fear, and they took them for kings." --Kulid123 17:12, 25 May 2020 (UTC)