https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sage&feed=atom&action=historyUser talk:Sage - Revision history2024-03-29T05:47:39ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.3https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sage&diff=380723&oldid=prevHyarion: /* Rhovanion */ new section2023-09-26T13:53:14Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Rhovanion: </span> new section</span></p>
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</table>Hyarionhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sage&diff=380034&oldid=prevSage: /* About Giants */2023-09-10T11:29:33Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">About Giants</span></span></p>
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</table>Sagehttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sage&diff=380032&oldid=prevIvarTheBoneless: /* About Giants */2023-09-10T11:00:22Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">About Giants</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So, unless you're suggesting that Bilbo straight up invented Gandalf's interaction with a 'more or less friendly giant' (which could've and would've <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">beeen </del>easily refuted by Gandalf in 80 years of his friendship with Bilbo), I simply have to disagree with your decision to revert my edit.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So, unless you're suggesting that Bilbo straight up invented Gandalf's interaction with a 'more or less friendly giant' (which could've and would've <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">been </ins>easily refuted by Gandalf in 80 years of his friendship with Bilbo), I simply have to disagree with your decision to revert my edit.</div></td></tr>
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</table>IvarTheBonelesshttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sage&diff=380031&oldid=prevIvarTheBoneless at 10:59, 10 September 20232023-09-10T10:59:34Z<p></p>
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</table>IvarTheBonelesshttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sage&diff=371353&oldid=prev172.70.179.14: /* Free Fair */2023-04-04T16:34:25Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Free Fair</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
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</table>172.70.179.14https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sage&diff=371352&oldid=prev172.70.131.126: /* Free Fair */ new section2023-04-04T16:28:58Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Free Fair: </span> new section</span></p>
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I think I recall that you said that you based your edits on the Umbar page on Andreas Möhn's article The third Realm in Exile, which also included incorrect information that was not supported by sources written by J.R.R. Tolkien. Like the Umbar page, where I am not finished with cleaning it up, I intend to clean up the Pre-Númenoreans page and probably later move it to a better name, because the page is not about all peoples that were in Middle-earth or in its west before the coming of the Númenoreans back to the west of Middle-earth in the Second Age, but seems to be about the people that were the kin of the Folk of Haleth (i.e. Proto-Dunlendings or Proto-Haladin). I already started to edit the Minhiriath page and will also edit the Endedwaith, Dunland and Dunlendings page and other pages that are connected with the history of the Proto-Haladin and their descendants. The references in the articles on Middle-earth by Andreas Möhn are very short and either only point to a book or at maximum to a chapter or to entire parts of appendices of The Lord of the Rings (e.g. Appendix A, Appendix B, Appendix E) at a maximum without using any sub-sections of chapters, footnotes or pagenumbers. In my opinion the articles by Andreas Möhn simply compile quotes from the different sources and make speculations without disclosing them as speculations and made additions without disclosing on what those additions are based and without explaining that some sources are either earlier versions of material that was later published during J.R.R. Tolkien's lifetime in a different version or late manuscripts that were not published during J.R.R. Tolkien's lifetime. I advise to exercise great caution when using them as sources. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 14:22, 22 March 2022 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When I looked at the history of the edits on the Pre-Númenoreans page, I noticed that the page was created by you. It seems that you used information from Lalaith (i.e. Andreas Möhn)'s article The Indigenious Population of Eriador and Gondor and their Relationships to the Númenóreans and their Allies. I obtained the impression that you did not double-check the statements made by Andreas Möhn in the article by reading the sources that were written by J.R.R. Tolkien that are cited as sources by Andreas Möhn in that article. In my opinion, the articles by Andreas Möhn are not a reliable source and the claims that are made in them should always be double-cecked. I think I recall that you said that you based your edits on the Umbar page on Andreas Möhn's article The third Realm in Exile, which also included incorrect information that was not supported by sources written by J.R.R. Tolkien. Like the Umbar page, where I am not finished with cleaning it up, I intend to clean up the Pre-Númenoreans page and probably later move it to a better name, because the page is not about all peoples that were in Middle-earth or in its west before the coming of the Númenoreans back to the west of Middle-earth in the Second Age, but seems to be about the people that were the kin of the Folk of Haleth (i.e. Proto-Dunlendings or Proto-Haladin). I already started to edit the Minhiriath page and will also edit the Endedwaith, Dunland and Dunlendings page and other pages that are connected with the history of the Proto-Haladin and their descendants. The references in the articles on Middle-earth by Andreas Möhn are very short and either only point to a book or at maximum to a chapter or to entire parts of appendices of The Lord of the Rings (e.g. Appendix A, Appendix B, Appendix E) at a maximum without using any sub-sections of chapters, footnotes or pagenumbers. In my opinion the articles by Andreas Möhn simply compile quotes from the different sources and make speculations without disclosing them as speculations and made additions without disclosing on what those additions are based and without explaining that some sources are either earlier versions of material that was later published during J.R.R. Tolkien's lifetime in a different version or late manuscripts that were not published during J.R.R. Tolkien's lifetime. I advise to exercise great caution when using them as sources. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 14:22, 22 March 2022 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">When I looked at the history of the edits on the Pre-Númenoreans page, I noticed that the page was created by you. It seems that you used information from Lalaith (i.e. Andreas Möhn)'s article The Indigenious Population of Eriador and Gondor and their Relationships to the Númenóreans and their Allies. I obtained the impression that you did not double-check the statements made by Andreas Möhn in the article by reading the sources that were written by J.R.R. Tolkien that are cited as sources by Andreas Möhn in that article. In my opinion, the articles by Andreas Möhn are not a reliable source and the claims that are made in them should always be double-cecked. I think I recall that you said that you based your edits on the Umbar page on Andreas Möhn's article The third Realm in Exile, which also included incorrect information that was not supported by sources written by J.R.R. Tolkien. Like the Umbar page, where I am not finished with cleaning it up, I intend to clean up the Pre-Númenoreans page and probably later move it to a better name, because the page is not about all peoples that were in Middle-earth or in its west before the coming of the Númenoreans back to the west of Middle-earth in the Second Age, but seems to be about the people that were the kin of the Folk of Haleth (i.e. Proto-Dunlendings or Proto-Haladin). I already started to edit the Minhiriath page and will also edit the Endedwaith, Dunland and Dunlendings page and other pages that are connected with the history of the Proto-Haladin and their descendants. The references in the articles on Middle-earth by Andreas Möhn are very short and either only point to a book or at maximum to a chapter or to entire parts of appendices of The Lord of the Rings (e.g. Appendix A, Appendix B, Appendix E) at a maximum without using any sub-sections of chapters, footnotes or pagenumbers. In my opinion the articles by Andreas Möhn simply compile quotes from the different sources and make speculations without disclosing them as speculations and made additions without disclosing on what those additions are based and without explaining that some sources are either earlier versions of material that was later published during J.R.R. Tolkien's lifetime in a different version or late manuscripts that were not published during J.R.R. Tolkien's lifetime. I advise to exercise great caution when using them as sources. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 14:22, 22 March 2022 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Akhorahilhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sage&diff=339902&oldid=prevMith: /* Userboxes */ new section2021-12-29T18:02:28Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Userboxes: </span> new section</span></p>
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