User talk:Sage

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Tale of Years

It's a known fact that the Tale of Years is full of mistakes, however, most of these were corrected in the 50th anniversary edition. That should be included as well. -- Ederchil 04:54, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Standards

We should really include this in the welcome message, but just FYI: Tolkien Gateway:Standards. This is in reference to your use of "LotR" in Gildor Inglorion. -- Ederchil 05:39, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Elves

What published works say that elves are taller?

Ælfwine228 20:58, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

from the Appendices:

• the People of the Great Journey, the People of the Stars. They were tall, fair of skin and grey-eyed

Since the writer of the Appendices is a Man, and his readers are also Men, why would he describe the Eldar as tall and not as short?

Some characters, both Elves and Men are mentioned to be tall, and I understand these can be understood as 'relativistic'; for example you can say that the Eldar were tall relative to the other Elves, but still shorter than Men (although this explanation is quite tentative, and plausible only if you want to prove that Elves were shorter). I skimmed through the Silmarillion and saw that while the people of Marach are said to be tall, and while other men described as tall such as Galdor the Tall, most references were about Elves.

• Ingwë the High King, golden-haired and tall
• The seven sons of Fëanáro were Maedhros the tall...
• their sister was Ar-feiniel the White. She was younger in the years of the Eldar than her brothers; and when she was grown to full stature and beauty she was tall and strong
• [Thingol] tallest of all the Children of Ilúvatar
• But Eöl, though stooped by his smithwork, was no Dwarf, but a tall Elf of a high kin of the Teleri
• [Maeglin] was tall and black-haired; his eyes were dark

I don't argue that the assumption that more Elves than Men tended to be tall, can be proben by a statistical analysis. However if Elves are shorter, why Thingol was to be the tallest of all Elves and Men, and not some Man? Sage 05:56, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, Tolkien stated that elves and men were at first "of a like size" (that is probably the best description in the whole legendarium for their size difference) in the BOLT2. If this is true, whether they became smaller in later ages or not, Thingol could easily be the tallest of all the Children of Iluvatar, but that doesn't mean that most elves were taller than men. Also, more elves are described as tall in the Silmarillion than men because the Silmarillion was almost all about elves, and the very few central character men that were in it were often described as tall, such as Tuor and Turin, as were many men of later ages, especially of Numenorian decent.

While the elves may not be shorter than men in general, I do not think it can be said with certainty that they are taller. By the way, can we make a real talk page/forum for this? Ælfwine228 17:48, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

I am new here, I don't know the process so be my guest. But as a last note, I also remember in BOLT 1 that Elves are shorter, and I was shocked. Furthermore, I think I also read a comment that this idea was later dropped. Anyway I hope you are aware that the BOLT books take place in a different 'continuity' and shouldn't be considered as guides for the general canon. Sage 17:51, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Perhaps they shouldn't be considered canon, but from Tolkien's Legendarium; Essays on The History of Middle-earth; "...there are Tolkien's latest thoughts, his best thoughts, and his published thoughts and these are not necessarily the same." That is probably the wisest analysis that I have ever read about the world of Middle earth. Ælfwine228 18:31, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Amras

Hi and welcome to TG (I never "officially" got to greet you). Amras now. I know it is not much what you wrote, but please don't do it again in the future when you see that "claimed" tag. I am asking this of you as nice as I can and I can only hope that you'll understand it. I know you saw a mistake and wanted to correct it, but keep in mind that all the Sons will get rewritten by me to the last word in those articles, so all the errors will be fixed. It is just a matter of time. There are over 7000 articles here. I'm sure there's plenty of work for all of us. All the best! :) ~~ Þelma 05:24, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes I know you are asking it nicely (I am not of those hot-tempered people who frown at each scolding :P) and I understand. But last time I asked I was told its usage was mainly to avoid edit conflicts and loss of data, therefore it's not always that bad to edit minimally those articles in the meantime (of course there is a problem with larger edits). So my edit was to make sure that you wouldn't miss that mistake and leave it there intact. Anyway I won't do this again (at least with your claimed articles :)). I trust you will do a good work. Namarie :) Sage 06:41, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

My bad for that. I voiced my personal opinion. Like I said, guidelines are too grey. -- Ederchil 06:58, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Sage - It's a good thing at least one of us isn't from that kind of hot-tempered people :)) If you won't agree with something I'll write in future articles (for various reasons, like better knowledge of the text), feel free to drop me a message and corrections will be made, promise. Ederchil - There's no such thing as "my bad" here. :) Thank you both for understanding. ~~ Þelma 13:52, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Dwarf names

A couple of things... there are several etymological theories about the Dwarf-names in the Dvergatal. Therefore, I think it's important to state the source of the translation, and add others as well. Also, place Etymolgies above Genealogies, and use double ", not '. -- Ederchil 03:49, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Right away Sage 04:50, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

And maybe it's handy to mention the language as well, re: Arkenstone. -- Ederchil 10:20, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Meetings

Hi Sage! I just wanted to draw your attention to here. We are currently discussing the idea of a weekly site meeting. Thanks!-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  18:11, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Individual Tengwar

Since you're listing the Westron names, you should really mention Report from Marquette by Jim Allan among the references. Even if you haven't read it. -- Ederchil 05:07, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

References

Hiya. Just a note: <ref> tags don't work unless you include a <references/> section at the end (or rather, a <small><references></small> section). -- Ederchil ^{(Talk/Contribs/Edits)} 08:02, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Template:HM

Any thoughts? Other than "Expand to include LotR, S, H and UT" and "Add chapters"? -- Ederchil ^{(Talk/Contribs/Edits)} 12:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Next Meeting

It is planned that we hold our next meeting on the 5^th of April 2009, please inform us if you can attend here.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  18:40, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Geia!

Geia sou kai esena! dystyxws den to exw to allo vivlio tou Tsouli alla to xw diavasei... o typos einai kamenos.

Xairomai pou kai alloi ellhnares diavazoun Tolkien kai grafoun so Tolkien Gateway. Kai se eixa dei polles fores sto Recent changes kai den hxera oti eisai ellhnas... nomizw pws sou eixa grapsei ena talk page se kapoio athro sta agglika... mthomas 15:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Next Meeting

Sorry to clutter up your talk page, but just informing you about the next meeting. It is planned that we hold our next meeting on Monday the 13^th of April 2009, please inform us if you can attend here. Remember that it's on Easter Monday, not Easter Sunday. Thanks!-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  13:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Xristos Anesth

Xristos Anesth re patriwth! xronia polla!mthomas 08:14, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Multiple language words

Just a question how to deal with words that exist in multiple languages - Tur, Tûr, Aran for example. What layout do we use? -- Ederchil ^{(Talk/Contribs/Edits)} 11:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Orcs

Exw dei edw kai kairo oti psaxnete gia contributors stin selida twn Orcs. Loipon, ama psaxnete akomh endiaferomai egw na voithisw giati ta goustarw poly ta Orcs. Oti idees exeis pes mou. mthomas 14:48, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Tengwar

A lot of the tengwar pages require specific fonts, and people that don't have those fonts installed get gibberish. How about a template at the top, saying "for optimal reading, this page requires any of the following fonts"? -- Ederchil ^{(Talk/Contribs/Edits)} 18:47, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

CE "3"

I see you use the 3 to represent the yogh/ʒ. If you look at the edittools bar ("Insert:") at the bottom, you can see the actual symbol next to the dagger symbol. -- Ederchil ^{(Talk/Contribs/Edits)} 11:28, 20 September 2009 (UTC)