Talk:Dale (Kingdom)

Merge?

Should this page and the other Dale page be merged? I feel like it'll serve a better purpose as being 1 page with all the information in one page. Besides, the location is always refeered to as being just "Dale" and never the "Kingdom of Dale". The only difference is that earlier they were ruled by the "Lord of Dale" and later the "King of Dale". What do y'all think?--Kulid123 18:05, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

I have to admit I am inclined to agree. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits)

That's good. I'll get right to it.--Kulid123 19:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, let's see if anyone else has a contrary opinion first. There's no rush. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh damn, I already did it. If you wanna undo it go ahead. My bad. Only saw this after.--Kulid123 21:23, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

The way I see it, I don't think it should be merged because both articles have different purposes as it says in the disambiguation on the top one talks about the city and one talks about the political entity. I see it like Venice and Republic of Venice if that makes sense. Gaetano 00:46, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Right...but the thing is, it never existed as a kingdom; its rulers merely ruled over one political entity with two different titles. Besides, the histories of both articles were anyways identical. It is reduntant to keep both. All the political history is anyways included on that article. Also, the cultural history should be in the article for the "Men of Dale". Just a thought.--Kulid123 03:44, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

If the entities are different, I would support two different articles, but cleaned up so that they don't repeat the same information. But I always thought that the post-Bard Dale was a kingdom that included a wider area (including the town proper) ruled by a King, not a Lord. PS. I agree that the culture section belongs to the Men of Dale article. Sage 09:55, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

The article already acknowledges that it didn't exist as a kingdom in the time of Girion, it refers it as township. I also agree with your last point. Gaetano 13:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Would a move to the page "Dale (Kingdom)" solve this problem without having to merge the two pages together? Also, due to the limited information on the "King of Dale" page, would it be suitable to merge the info to this page? Thoughts on this?--Tengwar 13:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I support renaming it to "Dale (Kingdom)" but merging the King of Dale info to this page is redundant considering it is a title used for more than one person. The renaming would solve both problems.--Tolkienator 17:18, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that they should be merged as Dale is referred to here only the town but the Kingdom of Dale extended far south and east of Lake-town, all the way to the River Carnen.--Shivam 08:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)