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[edit] Welcome!

Hello Lorenzo Carrera, and welcome to Tolkien Gateway! I hope you like the place and choose to join our work. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and we look forward to your future edits. By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~~~. Four tildes (~~~~) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the Council forums or ask me on my talk page. Keep up the great work!

-- Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:43, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

[edit] Hello!

Thanks for your recent contributions, LorenzoCB! When you write at talk pages, please make sure to sign your posts with --~~~~, which will automatically show a link to your user name and date/time when writing the post.

--Morgan 22:15, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

[edit] Middle-earτh Shadow of War

Hello. Can you upload at least one image related to the videogame Middle-earth Shadow of War?I don't have the ability to upload images on Tolkien Gateway but you do have this ability.

Hi! I recommend you to make your own account, then you can write all the article about Middle-earth: Shadow of War, as it is almost empty and you seem to be very interested on it. When you get 50 editions you'll be able to upload images. Now please, stop spamming about that. I won't do it, I personally don't like those games.--LorenzoCB 14:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello. I would like to upload an image on page Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor but I can't upload images on Tolkien Gateway. Can you upload this image that I have uploaded on the specific page.

There you have it :) You need 50 edits to upload images, btw. Hope you can get them improving the game articles. --LorenzoCB 22:11, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

[edit] Dagor Dagorath

Hi LorenzoCB, great job on your rewriting of the Dagor Dagorath article! Also, thank you for the kind corrections of my woeful ignorance of early names for characters in the Legendarium. Oops. :) --Holdwine Meriadoc (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:26, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

It was just a detail. Thank you for correcting my English, I couldn't imagine I made so many grammatical mistakes! --LorenzoCB 23:03, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
Your English is a lot better than my Spanish :) And I'm just picky when it comes to grammar! --Holdwine Meriadoc (Talk/Contribs/Edits)

[edit] Help

Can you help me fix what I have done on page Isildur because I don't know what to do.

I didn't see many problems. I fixed the style. Btw, I added the cover of Shadows of War. Last time I confused the games and uploaded the one for Shadows of Mordor :P Remember to sign when you write in a talkpage. --LorenzoCB 17:09, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

[edit] Image categories

Hi there. I don't know if you've noticed but there has been a convention (which isn't fully realised but increasingly I have slowly implemented) that for image categories the order has been 1) Artist 2) Where it's from 3) what/who it is depicting and these should be listed in alphabetical order (see File:Alan Lee - The Elvenking's Gate.jpg as an example). If you could keep this in mind when changing or adding categories that would be appreciated. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:36, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for explaining that. I was trying to include the categories in alphabetical order, as I didn't relize there was a formal style for that. I'll do as you say. --LorenzoCB 11:53, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Sure, although this one and this one weren't in alphabetical order. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

[edit] Webcite

Hi. Just a note to remind you that, as per the usage information on Template:Webcite, the "accessed" field is not optional; you should use this to show the date you accessed the page. Thanks! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:08, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

As the date showed up authomatically I wasn't including it the last times, but now I see that it was just some kind of preview. Thanks for pointing it out. --LorenzoCB 12:19, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

[edit] Lost Tales

Hi Lorenzo, I appreciate much your work on expanding the pages on HoMe.

Sometimes I have been thinking if we should dedicate some virtual "space" of this wiki for the Lost Tales continuity, I mean we already have LT-related articles like Gruir, Gilfanon, Noldoli, Inglor and so on. However for topics that are covered in published canon, we use the "Other version of the Legendarium" section, see for example Tol_Eressea#Other_versions_of_the_Legendarium or Mandos#Other_versions_of_the_Legendarium. But I believe there is much more that deserves to be told about the LT topics. So I had the thought about creating alternate pages dedicated to the "alternate" versions of those topics, something like Tol Eressea (Lost Tales). Perhaps we should also include them in categories like "Lost Tales characters" or "Lost Tales locations" and even have some template on the top of each article that notifies we are talking about the "Lost Tales continuity", instead of the generic one about Tolkien's early, unfinished and best thoughts. So we can have a fully functional sub-wiki within the wiki covering the LT topics in a clean way. Similar to how Wookieepedia handles the Canon and the Legends articles.

These are my first thoughts, and I'd like to know your thoughts, before opening a forum topic. Sage 23:44, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sage! Actually, I hate templates on the top of articles (because of how they look), but yours seems a good idea. It could help to clean the sections of OVOTL, that sometimes are a messy hotchpotch. However, I would wait until we have completed at least all the chapter summaries. The LT are a difficult topic, as there is not really a continuity (for example, I personally think that Christopher should have published the Part Two first), so I think it would be better to have a good base before clasifying things. And yes, I have planned to make those summaries at some point, don't know when.
Happy new year. --LorenzoCB 00:28, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello again. Please have a look at the article Chasm of Ilmen and tell me if we can identify which is the particular earlier (1931) and later (1951) Silmarillion CT says about. Obviously he refers to the Quenta Noldorinwa and the Later Quenta? Or perhaps one of them is the Quenta of the Lost Road? I am not very comfortable with the versions and the dates. Sage 17:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello. It took me a while to find the page, you should try to include them more often (if you have the book on hand, of course). Yes, "the 'Silmarillion' that followed Q" (1937) is the Quenta Silmarillion (Lost Road) (he cites LR p.242), while the text used in the 77's Silmarillion is Annals of Aman §177 (1951). --LorenzoCB 19:06, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for fixing my error on Christopher’s death date, LorenzoCB! I originally did have it as 16 January, but then I saw it as 15 January and thought it was an incorrect time conversion on my part. Whoops! — Holdwine Meriadoc (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 23:15, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Don't worry. That error has been giving problems in Wikipedia, as many newspapers were giving it mistakenly, and seems like the own Tolkien Family asked to some Tolkien Societies to clarify it.--LorenzoCB 10:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

[edit] Foaloke

The foaloke is a type of dragon distinct from the Uruloke, it shouldn't be discussed in the same article. I think all relevant information should be contained in its distinct article. Sage 17:26, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Foa was changed to mean "breath", but it doesn't specify if it is because a foaloke "breathes fire" (being then an uruloke), which is the most obvious deduction, as a dragon that just breathes has nothing in particular. However, I agree with having a separated article, but you should make it starting from foa as "breath", not "hoard". In OVOTL could be included the description of Glorund as a foaloke. --LorenzoCB 19:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

[edit] Sauron

Firstly, I am not explaining Sauron's origins, but why he fell. Introductions should never be blunt. The sections expand the content of briefly presented in the introduction.

Secondly, the quote I put is from The Silmarillion - Valaquenta: Of the Enemies. Take a look if you will, I believe it is the last sentence in the paragraph concerning Sauron. --LordoftheEarth 12:51, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah, as you removed all my edit, I didn't see you later put the quote that there was in the first place. If you want to help the wiki, there are many things that need to be improved: Tolkien Gateway:To-do. But the Sauron article is one of the few that are pretty fine, that's why I'm concerned with it.--LorenzoCB 12:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry if I myself am not that receptive or even annoying at times ... I'm having a bad time ... broke up with a girl and all that ... Let's leave the Sauron article as it is for now. I added on the talk page that I changed the image so if someone thinks it doesn't work then we'll change it. I'll try to help out on other articles as well, of course. I appreciate your dedication to the wiki! A nice time till next time! --LordoftheEarth 13:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for being harsh when I point out the mistakes in your Talkpage. I get nervous when people make many edits for just one article, but I should have been more polite. --LorenzoCB 16:11, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I would like to point out that I disagree with the choices of the new pics. However I would like to say that some of the recent edits were legit and shouldn't be reverted. When a user makes a lot of edits and another user doesn't agree with stylistic mistakes, they shouldn't revert all the edits, but rather fix the particular points. Sage 17:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

[edit] Melkor's Messenger

I edited out Sauron and Ungoliant of the Servants of Melkor category, the reasons why are faily logical. Leaving these aside, does it say anyway if Melkor's messenger, Langon, in the Book of Lost Tales is an Ainu? I saw he is mentioned as such in the Allies and Servants of Morgoth section and I don't remember J.R.R. saying anything on Langon's nature. This is all I found on this emissary: "Melko heard him and was in doubt, he would not come, but sent Langon his servant..."--LordoftheEarth 12:34, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

I disagree with removing that category from Sauron. He was his servant for a whole age. He can also have the category of 'Evil' because he later became independent, but he was a true servant, it doesn't matter if he forsook Morgoth; unlike Ungoliant, who was never under Morgoth's command. I fixed the info of Langon, thanks for pointing that out. But there are better things than caring for the categories.--LorenzoCB 13:49, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

[edit] Lost Tales

Can you give me an example about that Gnomes category? For example, we should add this to the articles about Feanor and Beren ? Sage 18:41, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

I mean for those characters that didn't have a development beyond the "Gnome" phase, like Gilfanon, Littleheart... If in the future we make articles for Beren the Gnome and others, that category would be applied. But now those examples are categorized as "Noldor", anachronically. (You can answer me in your talkpage, btw). --LorenzoCB 19:37, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

[edit] Oropher

Please have a look at Talk:Oropher. There is a passage that has been overlooked. I think the page about Oropher itself, as well as topics about the Elves of Lindon, the Sindar etc have some mistakes concerning their migrations. Sage 10:46, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Answered, I hope I helped. Do you take care of the matter? --LorenzoCB 13:39, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

[edit] Eduardo Segura

Hey why did you remove the information and link from the article without an explanation?

And why do you plan leaving here? That was lathspel. Sage 18:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Eduardo did work as a consultant for the movies, but he told me he had no impact, so it was not pertinent to include that info. He also asked me to remove that link, as he lost his web domain. Sorry, I should have indicated that, but as I am the only one involved with that article I didn't bother.
I'm leaving because the wiki requires time, and I want to focus more on other projects and on my spiritual life. Also, I feel many things are gonna change soon and I don't think I'll be able to edit. But I'm still around here, I want to finish some things before. --LorenzoCB 19:00, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

[edit] Image of Tevildo

I was just wondering, where did you get that image (I know it's from "Beren and Lúthien", but where, specifically, did you find it on the internet)?

Also, where did you find the title of the image? --IvarTheBoneless

I found it on the internet, yes, Pinterest or something. I just searched one with a good quality and then I removed the frame following the policy of the wiki. Usually the images of Alan Lee have the title of the chapter from where they come, but there is no rule about that, so I put a more pertinent title. Are you sure we need a gallery for Beren and Lúthien? That imples uploading all its images... --LorenzoCB 12:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Well, I'm planning to upload the entirety of Alan Lee's artwork from both "Beren and Lúthien" as well as those from "The Fall of Gondolin", yet I'm not sure on what should the appropriate title for those images should be.
For example, take a look at this image from "Beren and Lúthien". In the list of plates from the aforementioned book, this particular image is named "Surely that is a Silmaril that shines now in the West?". --IvarTheBoneless
Oh, if the images are titled in the book, then we should use those titles. I'll change the title of the one with Tevildo when I can check my book. --LorenzoCB 15:11, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar on your user page

The past tense for the verb to teach in the third paragraph of your user page is wrong. You should write "Tolkien tought me ...". To teach is a verb with an irregular past tense. The past tense of teach is tought. I am not going to write anything in spanish here, but you are welcome to correct my spanish if I ever write anything in spanish. I picked up some spanish by listening to people and by reading the Diario de Cadiz during vacations in Spain (I have to admit that I had latin at school and french at school and at university, so I had some basis in roman languages to start from). My native language is german. I once read an article about books owned by J.R.R. Tolkien and was amazed to see that most of the books o that list were written in german. --Akhorahil 20:19, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Much appreciated! You can freely edit my Userpage if you want correct any grammar mistake. I'm searching now about it and the past tense of teach is actually taught: seems that tought is a common mistake, but thanks again for pointing out mine. About Tolkien's German books, Philology had had a strong development in Germany some time before Tolkien began college, so it was imperative for him to have those. --LorenzoCB 20:47, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
You are correct. The past tense of the verb teach is taught. Taught is one of the few words in english that end with aught. More words end with ought and are pronounced in the same way as words ending with aught. --Akhorahil 13:45, 4 October 2020 (UTC)