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"Dor Caranthir" by Matěj Čadil
General Information
Other namesTalath Rhúnen, Dor Caranthir
LocationEast Beleriand, north of Ossiriand and east of the Gelion
People and History
InhabitantsHaladin, Noldor
EventsBattle of the Gelion-Ascar Stockade, Dagor Bragollach
GalleryImages of Thargelion

Thargelion, earlier known as Talath Rhúnen[1] and later known as Dor Caranthir, was a flat wooded region of East Beleriand, east of the river Gelion, bordering the Blue Mountains. It was north of the river Ascar, and therefore not counted as part of Ossiriand. Its northern end was Lake Helevorn.[2]

[edit] History

The Sindar called this land Talath Rhúnen. After the Rebellion of the Noldor this was the land of Caranthir, one of the Sons of Fëanor, and after him it was often called Dor Caranthir, "Caranthir's Land". There Caranthir met the Dwarves of the Blue Mountains.[1]

The Haladin briefly dwelt here independently, near the river Ascar, until they were nearly wiped out in an Orc-raid. Caranthir offered to their leader, Haleth, part of his land, but she refused and instead she led her people to Brethil.[3]

During the Dagor Bragollach, Orcs broke the defenses of Maglor's Gap, defiled Helevorn, and ravaged all Thargelion. Caranthir fled to the south.[4]

Caranthir later gave some of his former lands to Uldor.[5]

[edit] Etymology

Thargelion is a Sindarin name, consisting of thar- ("across, over") and Gelion.[6]

Talath Rhúnen is glossed as "East Vale".[1][7]

Region of Dor Caranthir
Greater Gelion, March of Maedhros, Himring Maglor's Gap.
Lake Helevorn, Mount Rerir,
Ered Luin
River Gelion, Estolad.
East Beleriand
WindRose3.pngEred Luin.
River Gelion,
Sarn Athrad
River Ascar.
Mount Dolmed


  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Quenta Silmarillion: Of Beleriand and its Realms"
  2. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Map of Beleriand and the Lands to the North"
  3. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Quenta Silmarillion: Of the Coming of Men into the West"
  4. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Quenta Silmarillion: Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin"
  5. The Second 'Silmarillion' Map
  6. J.R.R. Tolkien, "Words, Phrases and Passages in Various Tongues in The Lord of the Rings", in Parma Eldalamberon XVII (edited by Christopher Gilson), p. 34
  7. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Appendix: Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names"