Talk:The One Ring

Rewrite

I'm having some trouble with the current, one-sided view of Kjaerulff in the Symbolism part. Can't we put the view of Tolkien first, and only then other people's views? -- Ederchil ^{(Talk/Contribs/Edits)} 21:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

The Inscription- the films DIDN'T change this!

I'm sitting here with the recent edition of The Fellowship of the Ring sitting in front of me- the one that was released in conjunction with the film triloy- and contrary to the article as it stands, the Ring's inscription DOES appear both on the interior and exterior curves.

Here's the passage verbatim, emphasis mine: "As Frodo did so, he now saw fine lines, finer than the finest pen-strokes, running along the ring, outside and inside: lines of fire that seemed to form the letters of a flowing script." -"The Shadow of the Past", page 49 (at least in the copy I have before me).

So... in the interest of accuracy, could I change this? The films aren't running contrary to the books, at least according to THIS edition... so having that in the Portrayal in Adaptations section sort of irks me. Dinosaur bob 19:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello Bob. Nice quote! I quickly read the article, but I couldn't find anywhere it explicitly says that the inscription would only be inside the ring (though I might have missed the passage). On the other hand, the article only says that the inscription turn up "on the ring", so using the info from your quote would improve the article, IMHO. My suggestion would be to cite the passage from The Shadow of the Past just below the heading of the section "Appearance" (starting "[Frodo] now saw fine lines, ...").

As this is a core article, we should perhaps await some opinions from others. --Morgan 19:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Ederchil fast as usual! ;-) What do you think about using the quote, Ederchil? --Morgan 19:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

See the part where it says "requires some clean up"? Like you say, it's a high profile page, but the quality is below standards. So, anything with a source is better than what we have now. Maybe we can make this our next collaboration, because Tuor is a bit down on love lately. -- Ederchil ^{(Talk/Contribs/Edits)} 19:32, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, Without reading all this discussion I came in and rewrote a sentence which had ended "inside the rim." I did this (as someone else said more than 6 years ago) in the interests of accuracy. All my other small changes were to help with the flow of the text and make it easier to read. I made this account immediately afterwards as I thought editing anonymously might be frowned upon. Mvoorhis 02:47, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Rephrasing

The statement "Hobbits, being more pure of heart than Men and far less powerful than Elves" is pretty much racist. It depends on the individual hobbit/man/elf. E.g. Frodo is pure of heart, Pippin is a neer-do-well (but I like him) and one also got to know rather decadent hobbits (e.g. drunkards in the Green Dragon Inn). Rangers of the North and of Ithilien and many Gondor citizens are definitely more pure of heart than certain hobbits and almost as much as elves and may be more powerful such as Boromir. One should rephrase that statement. 172.68.50.65 08:51, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

“The”

Why is the article title “The One Ring” and not “One Ring?” The other Rings from the ring verse have titles such as “Three Rings,” “Seven Rings,” “Ring of Thror,” and “Nine Rings. Dour1234, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I was wondering about this myself, actually. Should this article be moved to One Ring, without the use of "the" as defined in the naming policy here? --Grace18 02:59, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, “The” is exclusive to names of books and stuff. Beside, “One Ring” would fit in with the other ring pages. Also, the “Ring inscription” page should maybe be merged into a subsection of this page as the inscription is an aspect of the one ring. Dour1234, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

This is clearly an exception, just like the Shire. "One Ring" sounds lame. If this wasn't changed already by previous admins, I don't see it being changed now. End of discussion. There should be a Ring-inscription section here, and that article be moved to "The Ring Verse" and improved with references. --LorenzoCB 09:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Fair point. Thanks LorenzoCB! --Grace18 16:37, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

How should the “Ring-inscription” section from the “Ring Verse” article be merged here? Also, the naming policy does not mention anything about exceptions. Though I personally believe that this article should just be “One Ring” even if it is lame and “The Shire” should be just “Shire,” I think that if we continue to keep this page and “The Shire” as exceptions, the policy should have guidelines as to when things can be exceptional other than names of books and writings. If the only reason why this page and “The Shire” page are exceptions is because they would be lame otherwise, I can think of a list of articles that sound lame currently without “The.” Also, while I agree the “The One Ring” and “The Shire” sounds a whole lot better than “One Ring and “Shire,” believing something is lame or not lame is very subjective. Someone else besides us might believe that “The One Ring” sounds lame compared to “One Ring” or that “The Shire” sounds lame compared to “Shire.” My own personal belief is that everything sounds better when a “The” is put in front of it. However, there should be at least some guidelines regarding what would make articles like these two be exceptional to the rule besides they would be lame without “The.” Dour1234, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not explaining what an exception is. Also, I asked you to leave the talkpages for important matters. If you wanna talk so much, go to the Discord server. And do not edit articles just for adding and removing spaces, go read a book or something! About the these articles, I think I'll do it myself, as I changed my mind: they should be three separated articles rather than two. --LorenzoCB 10:58, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

"...understanding of tongues, or simply understanding..."

So in the final chapter of The Two Towers, Sam is able to understand the Orcs of Minas Morgul and Cirith Ungol while in possession of/wearing the One Ring. He speculates that it is this possession that enables him to do so. Do we think there's any real basis for this, thus making it worth a mention on the article? Or are we to conclude that Sam was unaware that a lot of Sauron's Orcs spoke Westron because the tongues of different tribes were unintelligible to one another? Aeglos (talk) 02:23, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I think it is worth including but with the explanation that it was possible the Orcs may have been speaking Westron Aragorn II (talk) 02:27, 11 January 2024 (UTC)