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[edit] Bearer

I think we should define a 'ring-bearer' as someone who actually wore the ring. This would see Déagol removed from the list.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  10:42, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Actually having held the Ring is sufficient enough. Otherwise, Sam would be excluded from this list as well.--BalrogTrainer 05:35, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Sam wore the Ring for a day - he got into Cirith Ungol by wearing the Ring. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:43, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
+1-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Gimli

Gimli did not try to destroy the Ring in the book. Notwithstanding that, it would not make it worthy of this list. Do not add Gimli to this article again. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:43, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

By this logic, shouldn't Boromir also be removed? He merely held the chain to which it was attached. Plus, I don't think he did it in the book anyway.--BalrogTrainer 05:35, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:42, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
+1 Smog 12:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Portrayal in adaptions (done)

In my eyes, Gandalf should not be listed as a Ring-bearer, because he only touched the ring with a forceps, that means Boromir and Gimli shall also become listed although Boromir rather touched the ring by its chain only (see also a comment above) and Gimli touched it with his axe, it might get ridiculous. So either we make up a new paragraph "portrayal in adaptions" where Boromir and Gimli are listed (like this, it would be similar to the german Ardapedia), or we delete Gandalf from the list. --TarElessar 06:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

TarElessar, Tolkien Gateway is about Tolkien's works, not the films. Even if you remember details from the films, they don't necessarily follow the books. Here it is the books that are treated like absolute truth. When you are adding something to the wiki, you must check it in the books first, unless you are sure you remember right that you read it in them. In the first film Gandalf never touched the Ring, but this doesn't matter at all, as in the book he did hold the Ring: "He unfastened it and handed it slowly to the wizard. It felt suddenly very heavy, as if either it or Frodo himself was in some way reluctant for Gandalf to touch it. Gandalf held it up. It looked to be made of pure and solid gold." It is clear that Gandalf is one of the very few individuals who ever touched the Ring, even if it was for a few moments. In the book, Gandalf does not have terriying visions when approaching his fingers to the Ring, as happens in the film. It doesn't matter if he did otherwise in the films or some video game. Sage 06:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Ah, alright. But you shall check the films first, before you say something wrong like Gandalf never touched the ring in any film. As I already have written, Gandalf touches the ring in the first one with a forceps. But that's not necessary for the page anymore. --TarElessar 07:00, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Gandalf didn't touch the Ring, he used the throng (as he did in the book btw) to give it to Frodo from the fireplace. Boromir didn't touch it either, he held the chain that was holding it. Gimli also hit it with his axe. These instances are hardly the act of physically touching something. Sage 08:53, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't we remove Gandalf from the list then? --TarElessar 09:09, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
No, the above paragraph was about the characters you claim touched the Ring in the film, and they didn't because getting in contact with something llike this, is not touching. In the book Gandalf DID touch the Ring as Frodo gave it to him ("He unfastened it and handed it slowly to the wizard. It felt suddenly very heavy, as if either it or Frodo himself was in some way reluctant for Gandalf to touch it. Gandalf held it up. It looked to be made of pure and solid gold.") and then he took it with a throng, as in the film. Sage 09:14, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Okay. You said before that Gandalf did it as in the book, you must have meant "as he did not in the book". Good, this section can be closed. --TarElessar 10:48, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
In both the book and the film, Gandalf took the Ring from the fireplace with the throngs, but in the book he had held the Ring in his hand before throwing it into the fireplace, whereas in the film the Ring was inside an envelope, which Gandalf threw into the fireplace, without ever touching the Ring itself. It seems that the filmmakers consciously made sure that Gandalf should not ever touch the Ring, which is not the case in the book, as Gandalf fearlessly touches it when Frodo hands it to him (and there is no envelope). The matter is closed, but I just wanted to make sure that my English makes sense. Sage 11:29, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh, now I know. Thank you. --TarElessar 13:51, 2 September 2014 (UTC)