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Downs of Rohan and Éomer aiding King Aragorn in the South
I appreciate your interest in Tolkien Gateway and and your ambition to improve the articles on Tolkien Gateway. Why did you only add a fact template after the Downs in the Rohan article? I have access to an e-book of The Lord of the Rings and it was very easy to find the downs (of Rohan) in the index and to find all instances where the words downs is used in the chapters of The Two Towers. Why did you write "such as the Haradrim" in case of the enemies? The entry about King Éomer Appendix B II The House of Eorl - The Kings of the Mark - The Third Line only mentions that the King of the West had many enemies to subdue and that the thunder of the cavalry of the Mark was heard on the far fields of the South. It does not mention where in the south and against which ethnic group the cavarly of Rohan fought and if this ethnic group were Haradrim. There could be other ethnic groups in the south, such as Black Númenoreans (e.g. the Mouth of Sauron at the end of the War of the Ring) or Dúnedain (i.e. former Gondorian rebels from the Kin-strife, Westron was spoken in Umbar and along the coast according to the appendix on Languages at the End of the Third Age) in the south. It is a speculation that King Éomer fought against Haradrim in the Fourth Age. In my opinion, speculations should always be phrased in a way that makes it clear that they are only a speculation and that discloses on which references the speculation is based. --Akhorahil 09:31, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Admittidely I was wrong about the Haradrim. However, the downs in the article are redlinked, which makes it looks like, (at least in my mind), they are referring to a specific place in Rohan called "The Downs" (like the Barrow-downs). I am unaware of a place in Rohan specifically called that, and even when I looked in the Two Towers I only see refernces to them as a terrain feature and not a landmark a region is named for.Turiannerevarine 12:13, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
- No problem. You are right that the downs are merely a terrain feature that is mentioned in the narrative and in the Index, but they are not mentioned as the Downs with a capital "D" and are not drawn at all on the Map of Rohan, Gondor and Mordor and not drawn on the General Map of Middle-earth. However they are in one of J.R.R. Tolkien's maps in the website of the Tolkien Estate. They are not the name of a region, but they and the East Wall of Rohan, which is mentioned in the narrative and which has its own article on Tolkien Gateway could be mentioned as part of the geography of Rohan. One could make a short page about the downs of Rohan with their approximate position and the action taking place there --Akhorahil 15:39, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I might try my hand at making such an article soon. I'll try to be more careful about speculation and such things in the future. Turiannerevarine 18:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)