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:::This is a wiki. As a wiki the content is dictated by individual users who, of their own free will, decide what content should be included. There is no commissioning editor here who decrees what should be included on a page; this means that if no one wants to do it then it doesn't get done. I never wanted to edit the list of games by Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, so I never did it. It was not a deliberate or malevolent decision; I decide what I want to edit, not what I don't.
:::This is a wiki. As a wiki the content is dictated by individual users who, of their own free will, decide what content should be included. There is no commissioning editor here who decrees what should be included on a page; this means that if no one wants to do it then it doesn't get done. I never wanted to edit the list of games by Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, so I never did it. It was not a deliberate or malevolent decision; I decide what I want to edit, not what I don't.
:::As for the titled of the games, as you can see [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/a-journey-through-middle/gjgkjeheegjnnmheaflhdocglkiegoni?hl=en here] and [http://orcattack.thehobbit.com/ here] they do not exist in the title you edited. They were undoubtedly released for the release of those films but they do not have those titles. However, if you have an issue with a specific article please include that on the talk page of the respective article.
:::As for the titles of the games, as you can see [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/a-journey-through-middle/gjgkjeheegjnnmheaflhdocglkiegoni?hl=en here] and [http://orcattack.thehobbit.com/ here] they do not exist in the titles you edited. They were undoubtedly released for the release of those films but they do not have those titles. However, if you have an issue with a specific article please include that on the talk page of the respective article.
:::Do ''you'' understand everything that I have said? If you do not, I am sorry to say that your English is insufficient for this website. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:26, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Do ''you'' understand everything that I have said? If you do not, I am sorry to say that your English is insufficient for this website. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:26, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


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:::::::You need to register in order to create articles. You did not ask me to create pages, you asked me whether those pages should exist; as I said before, I have little interest in those articles so I won't be creating those articles.
:::::::You need to register in order to create articles. You did not ask me to create pages, you asked me whether those pages should exist; as I said before, I have little interest in those articles so I won't be creating those articles.


:::::::Also, please put "<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>" at the end of your posts, and not "<nowiki>{{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}</nowiki>". --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:30, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Also, please put "<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>" at the end of your posts, and not "<nowiki>{{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}</nowiki>". --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:30, 10 January 2017 (UTC)


== Question ==
== Question ==
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I've noticed that you've been editing my contributions to make them align with British English, including in short articles like [[Orocarni]] where there was no established English variation before my contributions. I'm used to editing Wikipedia and following its WP:ENGVAR guideline. Does Tolkien Gateway have a custom of writing all of its content in British English? (I have not seen any policy page here that addresses this issue.) If so, I don't mind writing my content in British English so you don't have to clean up my work (to the best of my ability, anyway--I speak American English and am not aware of all the differences between the two variations). I would also suggest Tolkien Gateway create a policy page to codify this custom explicitly, and perhaps inform new editors of this rule more politely than issuing them commands in edit summaries. [[User:Protospace|Protospace]] 20:16, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
I've noticed that you've been editing my contributions to make them align with British English, including in short articles like [[Orocarni]] where there was no established English variation before my contributions. I'm used to editing Wikipedia and following its WP:ENGVAR guideline. Does Tolkien Gateway have a custom of writing all of its content in British English? (I have not seen any policy page here that addresses this issue.) If so, I don't mind writing my content in British English so you don't have to clean up my work (to the best of my ability, anyway--I speak American English and am not aware of all the differences between the two variations). I would also suggest Tolkien Gateway create a policy page to codify this custom explicitly, and perhaps inform new editors of this rule more politely than issuing them commands in edit summaries. [[User:Protospace|Protospace]] 20:16, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


:We are fairly light on written down policies, and that's kind of been our preference for years; we tend to work by convention (and we used to have a series of community meetings to decide issues), and as we are a small band of editors we've never really had to write much down. I appreciate that this is a little opaque and I have had an ambition for some years to write down all of the things.
:We are fairly light on written-down policies, and that's kind of been our preference for years; we tend to work by convention (and we used to have a series of community meetings to decide issues), and as we are a small band of editors we've never really had to write much down. I appreciate that this is a little opaque and I have had an ambition for some years to write down all of the things.
:On TG we do indeed have a custom of British English. Currently, we have a mish-mash of British and American English so the editors agreed a couple of years ago that British English would be preferred as that was the language of Tolkien (which, in fact, does follow the ENGVAR guidance on national ties: we just apply it to the whole wiki). We aren't militant about weeding out the American spellings, but we kind of correct them as we go along.
:On TG we do indeed have a custom of British English. Currently, we have a mish-mash of British and American English so the editors agreed a couple of years ago that British English would be preferred as that was the language of Tolkien (which, in fact, does follow the ENGVAR guidance on national ties: we just apply it to the whole wiki). We aren't militant about weeding out the American spellings, but we kind of correct them as we go along.
:On [[Dark Land]], what irritated me was your removal of my hyphen when I had clearly added it in deliberately. Apologies for being short. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 07:08, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
:On [[Dark Land]], what irritated me was your removal of my hyphen when I had clearly added it in deliberately. Apologies for being short. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 07:08, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
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In [[Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style#Tense]], it says that in-world articles should all be in the past tense. However, all of the chapter summaries for ''The Lord of the Rings'' are in present tense (Example: [[A Long-expected Party]]). Is this a specific exception, or should these summaries be in past tense? [[User:Neithan|Neithan]] 03:49, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
In [[Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style#Tense]], it says that in-world articles should all be in the past tense. However, all of the chapter summaries for ''The Lord of the Rings'' are in present tense (Example: [[A Long-expected Party]]). Is this a specific exception, or should these summaries be in past tense? [[User:Neithan|Neithan]] 03:49, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


:I think they're an exception because they aren't in-world. They out written from the perspective of a summary of the chapters. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:25, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
:I think they're an exception because they aren't in-world. They are written from the perspective of a summary of the chapters. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:25, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


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== Adding new copyright permissions ==
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Hi Mith. I'm a big fan of the artist Sebastian Rodriguez (here's an example of his [https://tsrodriguez.deviantart.com/art/Dark-Lore-of-LOTR-Into-the-Storm-597163223 work]). I spoke with him directly and he would love to feature his artwork here. What is the process for formal copyright permission? Thanks. --[[User:Ebakunin|ebakunin]] 23:11, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi Mith. I'm a big fan of the artist Sebastian Rodriguez (here's an example of his [https://tsrodriguez.deviantart.com/art/Dark-Lore-of-LOTR-Into-the-Storm-597163223 work]). I spoke with him directly and he would love to feature his artwork here. What is the process for formal copyright permission? Thanks. --[[User:Ebakunin|ebakunin]] 23:11, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
:So, assuming you have clear and written permission from the artist, you need to make sure you save that (precautionary, in case of future challenge), as well as confirmation of the name the artist would like to be credited under and the web address they use. You then just create [[:Category:Evidence of permission granted by copyright holders|one of these pages]] and the [[:Category:Images by artist|accompanying image category]], and you're good to go. Don't forget to add copyright template to any images you upload. Thanks for checking! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:50, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
::Should the screenshot of the artist's permission be uploaded to Tolkien Gateway? --[[User:Ebakunin|ebakunin]] 18:09, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
:::Nope. That's not necessary. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:38, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

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I would like to be discussed something generally.Read here. Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

I am aware of the discussion, so you don't have to prompt me to read the discussion. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:42, 4 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
All these games that I added on Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment do exist.Why didn't you put these games on this page earlier? Before me no-one else had ever said about these games on Tolkien Gateway. You could have mentioned these games earlier on Tolkien Gateway, but you didn't.Why? Also, these games do exist in this title that I have just edited. You can search for it on Internet. You couild create pages about these games on Tolkien Gateway. Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).
I saw that only two of these games are mentioned in Tolkien Gateway, on page The Hobbit (film series) in Content Games and merchandise.That is good but these games need their own pages on Tolkien Gateway and more references to these games in Tolkien Gateway. Do you understand what I am saying? Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).
This is a wiki. As a wiki the content is dictated by individual users who, of their own free will, decide what content should be included. There is no commissioning editor here who decrees what should be included on a page; this means that if no one wants to do it then it doesn't get done. I never wanted to edit the list of games by Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, so I never did it. It was not a deliberate or malevolent decision; I decide what I want to edit, not what I don't.
As for the titles of the games, as you can see here and here they do not exist in the titles you edited. They were undoubtedly released for the release of those films but they do not have those titles. However, if you have an issue with a specific article please include that on the talk page of the respective article.
Do you understand everything that I have said? If you do not, I am sorry to say that your English is insufficient for this website. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:26, 9 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK. I understand about the titles of these games.But these games are considered to be The Hobbit film Trilogy tie-in video games. Furthemore, these games set in the world of Middle-earth and playable characters are characters from the books of Tokien about Middle-earth.On Tolkien Gateway exist pages about games that are based on The Lord of the Rings film trilogy, such us The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (video game) and The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (video game).The same thing could be done for The Hobbit film Trilogy tie-in video games.That is why I think these pages about these games have to be created on Tolkien Gateway.Don't you think? Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).
I have just explained to you that there is no conscious decision not to create those articles. If you want to create those articles, create those articles. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:26, 9 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But I don't have the ability to create articles or upload images on Tolkien Gateway generally.In fact I don't even have the ability to create a whatever page on Tolkien Gateway, but you do have this ability.That is why I am asking it from you. Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).
By the way,yes I am Greek.I am from Athens.Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).
You need to register in order to create articles. You did not ask me to create pages, you asked me whether those pages should exist; as I said before, I have little interest in those articles so I won't be creating those articles.
Also, please put "--~~~~" at the end of your posts, and not "{{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}". --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:30, 10 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Question

How many edits do i need to make to become autoconfirmed?--LordAndSaviourSauron 17:24, 27 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User talk:Morgan#A question. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:04, 27 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Anonymous user

Hello Mith, it was me, just without login. Sorry! Sirielle 19:02, 1 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Don't worry about it! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:47, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

English variations

I've noticed that you've been editing my contributions to make them align with British English, including in short articles like Orocarni where there was no established English variation before my contributions. I'm used to editing Wikipedia and following its WP:ENGVAR guideline. Does Tolkien Gateway have a custom of writing all of its content in British English? (I have not seen any policy page here that addresses this issue.) If so, I don't mind writing my content in British English so you don't have to clean up my work (to the best of my ability, anyway--I speak American English and am not aware of all the differences between the two variations). I would also suggest Tolkien Gateway create a policy page to codify this custom explicitly, and perhaps inform new editors of this rule more politely than issuing them commands in edit summaries. Protospace 20:16, 14 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We are fairly light on written-down policies, and that's kind of been our preference for years; we tend to work by convention (and we used to have a series of community meetings to decide issues), and as we are a small band of editors we've never really had to write much down. I appreciate that this is a little opaque and I have had an ambition for some years to write down all of the things.
On TG we do indeed have a custom of British English. Currently, we have a mish-mash of British and American English so the editors agreed a couple of years ago that British English would be preferred as that was the language of Tolkien (which, in fact, does follow the ENGVAR guidance on national ties: we just apply it to the whole wiki). We aren't militant about weeding out the American spellings, but we kind of correct them as we go along.
On Dark Land, what irritated me was your removal of my hyphen when I had clearly added it in deliberately. Apologies for being short. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:08, 15 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for clarifying. I hadn't thoroughly looked at the edit history of Dark Land before I removed the hyphen, and I ignorantly assumed it was a typo. I will endeavor to contribute in British English from here on out (and I agree that it makes sense as a wiki-wide rule, even under ENGVAR. Since it's an establish custom, I took the liberty of adding a brief note about the preference for British English in the Manual of Style (see Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style#Language), assuming it a non-controversial addition; but I don't want to step on any toes, and feel free to revert or change as necessary. Protospace 05:34, 18 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's absolutely fine - thank you. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:24, 24 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Grinnah

In response to your revent of my edit on grinnah's page, i think the info was something that the creators of the movies made as backstory for the character, but i guess i need a better reference for that--LordAndSaviourSauron 16:29, 17 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And another thing: i tagged the warg matriarch page as unfinished, since it still needs sources, and an image. Unsigned comment by LordAndSaviourSauron (talk • contribs).
Yes - solid references are a requirement. I would suggest as a potential source the Chronicles books from the films. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:26, 24 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tense to use?

In Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style#Tense, it says that in-world articles should all be in the past tense. However, all of the chapter summaries for The Lord of the Rings are in present tense (Example: A Long-expected Party). Is this a specific exception, or should these summaries be in past tense? Neithan 03:49, 3 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think they're an exception because they aren't in-world. They are written from the perspective of a summary of the chapters. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:25, 3 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can only admins rename pages?

If so, I need some help deleting one page and renaming another. [[A Fan's Guide to New-Sindarin]] and [[A Fan's Guide to Neo-Sindarin.]] both have formatting issues in their titles that resulted from my use of a tablet and not paying close enough attention to auto-correct issues. They are the same article, I was just trying to deal with mistakes made in the naming of the page. Thanks for the assistance, sorry for the mess. Corsair Caruso 18:29, 17 July 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Any registered user can rename a page, you do this by clicking on "move". In a sense, you "move" the article to its new title. Hope this helps! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:35, 21 July 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for fixing the berserker pic

i already tried to remove the frame myself, but it always uploaded the original thing--LordAndSaviourSauron 20:58, 19 August 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Adding new copyright permissions

Hi Mith. I'm a big fan of the artist Sebastian Rodriguez (here's an example of his work). I spoke with him directly and he would love to feature his artwork here. What is the process for formal copyright permission? Thanks. --ebakunin 23:11, 19 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So, assuming you have clear and written permission from the artist, you need to make sure you save that (precautionary, in case of future challenge), as well as confirmation of the name the artist would like to be credited under and the web address they use. You then just create one of these pages and the accompanying image category, and you're good to go. Don't forget to add copyright template to any images you upload. Thanks for checking! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 09:50, 21 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Should the screenshot of the artist's permission be uploaded to Tolkien Gateway? --ebakunin 18:09, 21 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nope. That's not necessary. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:38, 27 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]