Umbar: Revision history

25 November 2023

• curprev 15:0415:04, 25 November 2023‎ Sullathron talk contribs‎ m 26,302 bytes 0‎ →‎Portrayal in adaptations undo
• curprev 15:0415:04, 25 November 2023‎ Sullathron talk contribs‎ m 26,302 bytes +55‎ →‎Portrayal in adaptations undo
• curprev 14:3614:36, 25 November 2023‎ Sullathron talk contribs‎ 26,247 bytes +885‎ added adaptations section for LOTRO undo Tag: Visual edit: Switched

13 July 2023

• curprev 16:2516:25, 13 July 2023‎ LorenzoCB talk contribs‎ 25,362 bytes −276‎ Inlined citations and added images. I guess I'm not obstructing anything despite this being claimed undo

2 February 2023

• curprev 14:3514:35, 2 February 2023‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 25,638 bytes +81‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Added more information from footnote 9 of Cirion and Eorl and the Friendship of Gondor and Rohan undo

25 December 2022

• curprev 07:2407:24, 25 December 2022‎ 172.71.146.41 talk‎ 25,557 bytes −1‎ Spelling correction: "Argagorn" -> "Aragorn" undo

24 August 2022

• curprev 14:3014:30, 24 August 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 25,558 bytes +1,391‎ Added information about the possible climate and vegetation from The Atlas of Middle-earth; added that Bergond, who defeated the Corsairs was the son of Steward Beren undo
• curprev 13:4013:40, 24 August 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 24,167 bytes +324‎ Added references undo
• curprev 13:0113:01, 24 August 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ m 23,843 bytes +1‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: added a missing comma undo
• curprev 12:5912:59, 24 August 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,842 bytes −1‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Corrected a broken reference undo
• curprev 12:5412:54, 24 August 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,843 bytes +9‎ →‎Language: Added a page number to a refrence undo
• curprev 12:5112:51, 24 August 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,834 bytes +41‎ →‎Etymology: Made small changes and added page numbers undo
• curprev 11:0211:02, 24 August 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,793 bytes +25‎ →‎War of the Ring: Added page numbers to references undo
• curprev 10:5010:50, 24 August 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,768 bytes +42‎ Added page numbers to references to LOTR and named and reused a reference; removed speculative content from Andreas Möhn (Lalaith/Codex Regius) undo
• curprev 09:5009:50, 24 August 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,726 bytes +108‎ →‎Haradrim rule: Added based on which statements the year TA 2980 has been determined as the year when Thorongil attacked Umbar undo
• curprev 09:4109:41, 24 August 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,618 bytes +951‎ →‎Haradrim rule: Made corrections and added page numbers undo
• curprev 09:0809:08, 24 August 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 22,667 bytes −39‎ Reused an existing named reference undo
• curprev 09:0409:04, 24 August 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 22,706 bytes +154‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Made corrections and added page numbers undo
• curprev 08:2208:22, 24 August 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 22,552 bytes +445‎ →‎Umbar as part of Gondor: Made small corrections and added page numbers undo

16 July 2022

• curprev 14:2214:22, 16 July 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 22,107 bytes +197‎ →‎Politics and rule: Added information from J.R.R. Tolkien's Unfinished index undo

7 May 2022

• curprev 16:4716:47, 7 May 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 21,910 bytes −1,349‎ →‎Other versions of the legendarium: Deleted the description of what is on the General Map of Middle-earth and on The First Map of The Lord of the Rings, because people can look on those maps through links on Tolkien Gateway undo

30 March 2022

• curprev 09:4609:46, 30 March 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,259 bytes +5‎ →‎Geography: Added a reference for the statement that Umbar was the nearest of the southern realms, changed "southern realms" to realms "of the Harad", because the Kingdoms of the Harad are mentioned before "the nearest of their realms" undo
• curprev 09:3809:38, 30 March 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ m 23,254 bytes −1‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Deleted an unnecessary blank space and moved a reference from before a comma after the comma undo
• curprev 09:3009:30, 30 March 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,255 bytes +25‎ →‎War of the Ring undo
• curprev 08:4308:43, 30 March 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,230 bytes −46‎ →‎Politics and rule: The footnote is about the Black Númenóreans in general not just about the ones in Umbar and it said that "their race swiftly dwindled or or became merged with the Men of Middle-earth"; Pre-Numenoreans are Proto-Haladin undo
• curprev 08:1908:19, 30 March 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,276 bytes +20‎ →‎Politics and rule: Added a reference to the statement that Angamaitë and Sangahyando were the leaders of the Corsairs of Umbar in T.A. 1634 undo
• curprev 08:1708:17, 30 March 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ m 23,256 bytes +9‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Added links to the Angamaitë and Sangahyando pages undo
• curprev 08:1408:14, 30 March 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,247 bytes +13‎ →‎Umbar as part of Gondor: Added that the civil war between the supporters of Eldacar and Castamir was called the Kin-strife undo
• curprev 08:1008:10, 30 March 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ m 23,234 bytes 0‎ →‎Umbar as part of Gondor: Added a link to the Pelargir page in the first instance where Pelargir was mentioned instead of in the second instance undo
• curprev 08:0408:04, 30 March 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,234 bytes +113‎ →‎Politics and rule: J.R.R. Tolkien only wrote that Herumor and Fuinur "rose to power among the Haradrim" and that Angamaitë and Sangahyando were "leaders of the Corsairs of Umbar" undo

6 February 2022

• curprev 11:3811:38, 6 February 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,121 bytes +2‎ Added information about the description of its geographic location from Tolkien's Unfinished Index cited in A Readers Companion undo

24 January 2022

• curprev 16:3316:33, 24 January 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,119 bytes +33‎ →‎War of the Ring: Added links to pages undo
• curprev 11:2511:25, 24 January 2022‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 23,086 bytes +24‎ →‎Foundation and Númenórean Rule: Added the year when Tar-Ciryatan took the sceptre and made some small changes. Will make more changes later undo

14 November 2021

• curprev 00:2800:28, 14 November 2021‎ 162.158.111.38 talk‎ 23,062 bytes +296‎ →‎Foundation and Númenórean Rule: Misinterpretation of the linked article in Unfinished Tales. It does not say that the southern colonies were absorbed by natives. It merely argues why Gandalf likely did not venture there. undo

7 November 2021

• curprev 12:1112:11, 7 November 2021‎ 162.158.202.177 talk‎ 22,766 bytes +63‎ →‎Umbar as part of Gondor: fixed mixups of Valacar and Eldacar undo

31 October 2021

• curprev 15:3415:34, 31 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 22,703 bytes +295‎ Added information about Umbar itself, I intend to add more including a footnote that explains based on which statements it was probably also the name of a city undo

28 October 2021

• curprev 17:3017:30, 28 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 22,408 bytes +637‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Added information from POME that the father of Minardil (i.e. Vinyarion Hyarmendacil II in POME) had crushed not only Harad, but also Umbar, added information about the raid by Angamaitë and Sangahyando with references undo

24 October 2021

• curprev 16:0916:09, 24 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 21,771 bytes +559‎ →‎Foundation and Númenórean Rule: Added information about Ciryatan voyaging south and about the rule of Tar-Ciryatan and Tar-Atanamir over the men of the coasts. undo
• curprev 15:3115:31, 24 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 21,212 bytes +31‎ →‎Foundation and Númenórean Rule: Added the year 1800 of the Second Age in Appendix B as a reference undo
• curprev 15:1315:13, 24 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 21,181 bytes +403‎ →‎Foundation and Númenórean Rule: Added that the fortification of Umbar was during the reign of Tar-Ancalimon undo
• curprev 14:5114:51, 24 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 20,778 bytes +144‎ →‎Foundation and Númenórean Rule: Added information when the Númenóreans began to establish dominions along the coasts, because this is an indication of the beginning of a Númenórean settlement in Umbar undo
• curprev 14:2614:26, 24 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ m 20,634 bytes +9‎ →‎Umbar as part of Gondor: Added a link to the Ciryandil page and a link to the Hyarmendacil/Ciryaher page, fixed a link to the Eldacar page undo
• curprev 14:1914:19, 24 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 20,625 bytes +762‎ →‎Umbar as part of Gondor: Added information about the Kin-strife, about why the Kin-strife started, that the people of Umbar supported the rebel Castamir and that Castamirs sons fled to Pelargir undo
• curprev 13:0513:05, 24 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 19,863 bytes −25‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Deleted the information that Mindardil was the son of Eldacar. undo
• curprev 12:4812:48, 24 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 19,888 bytes +22‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Added information from Appendix A that Gondor remained at war with the Corsairs of Umbar "for many lives of men". It did not only include the battles in Appendix B undo
• curprev 12:3712:37, 24 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ m 19,866 bytes −1‎ →‎War of the Ring: Deleted a superfluous . undo
• curprev 12:3512:35, 24 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ m 19,867 bytes +15‎ Fixed a broken reference undo
• curprev 12:3112:31, 24 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 19,852 bytes −58‎ →‎Foundation and Númenórean Rule: Deleted speculative content undo
• curprev 12:0712:07, 24 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 19,910 bytes −268‎ →‎Foundation and Númenórean Rule: Deleted a speculation that Umbar was a "trading port" undo

16 October 2021

• curprev 12:1512:15, 16 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 20,178 bytes +260‎ →‎Foundation and Númenórean Rule: Inserted that Sauron heard that Aldarion sailed his ships "to haven far down into the Harad" undo
• curprev 12:0012:00, 16 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 19,918 bytes +363‎ →‎Foundation and Númenórean Rule: Inserted that it is possible that the bay of Umbar was discovered by Aldarion between SA 829 and SA 843 when he escaped shipwreck in the Harad (it is usual to flee from a storm into a bay or a river) undo

13 October 2021

• curprev 16:3516:35, 13 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 19,555 bytes +801‎ →‎War of the Ring: Added that folk of Umbar had sailed up the river Gilrain to Linhin and the battle against the main fleet of Umbar at Pelargir and the capture and sailing of the fleed to Minas Tirith with references undo
• curprev 15:5615:56, 13 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 18,754 bytes +248‎ Disclosed that it is only possible that king Elessar completely subdued Umbar, added references that support that possibility undo

12 October 2021

• curprev 20:5620:56, 12 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ m 18,506 bytes 0‎ Reordered events chronologically undo

11 October 2021

• curprev 15:0715:07, 11 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 18,506 bytes +24‎ →‎See also: Added a link to the Corsairs of Umbar page undo
• curprev 15:0615:06, 11 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 18,482 bytes +572‎ →‎External links: The first three articles contain an analysis about the ethnic composition of the population of Umbar over time and the other two deal with two common questions of readers undo
• curprev 14:2414:24, 11 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 17,910 bytes +1,021‎ →‎Umbar as part of Gondor: Deleted speculative or incorrect content and added references for king Eärnil, king Ciryandil and king Ciryaher undo
• curprev 09:5009:50, 11 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 16,889 bytes −184‎ →‎Haradrim rule: Deleted speculative content that was stated as a fact and that did not contain any references. Restricted it to fact and added a reference to The Heirs of Elendil that is not contradicted by Appendix A undo

10 October 2021

• curprev 17:0117:01, 10 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 17,073 bytes +41‎ I am working on it during the next few days, will also add info from The POME in OVOTL section undo
• curprev 16:1816:18, 10 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 17,032 bytes +478‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Delteted the reference to a manuscript of what would later become Appendix A, added a reference to appendix B and details about the flight to Umbar and its consequences, added possibility to take wifes and family with them undo
• curprev 15:4015:40, 10 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 16,554 bytes +112‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Changed the text about exiles suspected of treason to be more precise, because they were close relatives of the kings of Gondor undo
• curprev 15:2615:26, 10 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 16,442 bytes −98‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Deleted the claim that Umbar absorbed tributaries to Gondor in Harad, because that statement is not included neither in the manuscripts that would later become Appendix A in a changed form nor in Appendix A or B undo
• curprev 15:1315:13, 10 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 16,540 bytes +68‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Changed the information for King Hyarmendacil so that the year of the defeat of the Men of Harad can be seen undo
• curprev 15:0015:00, 10 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 16,472 bytes +45‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Deleted content concerning King Aldamir from earlier manuscript versions of what would later become Appendix A in a changed form, because such different content should be in the Other versions of the legendarium section. undo

9 October 2021

• curprev 15:4615:46, 9 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 16,427 bytes −45‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Added references for the killing of king Mindardil by the Corsairs and deleted contents from earlier versions of what would later become appendix A concerning Minardil and Telemnar undo

6 October 2021

• curprev 16:2716:27, 6 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 16,472 bytes +299‎ →‎Haradrim rule: Added more details about the attack by the Corsairs of Umbar on Gondor and Rohan in TA 2758 and added references undo
• curprev 16:0216:02, 6 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 16,173 bytes +219‎ →‎Haradrim rule: Appendix A does not say that the great white pillar was thrown down when Sauron declared himself openly in 2951, it only says that it was after the second arising of Sauron undo
• curprev 15:4715:47, 6 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 15,954 bytes +150‎ →‎Haradrim rule: Added the year and more details about the surprise attack of Aragorn against Umbar (four years before the death of the father of Denethor II according to Appendix A entry for steward Ecthelion II) undo
• curprev 15:1115:11, 6 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 15,804 bytes +145‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Added that Telumehtar drove out the Corsairs from Umbar in 1810 according to Appendix B and added a reference for the siege of Umbar during the reign of king Ciryaher undo
• curprev 14:5614:56, 6 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 15,659 bytes −198‎ →‎Haradrim rule: The destruction of the haven and stronghold of the Corsairs by Telumehtar and that it was later reoccupied and rebuilt was only mentioned in manuscript C, which was replaced by the final form of Appendix A I (iv)) undo
• curprev 14:4914:49, 6 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 15,857 bytes +1,504‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Added the information from Appendix A and UT for how long Gondor held Umbar and about the events during the life of Eärnil II relating to Harad and Umbar undo
• curprev 13:3613:36, 6 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ m 14,353 bytes +1‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: Added a missing "." undo
• curprev 13:3513:35, 6 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 14,352 bytes +84‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar: The destruction of the haven and stronghold of the Corsairs by Telumehtar and that it was later reoccupied and rebuilt was only mentioned in manuscript C, which was replaced by the final form of Appendix A I (iv) undo
• curprev 13:0113:01, 6 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ m 14,268 bytes +25‎ →‎Language: Appendix F does not say that Westron spread inland to the western Ephel Dúath, only that it spread inland as far as the Ephel Dúath undo
• curprev 12:4412:44, 6 October 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ m 14,243 bytes +29‎ →‎Etymology: provided a more precise reference for the source of the information about the origin of the name Umbar undo

12 September 2021

• curprev 06:4506:45, 12 September 2021‎ 108.162.245.231 talk‎ 14,214 bytes −14‎ →‎Haradrim rule: removed reference to Amrothos; 15th prince was unnamed & Amrothos lived centuries later undo

2 August 2021

• curprev 16:4916:49, 2 August 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ m 14,228 bytes +39‎ The bounds of the Common Speech as a native language in the course of time and at the time of the War of the Ring are covered in two paragraphs in both references undo
• curprev 16:3816:38, 2 August 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ m 14,189 bytes +35‎ Provided a more precise reference and corrected a reference undo

3 May 2021

• curprev 14:0914:09, 3 May 2021‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ m 14,154 bytes +39‎ No edit summary undo

26 February 2021

• curprev 15:3615:36, 26 February 2021‎ 141.101.68.19 talk‎ 14,115 bytes −115‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar undo

8 February 2021

• curprev 22:1822:18, 8 February 2021‎ LorenzoCB talk contribs‎ m 14,230 bytes −27‎ →‎Umbar as part of Gondor: Removed wrong link undo

31 December 2020

• curprev 13:0013:00, 31 December 2020‎ Mith talk contribs‎ m 14,257 bytes −628‎ →‎Other versions of the legendarium: I don't like this. Feels a lot of text when we could simply have an image here? This tells us nothing about Tolkien's process. It's just describing a map undo

29 December 2020

• curprev 14:1514:15, 29 December 2020‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 14,885 bytes +729‎ Clarified that the mouth of the river Harnen was in the same position as on the General Map of Middle-earth undo
• curprev 13:5713:57, 29 December 2020‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 14,156 bytes +1,186‎ Added a description of Umbar on the First Map of the Lord of the Rings in the Other versions of the legendarium section. undo

31 October 2020

• curprev 19:1219:12, 31 October 2020‎ Mith talk contribs‎ m 12,970 bytes −16‎ Tidied undo
• curprev 19:1019:10, 31 October 2020‎ Mith talk contribs‎ m 12,986 bytes −1,171‎ →‎Portrayal in adaptations: This tells me nothing undo
• curprev 16:1416:14, 31 October 2020‎ Sage talk contribs‎ 14,157 bytes +47‎ No edit summary undo
• curprev 14:4414:44, 31 October 2020‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 14,110 bytes +110‎ Explained that the Quenya word umbar means fate and provided a reference for that. undo
• curprev 14:3514:35, 31 October 2020‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 14,000 bytes +71‎ Deleted that Umbar is a "Mannish" name, because Appendix F does not say that it was a "Mannish" name, it only says that it was a name of forgotten origin. Moved the reference to Appendix F, because it says nothing about the Queny word Umbar (fate). undo
• curprev 13:1613:16, 31 October 2020‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 13,929 bytes +115‎ Deleted the entry on the language of Umbar, because it was speculative and not supported by references to the canon and replaced it with the Information from the beginning of Appendix F of LOTR undo

28 October 2020

• curprev 16:4216:42, 28 October 2020‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 13,814 bytes +270‎ Added the MERP module Pirates of Pelargir that takes place in the region of Umbar at the southern end of the mouth of the river Harnen undo
• curprev 16:3316:33, 28 October 2020‎ Akhorahil talk contribs‎ 13,544 bytes +957‎ Added Portrayales in adaptions undo

7 October 2020

• curprev 06:5406:54, 7 October 2020‎ Sage talk contribs‎ 12,587 bytes +96‎ →‎Haradrim rule undo

9 March 2020

• curprev 17:5617:56, 9 March 2020‎ Sage talk contribs‎ 12,491 bytes +48‎ →‎Corsairs of Umbar undo

3 March 2020

• curprev 23:0923:09, 3 March 2020‎ Sage talk contribs‎ 12,443 bytes +50‎ →‎History undo

28 February 2020

• curprev 10:1010:10, 28 February 2020‎ Sage talk contribs‎ m 12,393 bytes +1‎ No edit summary undo

2 February 2019

• curprev 08:5908:59, 2 February 2019‎ Sage talk contribs‎ 12,392 bytes +53‎ No edit summary undo

30 January 2019

• curprev 03:0403:04, 30 January 2019‎ Kulid123 talk contribs‎ m 12,339 bytes +20‎ No edit summary undo
• curprev 03:0203:02, 30 January 2019‎ Kulid123 talk contribs‎ m 12,319 bytes +91‎ No edit summary undo
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