Talk:Vëannë

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Latest comment: 24 October 2021 by BartekChom

I see that she was a little girl from the Cottage of Lost Play. Is it written somewhere that she was an elf? BartekChom 17:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Expansion is needed, but I was told by Mith not to add without checking and really, especially in this case, there is a big risk that I am retranslating from Polish wrongly (actually I am not sure that I am not misinterpreting the details), so I am proposing additions on the talk page:

Vëannë Melinir was an Elf of Tol Eressëa according to the early version of the legendarium in The Book of Lost Tales. She was a little girl living in the Cottage of Lost Play, being the teller of the Tale of Tinúviel.
She climbed on Eriol's knee when he sat tired after playing with children and asked him to recount about men and their children in Great Lands ("Did you have a garden like ours?"). After he told her about wars, she concluded that they are terrible. When Eriol asked the children to tell some tale they had heard instead, she volunteered to tell the Tale of Tinúviel.[1] She argued with Ausir, who suggested Elvish names Tinwë Linto and Wendelin instead of Gnomish Tinwelint and Gwendeling. She claimed that much earlier, when she was on the Path of Dreams, she saw Gwendeling and Tinúviel. She started the story describing Gwendeling. After she described the death of Beren, Eriol said that such a sad story heard from the mouth of a beautiful maiden calls for compassion. She wept and said that she does not remember what was later. Other children, including Ausir, helped her say that Beren (then a Gnome) and Luthien returned to life, but as mortals. Then Eriol said that he was not expecting such a story from little maidens of Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva. She answered that she learned it by heart from books but does not understand it fully.[2]
  1. after the first star
  2. after the subheader "The tale of Tinúviel"

She climbed on a knee, so she was really a little child. The form of her question makes me start to believe that she was an elf. BartekChom 21:25, 23 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Given the context and her knowledge, she was an Elf no doubt. BartekChom, I'll add and improve your addition, thanks. --LorenzoCB 09:49, 24 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you vary much. If you are convinced that she was an elf, I can agree. However I would like to ask whether you compared what I wrote with the book. I see that you have added page numbers, but I cannot believe that I retranslated the quote perfectly. I am sorry, probably I should not have written a quote that is a translation from Polish, at least not without a clear note. BartekChom 13:11, 24 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I didn't notice the quote. Fixed. Feel free to include info in the articles, we can correct it, but avoid direct quotes if you don't have the English book. --LorenzoCB 14:36, 24 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am sorry. Thank you very much again. I did not expect that Tolkien used thou - I was sure that the translator had to guess whether it was second person singular or plural. BartekChom 15:33, 24 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]