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I see that she was a little girl from the [[Cottage of Lost Play]]. Is it written somewhere that she was an elf? [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] 17:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC) | I see that she was a little girl from the [[Cottage of Lost Play]]. Is it written somewhere that she was an elf? [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] 17:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC) | ||
Expansion is needed, but I was told by [[User:Mith|Mith]] not to add without checking and really, especially in this case, there is a big risk that I am retranslating from Polish wrongly (actually I am not sure that I am not misinterpreting the details), so I am proposing additions on the talk page: | |||
:'''Vëannë Melinir''' was an [[Elf]] of [[Tol Eressëa]] according to the early version of the [[legendarium]] in ''[[The Book of Lost Tales]]''. She was a little girl living in the [[Cottage of Lost Play]], being the teller of the ''[[Tale of Tinúviel]]''. | |||
: She climbed on Eriol's knee when he sat tired after playing with children and asked him to recount about men and their children in Great Lands ("Did you have a garden like ours?"). After he told her about wars, she concluded that they are terrible. When Eriol asked the children to tell some tale they had heard instead, she volunteered to tell the Tale of Tinúviel.<ref>after the first star</ref> She argued with [[Ausir (boy)|Ausir]], who suggested [[Qenya|Elvish]] names ''[[Thingol|Tinwë Linto]]'' and ''[[Melian|Wendelin]]'' instead of [[Gnomish]] ''[[Thingol|Tinwelint]]'' and ''[[Melian|Gwendeling]]''. She claimed that much earlier, when she was on the Path of Dreams, she saw Gwendeling and [[Luthien|Tinúviel]]. She started the story describing Gwendeling. After she described the death of [[Beren]], Eriol said that such a sad story heard from the mouth of a beautiful maiden calls for compassion. She wept and said that she does not remember what was later. Other children, including Ausir, helped her say that Beren (then a Gnome) and Luthien returned to life, but as mortals. Then Eriol said that he was not expecting such a story from little maidens of [[Cottage of Lost Play|Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva]]. She answered that she learned it by heart from books but does not understand it fully.<ref>after the subheader "The tale of Tinúviel"</ref> | |||
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She climbed on a knee, so she was really a little child. The form of her question makes me start to believe that she was an elf. [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] 21:25, 23 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
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I see that she was a little girl from the Cottage of Lost Play. Is it written somewhere that she was an elf? BartekChom 17:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Expansion is needed, but I was told by Mith not to add without checking and really, especially in this case, there is a big risk that I am retranslating from Polish wrongly (actually I am not sure that I am not misinterpreting the details), so I am proposing additions on the talk page:
- Vëannë Melinir was an Elf of Tol Eressëa according to the early version of the legendarium in The Book of Lost Tales. She was a little girl living in the Cottage of Lost Play, being the teller of the Tale of Tinúviel.
- She climbed on Eriol's knee when he sat tired after playing with children and asked him to recount about men and their children in Great Lands ("Did you have a garden like ours?"). After he told her about wars, she concluded that they are terrible. When Eriol asked the children to tell some tale they had heard instead, she volunteered to tell the Tale of Tinúviel.[1] She argued with Ausir, who suggested Elvish names Tinwë Linto and Wendelin instead of Gnomish Tinwelint and Gwendeling. She claimed that much earlier, when she was on the Path of Dreams, she saw Gwendeling and Tinúviel. She started the story describing Gwendeling. After she described the death of Beren, Eriol said that such a sad story heard from the mouth of a beautiful maiden calls for compassion. She wept and said that she does not remember what was later. Other children, including Ausir, helped her say that Beren (then a Gnome) and Luthien returned to life, but as mortals. Then Eriol said that he was not expecting such a story from little maidens of Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva. She answered that she learned it by heart from books but does not understand it fully.[2]
She climbed on a knee, so she was really a little child. The form of her question makes me start to believe that she was an elf. BartekChom 21:25, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
