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I've linked Utter West to West, or should there be a seperate article for Utter West? --Earendilyon 05:32, 9 March 2006 (EST)

Utter West I believe is just another name for Aman. If it is used by J.R.R. Tolkien then we can link it directly to Utter West[former link], if not then we probably should have two Wests, one for West of Middle-earth and one for West of Arda or something, what do you think? --Hyarion 11:45, 9 March 2006 (EST)
Agreed on the Utter West referring to Aman, but so does The West, generally speaking. --Earendilyon 16:35, 9 March 2006 (EST)

I disagree with the first part of the following paragraph in the entry and I think it should be deleted. What do the rest of you think? --Ebakunin 15:53, 4 May 2006 (EDT)

By doing so, Sauron actually became more powerful than his master Morgoth at the end of the First Age, whose fëa ("soul" or "spirit"), while stronger, was dispersed into the matter of Arda. When Sauron put on the One Ring and tried to dominate the Elves, they resisted, and Sauron came upon them in the War of the Elves and Sauron and, if not for the intervention of Númenor, might have defeated them.
I agree with you Ebakunin, more powerful than Morgoth is a stretch as Sauron is simply a Maia while Morgoth is Vala. I'll look into it just to double check Tolkien never stated such a thing, but I think it would be safe to remove it. --Hyarion 18:18, 4 May 2006 (EDT)
Actually, I do recall having read something to that extend. Will have to look further into it, though. It's probably somewhere in the depths of HoMe. --Earendilyon 03:54, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

In the entry there's a comment on his title, the Nameless Enemy:

He is also called the Nameless Enemy, which is hardly accurate (but perhaps an effort to lessen his psychological impact), whereas Morgoth is the Dark Enemy.

Is Sauron only referred to as the Nameless Enemy during the Third Age, in the time before he had declared himself openly? The White Council knew there was a villian in Dol Guldur, but until 2850 they didn't know it was Sauron. If this was the time when the Nameless Enemy was used, it would make perfect sense. Any know more about use of the title? Thanks. --Ebakunin 16:28, 6 May 2006 (EDT)

Should we create a new article for Thû? I would like to have placed a note near the title concerning it, but there are so many names for Sauron as Tolkien's legendarium evolved... --Narfil Palùrfalas 20:44, 4 June 2006 (EDT)

Sounds good to me. --Hyarion 20:47, 4 June 2006 (EDT)


Balrog :-s

I remember reading somewhere a while ago that Sauron was a Balrog (or something associated with them) I kinda doubt this to be true but i would like to know if anybody else knows anything about this. Thanks. Jasca Ducato 15:12, 3 September 2006 (EDT)

Hm, maybe you read that they were both Maia (as was Gandalf) but Sauron was definitely not a Balrog nor even remotely close to being considered one. --Hyarion 15:23, 3 September 2006 (EDT)
  • Actually, i think it was that the Balrog was a Maiar. Jasca Ducato 15:57, 3 September 2006 (EDT)
Balrogs were lesser Maiar (by the way, Maia is the singular). Sauron was also a Maia, though of a more powerful order. --Narfil Palùrfalas 18:17, 3 September 2006 (EDT)

timo vihola picture for sauron

someone please upload that timo vihola picture for sauron into the images of sauron category?.

Great suggestion, you can now find the image in Category:Images of Sauron and
Category:Images by Timo Vihola[former link] --Hyarion 03:34, 26 November 2006 (EST)

Name edit

Hi! I just wanted to say that I added a bit of extra information regarding Saurons original name. Ârzan (Ârzan 03:53, 15 April 2008 (EDT))

Yeah, noticed it. I actually wanted to include that for some time, but forgot. Well, that's the purpose of a Wiki! Keep up the good work. -- Ederchil 04:55, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Quenya/Sindarin ambiguity

Cf. Talk:Tauron#Which language? --Morgan 13:59, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Removed information?

Morgan, why have you cleared the Appearances and Abilities section? --Reallyfat Trollion 09:02, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

The recent addition included a mix of Tolkien's writings and PJ's films. Furthermore, no sources were included.--Morgan 09:57, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Oh. Maybe you should tell the fellow who wrote it though.Unsigned comment by Reallyfat (talk • contribs).
It was an anonymous edit.--Morgan 10:35, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Can I try restoring the info, with sources and all, and removing the non-canonical stuff?
Sure, go ahead.--Morgan 10:55, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Ederchil, that edit had some useful information. Is it OK if I add sources to it and restore it? The guy did have a lot of good information.


I was bold and changed the article's profile picture. I am aware that a notification must be given when changing the main picture in important articles. I thought Tolkien's unfinished sketch did not do justice to this topic, and I think it was "tolerated" because it was Tolkien's. So I moved it down. Sage 05:16, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

I prefer Tolkien's sketch. ;) I don't mind you changing the featured image - the only thing I'd say is pick one we have permission to use.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  13:55, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


The human lords did not just suddenly turn, they slowly degraded over time. This was due to the slow degrading power of the rings that they were given. Also, the human rings were the weakest of all the rings made, which is kind of funny that they had the weakest rings yet were seduced by the power first

Sauron main image change

I thought the image made by Elena Kukanova was better than the one by Alais. We are never told how Sauron's face was like in any of his assumed guises. Having him almost masked leaves mystery of how did he look behind the veil. The golden colour of the mask shows greed, thirst for power and arrogance - befitting of how he views himself a "God-King". --LordoftheEarth 12:55, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Although I respect your interpretations, I disagree. It forces the reader to focus on a masked form, whereas a mask was never a definite characteristic of Sauron in canon. I preferred the other image of ms. Kukanova and did another rearrangement of the images. Also I saw that you replaced the "seduction" pic with an armored pic, for unclear reasons; the seduction is a historical event that fits the text where it is placed, whereas the armored pic is not artistically or contextually significant. Sage 19:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC)