Talk:North Sindarin
No offense intended, but a lot of the analysis about North Sindarin definitely not being Ilkorin sounds extremely biased (although for sure Tolkien intended Ilkorin to be the language of all of Beleriand when he conceived it).
Firstly, I read recently (though I cannot remember the primary source of the attribution) that the "Sindar" were first named as such by the Noldor, the designation only later being adopted by the Sindar themselves. So even taking into account Tolkien's later revisions and elaborations to the history of the First Age, "Ilkorin" could easily be another word referring to the same "Sindarin" group of Elves. Secondly and irrespectively, of course Ilkorin words could and would exist for things related to other parts Beleriand, because King Thingol was the High King of all of Beleriand, and since the people of Mithrim claimed fealty to him it is logical that they would have been aware of things, places, and people deemed to be of general importance. Finally, it is not unreasonable to assume that North Sindarin, assuming it either is Ilkorin or derivative of it from an in-universe perspective, could have been a conservative variety of Sindarin, starting out as a branch of Telerin retaining the "kw" of Common Eldarin, before transforming into a mutually intelligible, if rustic, variety of Sindarin (which was not standardized before the arrival of the Noldor in Middle-earth anyway).
All of this is to say that an awful lot of words are spent in the main article trying to refute a speculative theory with even more extensive speculation, which in turn compels me to refute it with even more extensive speculation on this talk page. Rather than maintain, or create more, arguments for either side, I am going to go ahead and condense/eliminate the whole business on the article page. The only part I think is worthy of being mentioned is the fact that Ilkorin maintains the "kw" of Common Eldarin, and also what Ilkorin words would look like if this sound underwent the same changes that it did in "mature" Sindarin in-universe, which I think many people including myself find interesting.--Webspidrman 04:46, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
