Talk:Harad

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Latest comment: 13 October 2020 by Gaetano in topic Revisions

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It looks good to me without the border/caption. No objections here, though I don't mind it with the caption/border either. --Hyarion 13:54, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

Narfil, I added the frame so we could have a description indicating the icon was Howe's work, not Tolkien's. I agree that the image looks better frameless, but I also think we need to describe where the image came from. Anyone else have an opinion? --Ebakunin 13:58, 11 May 2006 (EDT)
Kind of off topic but this reminds me I need to make a {{johnhowe}} template, anything by John Howe we put that template in there and it will say By John Howe http://www.john-howe.com or something a bit fancier. We also need to go back and put where these images can be found (which books, boardgames, etc.) as well as where to purchase them. Another possibility for the war icon is to mention it is by John Howe within the article. --Hyarion 14:29, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

Revisions

Could someone please replace the non-canonical map with a river flowing from the south-east of harad flowing into the bay of Umbar with the canonical General Map of Middle-earth from LOTR that shows Umbar, Near Harad and Far Harad? There is no reference that the Haradrim came into contact with Sauron during the second Age. As far as I recall it is only mentioned that Sauron had troops from the South during the War of the last alliance of elves and men. --Akhorahil 14:56, 11 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There is a lot of overlap with the article about the Haradrim. Maybe the article should be restricted to the geography and climate and the history should be restricted to the Druedain wandering through, Harad probably being discovered by Aldarion and some people living at or Near the by of Umbar so that the Numenoreans could pick up the name "Umbar" from them. Most of the history should be in the articles about the Haradrim, Umbar, the Black Numenoreans, Gondor or some of the gondorian Kings and stewards. --Akhorahil 08:19, 6 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree with most of your points. Naturally when talking about the history of the area there will be some overlap when talking about its peoples, but we just have to be mindful of what to include and decide if its relevant. I made some quick revisions on the text to make it more about 'Harad' and removed some sentences that I believe is not useful, though it can be added back if some disagree.
It is certain that Sauron came in contact with the Haradrim in the Second Age, I put a reference to that on the article but the line is "And in the south and in the further east Men multiplied; and most of them turned to evil, for Sauron was at work."
I removed two images and kept one for the peoples. Unfortunately we don't have any images of the geography of Harad so this is something to look for in the future. Gaetano 15:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]