Talk:Elrond

How about changing main image of Elrond? He looks a buit...uh...odd? --Morgan 12:20, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

What did you have in mind?-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  13:40, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

That Elrond looks odd in this picture.--Morgan 16:06, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

If no one disagrees, I suggest changing to the image used in this old revision [[1]]. Morover, this other image was uploaded with permission. —Unsigned comment by Morgan (talk • contribs).

I honestly don't like any of the images of Elrond already uploaded to TG.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  17:32, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I prefer the current image to the previous one, but, as KingAragorn says, I don't think any of them are particularly great. I would be tempted by a film-image, and would suggest this one if it weren't for the weird contrast. On deviantArt, the vast majority of Elrond images are Hugo Weaving. Our current image is fourth on a Google Image search for Elrond. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:52, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I like this one. We can always ask DeviantART artists for permission.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  13:08, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

It is good, and do ask away as it would be nice to have it here anyway, but I think we should have a film one. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:05, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Would you prefer a photograph from the film, or an artistic picture of Hugo Weaving's Elrond?-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  14:11, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

That's defiantely a great picture, KA! We should ask him/her for permission, and put use it as our main image. Maybe we should also ask if could have these images too: Fingon, Lúthien, Legolas, LOTR, The Lost Road, Galadriel, Maedrhos, Arwen, Finrod, Finrod, Tirion, Gandalf rides to MT, Aragorn, Rivendell. Actually al his/her images are great. --Amroth 14:33, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

A photo, because I think we have so few of them! And yes, a general request to use their art would be good. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:00, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

How's this one?-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  17:34, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

That one is good. --Amroth 18:53, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

It is! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:45, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Not a Noldo – in the essay "The Problem of -Ros", Tolkien states that, although his ancestry includes all elven clans, Elrond favored his Sindarin descent preeminently. I have removed reference to him as a Noldorin elf. Inasmuch as he chose to be an elf, he also gets a say in his heritage, which is Sindarin.

Infobox image

I think we should change the infobox image to something like this because illustrations based on the novels are favoured. If anyone has any suggestions, I am open to all. Also, two other images on the page are from the films while there is a supply of others. --DoctorWellington 23:20, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree it should be changed. My own preference is this image; although I like the one you've chosen, long images in infoboxes can create a bit of a problem with the layout of the page so they should be avoided (see Tar-Telperiën). --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:30, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

True. The image you suggested is very good, and it won't make the infobox interfere with the page content. --DoctorWellington 14:58, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Lineage breakdown?

Should i add a breakdown of elrond's lineage into the page? it might be useful. also inform me if i should add the same breakdown onto elros's page? --Kulid123 22:08, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Inaccurate statement

Subsequently he became the only character to appear in all three of The Silmarillion, The Hobbit, and The Lord of the Rings.

This statement isn't accurate as Gandalf is also mentioned in all three.—Unsigned comment by 172.69.34.235 (talk).

I suggest we remove it, it's inaccurate and OOU. Sage 06:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Out of universe seems perfectly appropriate in the "Other versions of the legendarium" section, which is entirely OOU content. I just corrected the inaccuracy by mentioning Gandalf.-jerodast 07:20, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

image

Perhaps it is time to choose another profile image. The current one is not the best I could think of. For now I propose the one by Ebe Kastein. Sage 06:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree, but I'd vote for Irsanna's, which depicts him bearing the ring Vilya. --LorenzoCB 14:12, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

How about this one? -Ar-Zigûr 07:55, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Lord of Rivendell

Here, what is the source that Elladan and Elrohir became lord of Rivendell after Elrond left Middle-earth?

Also again mentioning House of Fingolfin sounds suspicious to me.Shivam

I agree with both comments. Both sounds wrong to me, any references?. --LorenzoCB 14:12, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

We have no evidence one way or the other as to whether Elladan and/or Elrohir ever used the title "Lord of Rivendell."

Elrond is not of the House of Fingolfin; the infobox states Elrond is "Descended from all three Houses of the Edain and elven House of Fingolfin." This description is accurate, owing to his female-line descent from Turgon through Idril. Technically speaking, Elrond is of the House of Hador, but leaving it at just that would be so incomplete as to be wrong in every meaningful way. --Mord 05:22, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

So are we removing House of Fingolfin?--Shivam 13:40, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

He's definitely descended from the House of Fingolfin and that is an important part of his heritage, so I would leave it alone. If anything, I would add House of Elwë as well. --Mord 05:18, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Lorenzo. I think you misunderstood me Mord, I was talking about the title box (Sorry for this name, but I don't know what its called).--Shivam 08:01, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Whoops, you're right. I was looking at the wrong part of the infobox. --Mord 15:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Houses and families, in Tolkien's legendarium, seem to follow a consistent patrilineal descent. Staying true to this, Elrond (and his brother and father) is a descendant of the House of Hador. Notice how he is considered a "descendant" as the house is now defunct. As such, the infobox for Elrond (and other characters that follow this pattern) shouls be corrected to "Descendant of the House of Hador". Adding all other lineages is trivial and redundant when considering the context of patrilineal descent in Tolkien's works.--Tolkienator 01:54, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Not entirely consistent. The kingship of Numenor was, after the rule was changed, passed down by strict primogeniture. In fact, Tolkien went back to an eldest child, Silmarien, who had been passed over before that rule was changed, and made her the progenitor of the line of the Lords of Andunie, which gave rise to the rulers of the Realms in Exile. If we're going strictly by eldest heirs, irrespective of gender, that line is actually the senior line. VolundNYC (talk) 11:19, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

"It has been argued that, following Gil-galad’s death, Elrond had the right to become High King of the Noldor, but he never claimed the title. Indeed, after the Second Age ended, there were very few Noldor left in Middle-earth for there to be a king over."

He's also Thingol's remaining heir. Once again, that's through a female line, but on that basis his grandfather Dior took up the lordship of Doriath, no matter how briefly.

In any event, the lordships and titles in question (High King of the Noldor, High King of the Teleri(?), etc.) are in any meaningful sense defunct by the time they come down to Elrond. VolundNYC (talk) 11:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)