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Hello.I would like to discuss about something [[Talk:Battle of Fornost|here]].<br />
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== Discussions ==<br />
Let's talk about it [[Talk:Quest of Erebor|here]], [[Talk:Arnor|here]] and [[User talk:2.86.255.128|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}<br />
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I would like to be discussed something generally.Read [[User talk:2.86.255.128#Tolkien Gateway and The Hobbit film|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}<br />
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It should be mentioned in any way that Ravenhill was the place of the final duel between Thorin and Azog in the films. {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:It should be mentioned in a way that resembles English. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Why don't you put in your own way? I mean you can write it in your own way (the fact that in Ravendill happened the final confrontation between Thorin and Azog). {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:I've done that for roughly 80% of what you've added so far. Please improve your English. This is not optional. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Complaint and Discussions ==<br />
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Fool.Why did you do that? After all I have done? After all the editings that I have done in Tolkien Gateway;Is this the way you thank me? By blogging me; Is this how you thank the others for their contribitions here? By blogging them? Congratulations.Congratulations.You should be given an award for that.This is the way you thank the others.By blogging them.Right?You are an asshole.If the only thing you know what to do is blogging them and not discussing with them, then do it again. OK? Well done.--[[User talk:2.86.255.128|2.86.255.128]] 20:25, 05 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Blogging is writing a weblog. What I did was blocking you. Because I've had to clean up all your edits, and you still continued. Don't you look at how I (and others) rewrite your contributions? Don't you learn from that? Don't you see what we remove all the time, what we keep and what we rewrite? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:37, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Next time I would like FIRST to discuss these problems with me.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:I indicated your English was below par before. You make a mess, I clean it up. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
Why did you delete my editings on page Beorn's Hall?I am telling the truth about the filming of Beorn's Hall (where it was shot).You can check it.I am not lying. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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Also, why did you delete my editings on talk page about Tauriel(I am talking about this page:[[Talk:Tauriel]])? This my opinion. OK? Can't I say my opinion about her fate now? This is just my opinion about her fate.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:Didn't I explain enough? The English is too poor to be usable. It's not a fun thing for me to say to you, but if I don't, you'll never improve. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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All these games that I added on Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment do exist.Why didn't you put these games on this page earlier? Before me no-one else had ever said about these games on Tolkien Gateway. You could have mentioned these games earlier on Tolkien Gateway, but you didn't.Why? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:I'm largely retired from active content editing. I still do clean up work, though. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Why?Why are you retired from active content editing? You can still create pages on Tolkien Gateway.Don't be so pessimistic about yourself. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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== About my edit ==<br />
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Why did you undo my edit on the nazgul page? When you actually look at the battle of the morannon, you can actually see a wraith falling of his steed during the battle [http://cdn.roaring.earth/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Eagles-vs-Nazgul.png (A screenshot of the wraith in question)]<br />
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Not complaining about anything here, just asking--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 18:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:"They are taken out" covers the scene. Whether one was alive or dead is speculation. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Ah okay. Also tbh i wonder what would happen if one survived the destruction of the ring--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 04:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Battle under the Trees ==<br />
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First of all, thanks for reminding me not to capitalize under. Obviously a bit miffed you deleted it so quickly, but admittedly there was a bit of conjecture in it. I would point out that by putting 'maybe' I clearly labled my conjecture, whereas there are plenty of articles that don't, for example: 'The battle was incredibly important in the course of the War of the Ring: if Sauron's Easterling armies had beaten the Dwarves and Men of Dale, they would have been able to join up with Sauron's forces from Dol Guldur in their attacks on the Woodland Realm of Mirkwood and Lothlórien, tipping the scales in favor of Mordor.'<br />
I don't see how saying that Thranduil's army in Mirkwood would have probably exceeded that in 2941 is much more problematic. Anyway, what I'm proposing is that I write a more basic version of the article, then submit it to you or another administrator before saving it. Frankly, the Gateway's current stuff on the War of the Ring is pretty poor, and we could really do with a few short articles on the battles. The current War template leaves out half the conflict. It's fair enough to get rid of conjecture, but I'll happily do that for you. {{unsigned|Hazad}}<br />
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:I didn't delete it quickly - not as quickly as I've deleted other articles. I was busy copy editing it, fixing the sources and everything, but without all the speculation, there really wasn't much of a history section left. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 05:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::Hazad: IIRC, there was a discussion about having an article about a "Battle under the Trees" a couple of years ago, ultimately reaching a consensus similar to Michael Martinez' [http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/10/12/what-was-the-battle-of-mirkwood/ thoughts on the subject]. Thus, if there are details missing about the battle(s) in Mirkwood, I would advise adding these to the [[Mirkwood#History|history section of Mirkwood]]. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 06:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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OK, thanks for getting back to me. I have read that Martinez article and to be honest I think it's a bit below his usual standards, in that when Tolkien writes 'battle under the trees' he is clearly referring to Mirkwood in particular, rather than Mirkwood and Lorien. But anyhow no matter. While I'm asking, why is the War of the Elves and Sauron page protected, when it's marked as in need of expansion? (really needs to be added to, the only reference is Appendix B)<br />
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== What did I do wrong with the Warg matriarch image? ==<br />
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No offense but i seriously have no idea what you meant with "no source" when you deleted the image<br />
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As for the infobox, i couldnt do much better since im on an ipad and the editing interface doesnt work that well on my ipad--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 19:47, 26 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:All images need a source category and subject categories. I deleted that one because I couldn't guess which of the three it was from. You like it? You source it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh now i get it. Guess ill reupload it tomorrow since i know where its from--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 21:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::And the other two images? what was wrong with those? {{unsigned|LordAndSaviourSauron}}<br />
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:::Duplicates of each other, and no point to illustrate it on the article. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:34, 27 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, but idk if an image of how the eye appears in the hobbit would actually be pointless, since it looks quite different than what the eye looked like in LOTR.--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 20:33, 27 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looked fairly similar. If they're different, describe the differences on the relevant page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Limpe ==<br />
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Hi, I was adding some information on the drink Limpe which is canon. Look it up. And it's not copyrighted. I have the darn link right here as proof.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_food_and_drink_in_Middle-earth#Limp.C3.ABSo could you kindly tell me the reason for the deletion please? {{unsigned|Tolkienfan31}}<br />
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:It had no source, no proper layout, no proper markup, the wrong title, no categories... It wasn't an article, it was juse a random line. There's more to an article than being right or wrong. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 04:44, 25 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== About my talk page ==<br />
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Just blanked it cause the discussions on it didn’t really have a point anymore and to make space for new stuff--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 16:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:It's a public record of all communications to you. There's no need to "archive" it unless it's really a long page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:39, 20 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::Also why are you editing my signature?--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 15:50, 22 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::Do not use "Heil". Ever. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::::The way I’m using it is a joke tho (it’s a parody)--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 16:18, 22 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::::That is not a joking matter. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:32, 22 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Whatever--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Insert unfunny orc joke here]] 16:01, 23 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Tolkien Ancestry ==<br />
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I would like to ask if it is possible to update all entries concerning the Tolkien Family history. My research in the Tolkien genealogy has changed a lot in this matter. See for instance here:<br />
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Now we are 100% sure that first two Tolkiens in London were brothers, sons of Christian and Anna Euphrosina Tolkien from Petershagen in Gdańsk (German Danzig). The Professor's great-great-grandfather was born in June 1752 and was baptized in St Salvator Lutheran church in Gdańsk. His brother emmigrated in 1766 first to Amsterdam, then in 1770 to London. His younger brother, Johann Benjamin joined him in ca. 1772. Both brothers married the English girls and Daniel became furrie and John Benjamin a clock and watch maker.<br />
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Their father was born in Kreuzburg, East Prussia in 1706. We know also the other generations:<br />
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The Tolkien family from Prussia <br />
(15th-17th c.)|Michel Tolkien (b. ca. 1620, Globuhnen by Kreuzburg, Prussia)|Christianus Tolkien <br />
(1663-1746, Kreuzburg, Kingdom of Prussia)|Christian Tolkien (b. 1706 in Kreuzburg, d. 1791 in Gdańsk, Polish Prussia)= Anna Euphrosina Tolkien, née Bergholtz (1719-1792)|Johann (John) Benjamin Tolkien (b. 1752 in Gdańsk, d. 1819 in London)|George Tolkien (1784-1840)<br />
|John Benjamin Tolkien(1807-1896)|Arthur Reuel Tolkien(1857-1896)|John Ronald Reuel Tolkien(1892-1973)<br />
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The Tolkien family name belongs to a big Prussian family of names with the ending -in, -yn, -ien, -iehn and comes from Tolk-īn 'a descendant of Tolk'. Tolk is a Prussian name meaning 'translator, negotiator'<br />
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The Tolkiens in the 16th-18th centuries lives in East Prussia. You will not find the Tolkiens in Saxony, because it is a Prussian family of medieval roots in the Teutonic State. {{unsigned|Galadhorn}}<br />
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:The current text is what Tolkien himself believed to be the origin of his family and family name. He mentioned it multiple times - [[Letter 165]] and [[Letter 324]], for example. He explicitly dismisses the association with Tolk- ("interpreter", "spokesman") in [[Letter 349]]. Even if that blog were true - I'm not saying it isn't - outright removing the current text and replacing it with things that contradict it is not the way to go. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:45, 22 November 2017 (UTC)<br />
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I am sorry. I am not a Wikipedist, I have problems with proper editing in the places like this. I undestrand, Ederchil your position. The clue is that Professor Tolkien couldn't know things we know today. My research is known to the Tolkien family today, it is already accepted by the Tolkien Society (see their website) and is included in the newest "The J.R.R. Tolkien. Companion and Guide". I spent last year in the archives to find the truth about the Tolkien genealogy. Only you know how to enter the information from me into your Tolkien Gateway. Plese, think about including the information about the roots in Gdańsk and East Prussia. And about the alternative etymology of the Tolkien family name. {{unsigned|Galadhorn}}<br />
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:I have no problems with including it, as long as it is properly sourced and the current is not removed. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:23, 22 November 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Can you help me with it, Ederchil? As a source you can cite Ch. Scull, W. G. Hammond, "The J.R.R. Tolkien Companion and Guide" (2017), G 828, 1298. When they publish my article in the "Tolkien Studies" there will be another source for the Tolkien Gateway (I will inform you about the publication). Or you can quote the Tolkien Society website: https://www.tolkiensociety.org/author/biography/<br />
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"The name “Tolkien” (pron.: Tol-keen; equal stress on both syllables) was believed by the family (including Tolkien himself) to be of German origin; Toll-kühn: foolishly brave, or stupidly clever—hence the pseudonym “Oxymore” which he occasionally used; however, this quite probably was a German rationalisation of an originally Baltic Tolkyn, or Tolkīn. In any case, his great-great grandfather John (Johann) Benjamin Tolkien came to Britain with his brother Daniel from Gdańsk in about 1772 and rapidly became thoroughly Anglicised."<br />
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I am very weak as a Wikipedist. I don't understand the language of the coding in here. Please, help me.<br />
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== Lots of time to learn, my boy ==<br />
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It is clear you bring your own view, only, to this Wiki.<br />
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A moderator's task is to intervene when new users first stray from your narrow course.<br />
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Not after much effort.<br />
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This is clearly habitual.<br />
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Now I see why so many Wiki's exist on this topic.<br />
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Some even allow flexibility and detail.<br />
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You are young and I hope you have the time to really understand Tolkien's great Work.<br />
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There seems to be a lot of Noldor in your ATTITUDE.<br />
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But it's YOUR Wiki, so...<br />
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[[User:Fudoki|Fudoki]] 21:00, 31 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:So much for the skin of Ironfoot. Wait, was the skin of Ironfoot ever mentioned? Guess not. Silly me.<br />
:I admire that you want to help out. But putting in effort does not automatically mean it's a well-written summary of the life of Fingon. It was practically unsalvageable, a jumbled collection of clauses.<br />
:I'm not young by most standards, and I'm more Dwarf than Noldo. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== "Other" label ==<br />
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You wrote "again, this is not what Other is for" in the Elured and Elurin articles... So I repeat what I asked in the Talk:Elwing page: Given the fact that Eluréd, Elurín and Elwing present some difficulties in being classified in terms of elf/man/half-elf, why not use a neutral label? Despite the name "other", the label is an empty one, the character in question is not put in some list of "strange races" or nothing like that. See [[Falathar]] and companions: they were elves or men, but we don't know exactly what they are, so the "other" label was applied in their articles. If you insist this is wrong, I think a third way should be find, because the "elf" label doesn't seem right to me: Dior was mortal, your sons couldn't be elves. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 19:31, 1 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Those two are three quarters Elf. They're more Elvish than Half-elves. And even Half-elves are still identified by their Elvenness (they're not called Half-men) so giving them a undetermined elf infobox is still better than lumping them with "race unknown" and "race too small for their own infobox". --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:: You explore a very subjective line of argumentation, percentage of elvish blood and the word "half-elf"... I don't see why this so personal thinking would be better, instead of a neutral label - "race unknown" and "race too small for their own infobox" is another subjective vision of yours, nothing in the box says that - or even a “sinda” label, for example... But whatever, I think you had a pet peeve with my editions since the beginning, reverting them and writing hardly nothing, and now have found a new way to continue disagreeing - particularly because this argumentation of yours is a new one, you insisted earlier on restoring the "half-elf" label, and, indeed, you replaced Elurín in the Category:Half-Elves and it still remain so... [[User:Haran|Haran]] 21:07, 2 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Unnecessary block? ==<br />
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What did you block [[User:JaquelineKitchen]] for? She (I'm assuming it is "she") had not done anything wrong...--[[User:DoctorWellington|DoctorWellington]] 14:27, 25 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:It's a spambot. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay, I understand now. Thanks for expalaining. --[[User:DoctorWellington|DoctorWellington]] 13:23, 27 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Verwijder mijn gebruikersnaam AUB ==<br />
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Verwijder mijn gebruikersnaam AUB. Ik heb valide informative toegevoegd. Vervolgens wordt dit verwijderd. Daar heb ik geen zin in. Dan maar niet. {{unsigned|PeterNC}}<br />
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:Er zijn zoveel fans wereldwijd dat we toch enige grenzen moeten stellen. Mensen die boeken of artikelen gepubliceerd hebben krijgen voorrang. <br />
:Ik heb nog geprobeerd om het te herschrijven, maar er was bar weinig aan te doen. Sommige delen waren woord voor woord (en dode link voor dode link) overgenomen van [[Haradrim (Tolkien Society)]] en andere waren niet meer dan reclame. Dat het valide is betekent niet dat wij het in de aangeboden vorm maar moeten gebruiken. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== parabombing what?! ==<br />
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But what the matter with my edits??? They are not vandalism, this is a fact that spiders don't have stingers, if Shelob was born in the First Age, she's obviously several millenia old, and square kilometer converting is also useful for somebody not mastering well Anglo-Saxon metric system. Not every statement needs sourcing, it would be nonsense. [[Special:Contributions/193.54.167.180|193.54.167.180]] 18:37, 15 November 2018 (UTC)</div>193.54.167.180https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ederchil&diff=301650User talk:Ederchil2018-11-15T18:37:01Z<p>193.54.167.180: /* parabombing what?! */ +</p>
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== Discussion ==<br />
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Hello.I would like to discuss about something [[Talk:Battle of Fornost|here]].<br />
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== Discussions ==<br />
Let's talk about it [[Talk:Quest of Erebor|here]], [[Talk:Arnor|here]] and [[User talk:2.86.255.128|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}<br />
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I would like to be discussed something generally.Read [[User talk:2.86.255.128#Tolkien Gateway and The Hobbit film|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}<br />
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It should be mentioned in any way that Ravenhill was the place of the final duel between Thorin and Azog in the films. {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:It should be mentioned in a way that resembles English. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Why don't you put in your own way? I mean you can write it in your own way (the fact that in Ravendill happened the final confrontation between Thorin and Azog). {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:I've done that for roughly 80% of what you've added so far. Please improve your English. This is not optional. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Complaint and Discussions ==<br />
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Fool.Why did you do that? After all I have done? After all the editings that I have done in Tolkien Gateway;Is this the way you thank me? By blogging me; Is this how you thank the others for their contribitions here? By blogging them? Congratulations.Congratulations.You should be given an award for that.This is the way you thank the others.By blogging them.Right?You are an asshole.If the only thing you know what to do is blogging them and not discussing with them, then do it again. OK? Well done.--[[User talk:2.86.255.128|2.86.255.128]] 20:25, 05 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Blogging is writing a weblog. What I did was blocking you. Because I've had to clean up all your edits, and you still continued. Don't you look at how I (and others) rewrite your contributions? Don't you learn from that? Don't you see what we remove all the time, what we keep and what we rewrite? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:37, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Next time I would like FIRST to discuss these problems with me.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:I indicated your English was below par before. You make a mess, I clean it up. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
Why did you delete my editings on page Beorn's Hall?I am telling the truth about the filming of Beorn's Hall (where it was shot).You can check it.I am not lying. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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Also, why did you delete my editings on talk page about Tauriel(I am talking about this page:[[Talk:Tauriel]])? This my opinion. OK? Can't I say my opinion about her fate now? This is just my opinion about her fate.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:Didn't I explain enough? The English is too poor to be usable. It's not a fun thing for me to say to you, but if I don't, you'll never improve. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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All these games that I added on Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment do exist.Why didn't you put these games on this page earlier? Before me no-one else had ever said about these games on Tolkien Gateway. You could have mentioned these games earlier on Tolkien Gateway, but you didn't.Why? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:I'm largely retired from active content editing. I still do clean up work, though. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Why?Why are you retired from active content editing? You can still create pages on Tolkien Gateway.Don't be so pessimistic about yourself. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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== About my edit ==<br />
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Why did you undo my edit on the nazgul page? When you actually look at the battle of the morannon, you can actually see a wraith falling of his steed during the battle [http://cdn.roaring.earth/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Eagles-vs-Nazgul.png (A screenshot of the wraith in question)]<br />
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Not complaining about anything here, just asking--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 18:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:"They are taken out" covers the scene. Whether one was alive or dead is speculation. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Ah okay. Also tbh i wonder what would happen if one survived the destruction of the ring--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 04:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Battle under the Trees ==<br />
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First of all, thanks for reminding me not to capitalize under. Obviously a bit miffed you deleted it so quickly, but admittedly there was a bit of conjecture in it. I would point out that by putting 'maybe' I clearly labled my conjecture, whereas there are plenty of articles that don't, for example: 'The battle was incredibly important in the course of the War of the Ring: if Sauron's Easterling armies had beaten the Dwarves and Men of Dale, they would have been able to join up with Sauron's forces from Dol Guldur in their attacks on the Woodland Realm of Mirkwood and Lothlórien, tipping the scales in favor of Mordor.'<br />
I don't see how saying that Thranduil's army in Mirkwood would have probably exceeded that in 2941 is much more problematic. Anyway, what I'm proposing is that I write a more basic version of the article, then submit it to you or another administrator before saving it. Frankly, the Gateway's current stuff on the War of the Ring is pretty poor, and we could really do with a few short articles on the battles. The current War template leaves out half the conflict. It's fair enough to get rid of conjecture, but I'll happily do that for you. {{unsigned|Hazad}}<br />
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:I didn't delete it quickly - not as quickly as I've deleted other articles. I was busy copy editing it, fixing the sources and everything, but without all the speculation, there really wasn't much of a history section left. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 05:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::Hazad: IIRC, there was a discussion about having an article about a "Battle under the Trees" a couple of years ago, ultimately reaching a consensus similar to Michael Martinez' [http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/10/12/what-was-the-battle-of-mirkwood/ thoughts on the subject]. Thus, if there are details missing about the battle(s) in Mirkwood, I would advise adding these to the [[Mirkwood#History|history section of Mirkwood]]. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 06:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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OK, thanks for getting back to me. I have read that Martinez article and to be honest I think it's a bit below his usual standards, in that when Tolkien writes 'battle under the trees' he is clearly referring to Mirkwood in particular, rather than Mirkwood and Lorien. But anyhow no matter. While I'm asking, why is the War of the Elves and Sauron page protected, when it's marked as in need of expansion? (really needs to be added to, the only reference is Appendix B)<br />
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== What did I do wrong with the Warg matriarch image? ==<br />
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No offense but i seriously have no idea what you meant with "no source" when you deleted the image<br />
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As for the infobox, i couldnt do much better since im on an ipad and the editing interface doesnt work that well on my ipad--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 19:47, 26 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:All images need a source category and subject categories. I deleted that one because I couldn't guess which of the three it was from. You like it? You source it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh now i get it. Guess ill reupload it tomorrow since i know where its from--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 21:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::And the other two images? what was wrong with those? {{unsigned|LordAndSaviourSauron}}<br />
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:::Duplicates of each other, and no point to illustrate it on the article. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:34, 27 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, but idk if an image of how the eye appears in the hobbit would actually be pointless, since it looks quite different than what the eye looked like in LOTR.--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 20:33, 27 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looked fairly similar. If they're different, describe the differences on the relevant page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Limpe ==<br />
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Hi, I was adding some information on the drink Limpe which is canon. Look it up. And it's not copyrighted. I have the darn link right here as proof.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_food_and_drink_in_Middle-earth#Limp.C3.ABSo could you kindly tell me the reason for the deletion please? {{unsigned|Tolkienfan31}}<br />
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:It had no source, no proper layout, no proper markup, the wrong title, no categories... It wasn't an article, it was juse a random line. There's more to an article than being right or wrong. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 04:44, 25 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== About my talk page ==<br />
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Just blanked it cause the discussions on it didn’t really have a point anymore and to make space for new stuff--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 16:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:It's a public record of all communications to you. There's no need to "archive" it unless it's really a long page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:39, 20 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::Also why are you editing my signature?--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 15:50, 22 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::Do not use "Heil". Ever. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::::The way I’m using it is a joke tho (it’s a parody)--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 16:18, 22 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::::That is not a joking matter. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:32, 22 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Whatever--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Insert unfunny orc joke here]] 16:01, 23 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Tolkien Ancestry ==<br />
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Hi!<br />
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I would like to ask if it is possible to update all entries concerning the Tolkien Family history. My research in the Tolkien genealogy has changed a lot in this matter. See for instance here:<br />
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http://tolkniety.blogspot.com/2017/05/john-benjamin-tolkien-1753-1819-summary.html<br />
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Now we are 100% sure that first two Tolkiens in London were brothers, sons of Christian and Anna Euphrosina Tolkien from Petershagen in Gdańsk (German Danzig). The Professor's great-great-grandfather was born in June 1752 and was baptized in St Salvator Lutheran church in Gdańsk. His brother emmigrated in 1766 first to Amsterdam, then in 1770 to London. His younger brother, Johann Benjamin joined him in ca. 1772. Both brothers married the English girls and Daniel became furrie and John Benjamin a clock and watch maker.<br />
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Their father was born in Kreuzburg, East Prussia in 1706. We know also the other generations:<br />
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The Tolkien family from Prussia <br />
(15th-17th c.)|Michel Tolkien (b. ca. 1620, Globuhnen by Kreuzburg, Prussia)|Christianus Tolkien <br />
(1663-1746, Kreuzburg, Kingdom of Prussia)|Christian Tolkien (b. 1706 in Kreuzburg, d. 1791 in Gdańsk, Polish Prussia)= Anna Euphrosina Tolkien, née Bergholtz (1719-1792)|Johann (John) Benjamin Tolkien (b. 1752 in Gdańsk, d. 1819 in London)|George Tolkien (1784-1840)<br />
|John Benjamin Tolkien(1807-1896)|Arthur Reuel Tolkien(1857-1896)|John Ronald Reuel Tolkien(1892-1973)<br />
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The Tolkien family name belongs to a big Prussian family of names with the ending -in, -yn, -ien, -iehn and comes from Tolk-īn 'a descendant of Tolk'. Tolk is a Prussian name meaning 'translator, negotiator'<br />
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The Tolkiens in the 16th-18th centuries lives in East Prussia. You will not find the Tolkiens in Saxony, because it is a Prussian family of medieval roots in the Teutonic State. {{unsigned|Galadhorn}}<br />
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:The current text is what Tolkien himself believed to be the origin of his family and family name. He mentioned it multiple times - [[Letter 165]] and [[Letter 324]], for example. He explicitly dismisses the association with Tolk- ("interpreter", "spokesman") in [[Letter 349]]. Even if that blog were true - I'm not saying it isn't - outright removing the current text and replacing it with things that contradict it is not the way to go. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:45, 22 November 2017 (UTC)<br />
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I am sorry. I am not a Wikipedist, I have problems with proper editing in the places like this. I undestrand, Ederchil your position. The clue is that Professor Tolkien couldn't know things we know today. My research is known to the Tolkien family today, it is already accepted by the Tolkien Society (see their website) and is included in the newest "The J.R.R. Tolkien. Companion and Guide". I spent last year in the archives to find the truth about the Tolkien genealogy. Only you know how to enter the information from me into your Tolkien Gateway. Plese, think about including the information about the roots in Gdańsk and East Prussia. And about the alternative etymology of the Tolkien family name. {{unsigned|Galadhorn}}<br />
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:I have no problems with including it, as long as it is properly sourced and the current is not removed. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:23, 22 November 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Can you help me with it, Ederchil? As a source you can cite Ch. Scull, W. G. Hammond, "The J.R.R. Tolkien Companion and Guide" (2017), G 828, 1298. When they publish my article in the "Tolkien Studies" there will be another source for the Tolkien Gateway (I will inform you about the publication). Or you can quote the Tolkien Society website: https://www.tolkiensociety.org/author/biography/<br />
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"The name “Tolkien” (pron.: Tol-keen; equal stress on both syllables) was believed by the family (including Tolkien himself) to be of German origin; Toll-kühn: foolishly brave, or stupidly clever—hence the pseudonym “Oxymore” which he occasionally used; however, this quite probably was a German rationalisation of an originally Baltic Tolkyn, or Tolkīn. In any case, his great-great grandfather John (Johann) Benjamin Tolkien came to Britain with his brother Daniel from Gdańsk in about 1772 and rapidly became thoroughly Anglicised."<br />
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I am very weak as a Wikipedist. I don't understand the language of the coding in here. Please, help me.<br />
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== Lots of time to learn, my boy ==<br />
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It is clear you bring your own view, only, to this Wiki.<br />
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A moderator's task is to intervene when new users first stray from your narrow course.<br />
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Not after much effort.<br />
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This is clearly habitual.<br />
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Now I see why so many Wiki's exist on this topic.<br />
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Some even allow flexibility and detail.<br />
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You are young and I hope you have the time to really understand Tolkien's great Work.<br />
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There seems to be a lot of Noldor in your ATTITUDE.<br />
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But it's YOUR Wiki, so...<br />
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[[User:Fudoki|Fudoki]] 21:00, 31 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:So much for the skin of Ironfoot. Wait, was the skin of Ironfoot ever mentioned? Guess not. Silly me.<br />
:I admire that you want to help out. But putting in effort does not automatically mean it's a well-written summary of the life of Fingon. It was practically unsalvageable, a jumbled collection of clauses.<br />
:I'm not young by most standards, and I'm more Dwarf than Noldo. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== "Other" label ==<br />
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You wrote "again, this is not what Other is for" in the Elured and Elurin articles... So I repeat what I asked in the Talk:Elwing page: Given the fact that Eluréd, Elurín and Elwing present some difficulties in being classified in terms of elf/man/half-elf, why not use a neutral label? Despite the name "other", the label is an empty one, the character in question is not put in some list of "strange races" or nothing like that. See [[Falathar]] and companions: they were elves or men, but we don't know exactly what they are, so the "other" label was applied in their articles. If you insist this is wrong, I think a third way should be find, because the "elf" label doesn't seem right to me: Dior was mortal, your sons couldn't be elves. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 19:31, 1 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Those two are three quarters Elf. They're more Elvish than Half-elves. And even Half-elves are still identified by their Elvenness (they're not called Half-men) so giving them a undetermined elf infobox is still better than lumping them with "race unknown" and "race too small for their own infobox". --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:: You explore a very subjective line of argumentation, percentage of elvish blood and the word "half-elf"... I don't see why this so personal thinking would be better, instead of a neutral label - "race unknown" and "race too small for their own infobox" is another subjective vision of yours, nothing in the box says that - or even a “sinda” label, for example... But whatever, I think you had a pet peeve with my editions since the beginning, reverting them and writing hardly nothing, and now have found a new way to continue disagreeing - particularly because this argumentation of yours is a new one, you insisted earlier on restoring the "half-elf" label, and, indeed, you replaced Elurín in the Category:Half-Elves and it still remain so... [[User:Haran|Haran]] 21:07, 2 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Unnecessary block? ==<br />
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What did you block [[User:JaquelineKitchen]] for? She (I'm assuming it is "she") had not done anything wrong...--[[User:DoctorWellington|DoctorWellington]] 14:27, 25 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:It's a spambot. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay, I understand now. Thanks for expalaining. --[[User:DoctorWellington|DoctorWellington]] 13:23, 27 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Verwijder mijn gebruikersnaam AUB ==<br />
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Verwijder mijn gebruikersnaam AUB. Ik heb valide informative toegevoegd. Vervolgens wordt dit verwijderd. Daar heb ik geen zin in. Dan maar niet. {{unsigned|PeterNC}}<br />
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:Er zijn zoveel fans wereldwijd dat we toch enige grenzen moeten stellen. Mensen die boeken of artikelen gepubliceerd hebben krijgen voorrang. <br />
:Ik heb nog geprobeerd om het te herschrijven, maar er was bar weinig aan te doen. Sommige delen waren woord voor woord (en dode link voor dode link) overgenomen van [[Haradrim (Tolkien Society)]] en andere waren niet meer dan reclame. Dat het valide is betekent niet dat wij het in de aangeboden vorm maar moeten gebruiken. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== parabombing what?! ==<br />
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But what the matter with my edits??? They are not vandalism, this is a fact that spiders don't have stingers, if Shelob was born in the First Age, she's obviously several millenia old, and square kilometer converting is also useful for somebody not mastering well Anglo-Saxon metric system. Not very statement needs sourcing, it would be nonsense.</div>193.54.167.180https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Shire&diff=301649The Shire2018-11-15T18:20:09Z<p>193.54.167.180: Kilometers don't exist in Middle Earth, but converting is useful for somebody not mastering well leagues, miles and so-on.</p>
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{{location infobox<br />
| name=The Shire<br />
| image=[[File:Ted Nasmith - Green Hill Morning.jpg|250px]]<br />
| caption="Green Hill Morning" by [[Ted Nasmith]]<br />
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| othernames=[[Sûza]] ("Shire" in [[Westron]])<ref name="AppF">{{App|F}}</ref>;<br><br />
''I Drann'' (“The Shire” in [[Sindarin]])<ref>[[Vinyar Tengwar 31]], pp. 21-22; [[Sauron Defeated]],p. 129</ref><br />
| location=[[Eriador]]<br />
| type=[[Region]]<br />
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| regions=[[Eastfarthing]], [[Southfarthing]], [[Northfarthing]], [[Westfarthing]]; [[Buckland]], [[Westmarch]]; [[Bridgefields]], [[Green Hill Country]], [[Marish]], [[Tookland]], [[Woody End]]<br />
| towns=[[Bywater]], [[Hobbiton]], [[Michel Delving]], [[Tuckborough]] <br />
| inhabitants=[[Hobbits]]<br />
| created={{TA|1601}}<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><ref name="AppB2">{{App|B2}}</ref><br/>{{SR|1452}} - [[Westmarch]] added to the Shire<ref name="AppB5">{{App|B5}}</ref><br />
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| events=[[Battle of Greenfields]]<br/>[[Battle of Bywater]]<br />
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'''The Shire''' was a region in [[Eriador]] inhabited by [[Hobbits]].<br />
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==Geography==<br />
The Shire is described as a small but beautiful and fruitful land, beloved by its inhabitants. The Hobbits had an extensive agricultural system in the Shire, but did not proceed with industrialisation. Various supplies could be found in the Shire, including cereals, fruit, wood and [[pipe-weed]] (a favourite treat of Hobbits).<br />
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The Shire was quite densely populated in parts with many villages and a few towns, but it still was open enough to allow for wide forested areas and marshes. There were green, rolling hills and freshly tilled earth, along with gardens and flower boxes on window sills.<br />
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Thanks to the protective presence of the [[Rangers of the North]] in the lands of the former Arnor, the Shire for centuries ignored the wide world outside, despite being traversed by the [[Great East Road]].<br />
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From the west to the east, the Shire originally measured 40 leagues (120 [[Númenóreans|Númenórean]] miles) from the [[Far Downs]] to the [[Brandywine Bridge]]. From the north to the south, it measured 50 leagues (150 Númenórean miles) from the northern moors to the marshes in the south.<ref name="FRHobbits"/> The total area of the shire must have extended roughly about 20,000 square miles (52,000 km²).<ref group="note">[[Robert Foster]] estimates the total area of the Shire to be "about 18,000 square miles" (47,000 km²), slightly smaller than a country such as [[Wikipedia:Dominican Republic|the Dominican Republic]]; [[Karen Wynn Fonstad]] has calculated a larger figure, about 21,400 square miles (55,600 km²), slightly smaller than a country such as [[Wikipedia:Croatia|Croatia]]. See: {{HM|Guide}}, entry "Shire" and {{HM|AME}}, revised edn (London: HarperCollins, 1991), p. 69</ref><br />
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In {{SR|1452}}, [[Aragorn|King Elessar]] gave the [[Westmarch]] to the [[Shire-hobbits]] as a gift. This extended the western boundaries of the Shire to the [[Tower Hills]].<ref name="AppB5"/> [[Buckland]], to the east of the Brandywine, remained an independent region occupied by [[Hobbits]].<br />
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[[File:Christopher Tolkien - A Part of the Shire.jpg|thumb|500px|center|''[[A Part of the Shire]]'' by [[Christopher Tolkien]]]]<br />
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The original boundaries of the Shire were as follows:<ref name="FRHobbits"/><br />
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==History==<br />
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The Shire was a fertile and well-tilled part of [[Arnor]], but deserted during the waning days of the Kingdom when it was known as the splinter-realm of [[Arthedain]]; it had been the hunting grounds of the [[King of Arnor]]. The [[Hobbits]] (who lived in [[Dunland]] and parts of depopulated [[Cardolan]] and [[Rhudaur]]) got official permission from King [[Argeleb II]] at Norbury ([[Fornost]]) to settle the lands. This was finally done in [[Third Age 1601]] (Year 1 in Shire Reckoning) by Hobbits from [[Bree]], led by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]].<br />
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[[File:Ted Nasmith - One Morning Long Ago.jpg|thumb|left|[[Ted Nasmith]] - ''One Morning Long Ago''.]]<br />
By 30 years later, almost all of the Hobbits of Middle-earth could be found in the Shire. The [[Shire-hobbits]] considered themselves as subjects of the [[Kings of Arthedain|King]], at least nominally, considering the isolation of their country. Nevertheless the Hobbits sent some support troops to the great battles Arnor fought against [[Angmar]]. After the fall of Arnor, the Shire remained a minor but independent political unit and the title of [[Thain]] was established to fill the absence of a Kingship.<br />
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Its small size, relative lack of importance, and brave and resilient Hobbit population made it too modest an objective for conquest. More important was that the Shire was guarded and protected by the [[Dúnedain]] [[Rangers of the North]] (and [[Gandalf]]), who watched the borders and kept out intruders. The only strangers to enter the Shire were the [[Dwarves]] travelling on the [[Great East Road]] that ran through the Shire to and from their mines in the [[Blue Mountains]], and the occasional [[Elves]] on their way to the [[Emyn Beraid]] or the [[Grey Havens]].<br />
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In {{TA|2340}} the [[Oldbucks]] of the [[Marish]] crossed the [[Brandywine]] because of overpopulation and founded [[Buckland]].<br />
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However Shire faced its adversities since it was inside the range of the [[Great Plague]] of {{TA|1636}}, and [[Orcs of the Misty Mountains|Goblins]] from [[Mount Gram]] invaded the Shire until they were driven out after the [[Battle of Greenfields]] ({{TA|2747}}). The Shire also suffered because of the [[Long Winter]] ({{TA|2758}}) soon followed by the [[Days of Dearth]] ({{TA|2760}}) and the [[Fell Winter (Third Age)|Fell Winter]] ({{TA|2911}}) when [[White Wolves]] entered the Shire.<br />
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During the [[War of the Ring]] the Shire was first visited by the Nine [[Nazgûl|Ringwraiths]] and then, while the Rangers were off to the War, the Shire was defenceless. It was captured by [[Saruman]] and [[Lotho Sackville-Baggins]] who lead evil [[Men]]. It was liberated with the help of [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]], [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]], [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]] and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]] after the end of the War through their victory at the [[Battle of Bywater]].<br />
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But the damage which Saruman caused by forced industrialisation was undone by the Hobbits' efforts. The Shire was restored with soil from [[Lothlórien]], given to Sam by [[Galadriel]]. {{TA|3021}} was considered to be the most productive and prosperous year in their history.<br />
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With [[Aragorn]]'s return as the King of [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], the Shire became in {{FoA|6}} a Free Land, protected enclave inside the [[Reunited Kingdom]]. He is known to have issued an order that forbade the entrance of full-sized [[Men]] into the Shire. In {{FoA|31}} King Aragorn granted Buckland officially as a part of the Shire named [[Eastmarch]], and also extended the land westwards to [[Emyn Beraid]]; this land was named [[Westmarch]].<br />
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==Administration==<br />
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - The Shire.jpg|250px|left|thumb|The Shire in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'']]Initially, The Shire was a part of Arthedain. The Hobbits considered themselves as subjects of the King and only after the fall of Arnor, the Shire became an independent political unit led by the '''[[Thain]]''' from ''[[Tuckborough]]'' who was the head of the important [[Took Family|Took clan]]. While nominally the Thain ruled over the four [[Farthings]], in practice authority was so decentralised that the title was seen as more of a formality and ceremonial.<br />
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Official of the Shire was the '''[[Mayor of Michel Delving|Mayor]]''' of [[Michel Delving]] in the [[White Downs]] (by extension seen as the mayor of the Shire). The Mayor's chief duties were serving as postmaster of the Shire's [[Messenger Service]], charging the [[Watch]] and presiding at fairs<br />
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Finally, the '''[[Master of Buckland]]''' at ''[[Bucklebury]]'' controlled [[Buckland]].<br />
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The sole law enforcement officials in the Shire were the [[Shirriffs]]. Their job was to protect the Shire from trespassers more than anything. There were three in each Farthing, and were distinguished from "civilians" by a feather worn in their caps. The [[Bounders]] were the land's border-guard, charged with turning back unwanted people or beasts, and their number varied according to need.<br />
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The Shire was originally divided in four Farthings (''[[Northfarthing]]'', ''[[Southfarthing]]'', ''[[Eastfarthing]]'', and ''[[Westfarthing]]''), but [[Buckland]] and later the [[Westmarch]] were added to it. Within the Farthings there are some smaller, unofficial divisions such as family lands: the [[Took Family|Tooks]] nearly all live in or near [[Tuckborough]] in [[Tookland]], for instance. In many cases a Hobbit's last name indicates where their family came from: [[Samwise Gamgee]]'s last name derives from ''[[Gamwich]]'', where the family originated. Outside the Farthings, Buckland itself was named for the [[Oldbucks]] (later [[Brandybuck Family|Brandybucks]]). See further ''[[Regions of the Shire]]''.<br />
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==Etymology==<br />
A "shire" ([[Old English]] ''scír'') is an organised region with a "[[Michel Delving|county-town]]".<ref name="Nomen"/><br />
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[[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] notes that in English, OE ''scír'' replaced the Germanic word for district ''gē'' (cognate, German ''Gau'', "valley, district") and in English was reduced to an element for a few old place-names, like [[wikipedia:Surrey|Surrey]] (from ''Suðer-ge'' "southern district").<ref name="Nomen">{{HM|N}}, p. 775</ref><br />
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==Inspiration==<br />
{{quote|Though a Tolkien by name, I am a Suffield by tastes, talents, and upbringing, and '''any comer of that county [Worcestershire] (however fair or squalid) is in an indefinable way 'home' to me, as no other part of the world is.'''|[[Letter 44]]}}<br />
On Tolkien's maps, the Shire is located at about the same position as England is on modern European maps and has been cited as an example of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_England#Deep_England Deep England] ideology (though, of course, England is on an island while the Shire is inside the continent). Throughout the narrative, Tolkien also implies numerous points of similarity between the two, such as weather, agriculture and dialect. One can also see England as Tolkien's source of inspiration for the Shire in its very name.<br />
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According to [[Paula Marmor]], the hobbit brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] names are related to horses, parallel to [[Wikipedia:Hengest|Hengest]] and [[Wikipedia:Horsa|Horsa]], legendary leaders who brought the Saxons to Britain. Hengest was the founder of [[Wikipedia:Kent|Kent]] whose geography is similar to the Shire (North Downs above, hills to the west, water to the east and marshes to the southeast)<ref>''[[An Introduction to Elvish]]'', An etymological excursion among the Shire Folk</ref>.<br />
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The industrialisation of the Shire was based on Tolkien's witnessing of the extension of the Industrial Revolution to rural Warwickshire during his youth, and especially the deleterious consequences thereof. The rebellion of the hobbits and the restoration of the pre-industrial Shire may be interpreted as a prescription of voluntary simplicity as a remedy to the problems of modern society.<br />
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==Portrayal in adaptations==<br />
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==Films==<br />
'''2001-03: [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]]:''''''<br />
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'''2012-14: [[The Hobbit (film series)|''The Hobbit'' (film series)]]:'''<br />
:Shire scenes were shot at the same place where shooting of [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]] took place. Unlike the previous time, Hobbiton was constructed out of permanent materials, with intention of lasting for decades.<br />
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==Games==<br />
'''2002: [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)|''The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring'' (video game)]]:'''<br />
:The first three levels of the game take place in the Shire, from [[Frodo]] leaving [[Bag End]] up until the entrance into the [[Old Forest]].<br />
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'''2003: [[The Hobbit (2003 video game)|''The Hobbit'' (2003 video game)]]:'''<br />
:The Shire is the first level of the game. Unlike the original story, Bilbo has to perform various side-quests before he ever reached [[Green Dragon]].<br />
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'''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'':'''<br />
:The Shire is a battleground appearing in Evil campaign and skirmish mode.<br />
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'''2007: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]'':'''<br />
:The Shire is one of the major regions of the game, represented almost in its entirely - of the original map by Christopher Tolkien only some parts of [[Westfarthing]] and [[Southfarthing]] are not represented. Also, part of the [[Northfarthing]] is placed within the borders of [[Evendim]] region for gameplay purposes. The Shire is inhabited by hundreds of non-playable characters, involved in hundreds of quests.<br />
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'''2009: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: Conquest]]'':'''<br />
:The Shire is one of game's battlegrounds, razed by Sauron's forces in the Evil campaign.<br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[:Category:Images of the Shire|Images of the Shire]]<br />
*[[Thain|Thains of the Shire]]<br />
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[[Category:The Shire]]<br />
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== Discussion ==<br />
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Hello.I would like to discuss about something [[Talk:Battle of Fornost|here]].<br />
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== Discussions ==<br />
Let's talk about it [[Talk:Quest of Erebor|here]], [[Talk:Arnor|here]] and [[User talk:2.86.255.128|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}<br />
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I would like to be discussed something generally.Read [[User talk:2.86.255.128#Tolkien Gateway and The Hobbit film|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}<br />
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It should be mentioned in any way that Ravenhill was the place of the final duel between Thorin and Azog in the films. {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:It should be mentioned in a way that resembles English. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Why don't you put in your own way? I mean you can write it in your own way (the fact that in Ravendill happened the final confrontation between Thorin and Azog). {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:I've done that for roughly 80% of what you've added so far. Please improve your English. This is not optional. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Complaint and Discussions ==<br />
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Fool.Why did you do that? After all I have done? After all the editings that I have done in Tolkien Gateway;Is this the way you thank me? By blogging me; Is this how you thank the others for their contribitions here? By blogging them? Congratulations.Congratulations.You should be given an award for that.This is the way you thank the others.By blogging them.Right?You are an asshole.If the only thing you know what to do is blogging them and not discussing with them, then do it again. OK? Well done.--[[User talk:2.86.255.128|2.86.255.128]] 20:25, 05 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:Blogging is writing a weblog. What I did was blocking you. Because I've had to clean up all your edits, and you still continued. Don't you look at how I (and others) rewrite your contributions? Don't you learn from that? Don't you see what we remove all the time, what we keep and what we rewrite? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:37, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Next time I would like FIRST to discuss these problems with me.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:I indicated your English was below par before. You make a mess, I clean it up. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
Why did you delete my editings on page Beorn's Hall?I am telling the truth about the filming of Beorn's Hall (where it was shot).You can check it.I am not lying. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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Also, why did you delete my editings on talk page about Tauriel(I am talking about this page:[[Talk:Tauriel]])? This my opinion. OK? Can't I say my opinion about her fate now? This is just my opinion about her fate.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:Didn't I explain enough? The English is too poor to be usable. It's not a fun thing for me to say to you, but if I don't, you'll never improve. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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All these games that I added on Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment do exist.Why didn't you put these games on this page earlier? Before me no-one else had ever said about these games on Tolkien Gateway. You could have mentioned these games earlier on Tolkien Gateway, but you didn't.Why? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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:I'm largely retired from active content editing. I still do clean up work, though. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Why?Why are you retired from active content editing? You can still create pages on Tolkien Gateway.Don't be so pessimistic about yourself. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}<br />
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== About my edit ==<br />
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Why did you undo my edit on the nazgul page? When you actually look at the battle of the morannon, you can actually see a wraith falling of his steed during the battle [http://cdn.roaring.earth/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Eagles-vs-Nazgul.png (A screenshot of the wraith in question)]<br />
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Not complaining about anything here, just asking--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 18:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:"They are taken out" covers the scene. Whether one was alive or dead is speculation. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
::Ah okay. Also tbh i wonder what would happen if one survived the destruction of the ring--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 04:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Battle under the Trees ==<br />
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First of all, thanks for reminding me not to capitalize under. Obviously a bit miffed you deleted it so quickly, but admittedly there was a bit of conjecture in it. I would point out that by putting 'maybe' I clearly labled my conjecture, whereas there are plenty of articles that don't, for example: 'The battle was incredibly important in the course of the War of the Ring: if Sauron's Easterling armies had beaten the Dwarves and Men of Dale, they would have been able to join up with Sauron's forces from Dol Guldur in their attacks on the Woodland Realm of Mirkwood and Lothlórien, tipping the scales in favor of Mordor.'<br />
I don't see how saying that Thranduil's army in Mirkwood would have probably exceeded that in 2941 is much more problematic. Anyway, what I'm proposing is that I write a more basic version of the article, then submit it to you or another administrator before saving it. Frankly, the Gateway's current stuff on the War of the Ring is pretty poor, and we could really do with a few short articles on the battles. The current War template leaves out half the conflict. It's fair enough to get rid of conjecture, but I'll happily do that for you. {{unsigned|Hazad}}<br />
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:I didn't delete it quickly - not as quickly as I've deleted other articles. I was busy copy editing it, fixing the sources and everything, but without all the speculation, there really wasn't much of a history section left. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 05:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::Hazad: IIRC, there was a discussion about having an article about a "Battle under the Trees" a couple of years ago, ultimately reaching a consensus similar to Michael Martinez' [http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/10/12/what-was-the-battle-of-mirkwood/ thoughts on the subject]. Thus, if there are details missing about the battle(s) in Mirkwood, I would advise adding these to the [[Mirkwood#History|history section of Mirkwood]]. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 06:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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OK, thanks for getting back to me. I have read that Martinez article and to be honest I think it's a bit below his usual standards, in that when Tolkien writes 'battle under the trees' he is clearly referring to Mirkwood in particular, rather than Mirkwood and Lorien. But anyhow no matter. While I'm asking, why is the War of the Elves and Sauron page protected, when it's marked as in need of expansion? (really needs to be added to, the only reference is Appendix B)<br />
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== What did I do wrong with the Warg matriarch image? ==<br />
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No offense but i seriously have no idea what you meant with "no source" when you deleted the image<br />
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As for the infobox, i couldnt do much better since im on an ipad and the editing interface doesnt work that well on my ipad--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 19:47, 26 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:All images need a source category and subject categories. I deleted that one because I couldn't guess which of the three it was from. You like it? You source it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh now i get it. Guess ill reupload it tomorrow since i know where its from--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 21:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::And the other two images? what was wrong with those? {{unsigned|LordAndSaviourSauron}}<br />
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:::Duplicates of each other, and no point to illustrate it on the article. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:34, 27 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::::Oh, but idk if an image of how the eye appears in the hobbit would actually be pointless, since it looks quite different than what the eye looked like in LOTR.--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 20:33, 27 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looked fairly similar. If they're different, describe the differences on the relevant page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Limpe ==<br />
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Hi, I was adding some information on the drink Limpe which is canon. Look it up. And it's not copyrighted. I have the darn link right here as proof.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_food_and_drink_in_Middle-earth#Limp.C3.ABSo could you kindly tell me the reason for the deletion please? {{unsigned|Tolkienfan31}}<br />
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:It had no source, no proper layout, no proper markup, the wrong title, no categories... It wasn't an article, it was juse a random line. There's more to an article than being right or wrong. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 04:44, 25 August 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== About my talk page ==<br />
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Just blanked it cause the discussions on it didn’t really have a point anymore and to make space for new stuff--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 16:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:It's a public record of all communications to you. There's no need to "archive" it unless it's really a long page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:39, 20 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::Also why are you editing my signature?--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 15:50, 22 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::Do not use "Heil". Ever. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::::The way I’m using it is a joke tho (it’s a parody)--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 16:18, 22 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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:::::That is not a joking matter. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:32, 22 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Whatever--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Insert unfunny orc joke here]] 16:01, 23 October 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Tolkien Ancestry ==<br />
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Hi!<br />
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I would like to ask if it is possible to update all entries concerning the Tolkien Family history. My research in the Tolkien genealogy has changed a lot in this matter. See for instance here:<br />
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http://tolkniety.blogspot.com/2017/05/john-benjamin-tolkien-1753-1819-summary.html<br />
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Now we are 100% sure that first two Tolkiens in London were brothers, sons of Christian and Anna Euphrosina Tolkien from Petershagen in Gdańsk (German Danzig). The Professor's great-great-grandfather was born in June 1752 and was baptized in St Salvator Lutheran church in Gdańsk. His brother emmigrated in 1766 first to Amsterdam, then in 1770 to London. His younger brother, Johann Benjamin joined him in ca. 1772. Both brothers married the English girls and Daniel became furrie and John Benjamin a clock and watch maker.<br />
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Their father was born in Kreuzburg, East Prussia in 1706. We know also the other generations:<br />
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The Tolkien family from Prussia <br />
(15th-17th c.)|Michel Tolkien (b. ca. 1620, Globuhnen by Kreuzburg, Prussia)|Christianus Tolkien <br />
(1663-1746, Kreuzburg, Kingdom of Prussia)|Christian Tolkien (b. 1706 in Kreuzburg, d. 1791 in Gdańsk, Polish Prussia)= Anna Euphrosina Tolkien, née Bergholtz (1719-1792)|Johann (John) Benjamin Tolkien (b. 1752 in Gdańsk, d. 1819 in London)|George Tolkien (1784-1840)<br />
|John Benjamin Tolkien(1807-1896)|Arthur Reuel Tolkien(1857-1896)|John Ronald Reuel Tolkien(1892-1973)<br />
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The Tolkien family name belongs to a big Prussian family of names with the ending -in, -yn, -ien, -iehn and comes from Tolk-īn 'a descendant of Tolk'. Tolk is a Prussian name meaning 'translator, negotiator'<br />
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The Tolkiens in the 16th-18th centuries lives in East Prussia. You will not find the Tolkiens in Saxony, because it is a Prussian family of medieval roots in the Teutonic State. {{unsigned|Galadhorn}}<br />
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:The current text is what Tolkien himself believed to be the origin of his family and family name. He mentioned it multiple times - [[Letter 165]] and [[Letter 324]], for example. He explicitly dismisses the association with Tolk- ("interpreter", "spokesman") in [[Letter 349]]. Even if that blog were true - I'm not saying it isn't - outright removing the current text and replacing it with things that contradict it is not the way to go. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:45, 22 November 2017 (UTC)<br />
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I am sorry. I am not a Wikipedist, I have problems with proper editing in the places like this. I undestrand, Ederchil your position. The clue is that Professor Tolkien couldn't know things we know today. My research is known to the Tolkien family today, it is already accepted by the Tolkien Society (see their website) and is included in the newest "The J.R.R. Tolkien. Companion and Guide". I spent last year in the archives to find the truth about the Tolkien genealogy. Only you know how to enter the information from me into your Tolkien Gateway. Plese, think about including the information about the roots in Gdańsk and East Prussia. And about the alternative etymology of the Tolkien family name. {{unsigned|Galadhorn}}<br />
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:I have no problems with including it, as long as it is properly sourced and the current is not removed. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:23, 22 November 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Can you help me with it, Ederchil? As a source you can cite Ch. Scull, W. G. Hammond, "The J.R.R. Tolkien Companion and Guide" (2017), G 828, 1298. When they publish my article in the "Tolkien Studies" there will be another source for the Tolkien Gateway (I will inform you about the publication). Or you can quote the Tolkien Society website: https://www.tolkiensociety.org/author/biography/<br />
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"The name “Tolkien” (pron.: Tol-keen; equal stress on both syllables) was believed by the family (including Tolkien himself) to be of German origin; Toll-kühn: foolishly brave, or stupidly clever—hence the pseudonym “Oxymore” which he occasionally used; however, this quite probably was a German rationalisation of an originally Baltic Tolkyn, or Tolkīn. In any case, his great-great grandfather John (Johann) Benjamin Tolkien came to Britain with his brother Daniel from Gdańsk in about 1772 and rapidly became thoroughly Anglicised."<br />
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I am very weak as a Wikipedist. I don't understand the language of the coding in here. Please, help me.<br />
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== Lots of time to learn, my boy ==<br />
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It is clear you bring your own view, only, to this Wiki.<br />
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A moderator's task is to intervene when new users first stray from your narrow course.<br />
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Not after much effort.<br />
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This is clearly habitual.<br />
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Now I see why so many Wiki's exist on this topic.<br />
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Some even allow flexibility and detail.<br />
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You are young and I hope you have the time to really understand Tolkien's great Work.<br />
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There seems to be a lot of Noldor in your ATTITUDE.<br />
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But it's YOUR Wiki, so...<br />
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[[User:Fudoki|Fudoki]] 21:00, 31 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:So much for the skin of Ironfoot. Wait, was the skin of Ironfoot ever mentioned? Guess not. Silly me.<br />
:I admire that you want to help out. But putting in effort does not automatically mean it's a well-written summary of the life of Fingon. It was practically unsalvageable, a jumbled collection of clauses.<br />
:I'm not young by most standards, and I'm more Dwarf than Noldo. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== "Other" label ==<br />
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You wrote "again, this is not what Other is for" in the Elured and Elurin articles... So I repeat what I asked in the Talk:Elwing page: Given the fact that Eluréd, Elurín and Elwing present some difficulties in being classified in terms of elf/man/half-elf, why not use a neutral label? Despite the name "other", the label is an empty one, the character in question is not put in some list of "strange races" or nothing like that. See [[Falathar]] and companions: they were elves or men, but we don't know exactly what they are, so the "other" label was applied in their articles. If you insist this is wrong, I think a third way should be find, because the "elf" label doesn't seem right to me: Dior was mortal, your sons couldn't be elves. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 19:31, 1 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:Those two are three quarters Elf. They're more Elvish than Half-elves. And even Half-elves are still identified by their Elvenness (they're not called Half-men) so giving them a undetermined elf infobox is still better than lumping them with "race unknown" and "race too small for their own infobox". --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:: You explore a very subjective line of argumentation, percentage of elvish blood and the word "half-elf"... I don't see why this so personal thinking would be better, instead of a neutral label - "race unknown" and "race too small for their own infobox" is another subjective vision of yours, nothing in the box says that - or even a “sinda” label, for example... But whatever, I think you had a pet peeve with my editions since the beginning, reverting them and writing hardly nothing, and now have found a new way to continue disagreeing - particularly because this argumentation of yours is a new one, you insisted earlier on restoring the "half-elf" label, and, indeed, you replaced Elurín in the Category:Half-Elves and it still remain so... [[User:Haran|Haran]] 21:07, 2 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Unnecessary block? ==<br />
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What did you block [[User:JaquelineKitchen]] for? She (I'm assuming it is "she") had not done anything wrong...--[[User:DoctorWellington|DoctorWellington]] 14:27, 25 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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:It's a spambot. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay, I understand now. Thanks for expalaining. --[[User:DoctorWellington|DoctorWellington]] 13:23, 27 July 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== Verwijder mijn gebruikersnaam AUB ==<br />
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Verwijder mijn gebruikersnaam AUB. Ik heb valide informative toegevoegd. Vervolgens wordt dit verwijderd. Daar heb ik geen zin in. Dan maar niet. {{unsigned|PeterNC}}<br />
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:Er zijn zoveel fans wereldwijd dat we toch enige grenzen moeten stellen. Mensen die boeken of artikelen gepubliceerd hebben krijgen voorrang. <br />
:Ik heb nog geprobeerd om het te herschrijven, maar er was bar weinig aan te doen. Sommige delen waren woord voor woord (en dode link voor dode link) overgenomen van [[Haradrim (Tolkien Society)]] en andere waren niet meer dan reclame. Dat het valide is betekent niet dat wij het in de aangeboden vorm maar moeten gebruiken. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)<br />
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== parabombing what?! ==<br />
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But what the matter with my edits??? They are not vandalism, this is a fact that spiders don't have stingers, if Shelob was born in the First Age, she's obviously be several millenia old, and square kilometer converting is also useful for somebody not mastering well Anglo-Saxon metric system.</div>193.54.167.180https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_One_Ring&diff=301646The One Ring2018-11-15T17:54:40Z<p>193.54.167.180: /* Appearance */</p>
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| caption="The One Ring" by [[John Howe]]<br />
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| othernames=Ruling Ring, Master-ring, Great Ring, the One, Ring of Rings, Ring of Power, Ring of Doom, Isildur's Bane, the Burden, Precious<br />
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{{quote|Now the Elves made many rings; but secretly Sauron made One Ring to rule all the others, and their power was bound up with it, to be subject wholly to it and to last only so long as it too should last.|''[[The Silmarillion]]'', "[[Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age]]"}}<br />
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The '''One Ring''' was an artefact created by the [[Dark Lord]] [[Sauron]] in the [[Second Age]] for the purpose of ruling over the [[Free peoples]] of [[Middle-earth]], mainly the [[Elves]]. <br />
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It was also known as the '''Ruling Ring''', '''Great Ring of Power''' and '''Isildur's Bane'''( due to it causing the death of [[Isildur]]). In the [[Ring Verse]] it is referred to as '''Ash Nazg''' in [[Black Speech]].<ref name=council/><br />
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== History ==<br />
===Origin and creation===<br />
[[Image:Ted Nasmith - The Forging of the One.jpg|thumb|left|[[Ted Nasmith]] - ''The Forging of the One'']]<br />
During the [[Second Age]], the Dark Lord [[Sauron]] persuaded [[Celebrimbor]] and his people, the [[Elves|Elven]] smiths of [[Eregion]], to forge the [[Rings of Power]]. Secretly, Sauron returned to [[Orodruin]] and forged the One Ring in its fires.<ref name=RoP>{{S|Rings}}</ref> <br />
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It was made as the Master Ring, the One Ring which would control all the others, and dominate their bearers. Sauron allowed much of his will and power to go into it. Thus, he was at his most powerful when wearing the Ring; however, it also caused his power to weaken considerably if he was not in possession of it. Although it appeared to be made of simple gold, the Ring was virtually impervious to damage, and could only be destroyed in the very fires where it had originally been forged - [[Orodruin]].<ref name=council>{{FR|Council}}</ref><br />
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===The Dark Years===<br />
When Celebrimbor and the other Ring-bearers realized Sauron's treachery, they took off their Rings, as while they were wearing them, Sauron knew where they were, and went to war with him. This war, the [[War of the Elves and Sauron]] destroyed Eregion and devastated much of Eriador. Sauron conquered and was able to claim all the Rings of Power (except the [[Three Rings|Three]]) and distribute them.<ref name=RoP/> During the era known as the [[Dark Years]], Sauron became master of almost all of Middle-earth beyond the coasts and was known as the [[Dark Lord]] of [[Mordor]]. He raised [[Barad-dûr]] near [[Mount Doom]], constructed the [[Black Gate]] of Mordor to prevent invasion, and raised massive armies of [[Orcs]], [[Trolls]], and Men, chiefly [[Easterlings]] and [[Haradrim|Southrons]].<br />
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The power of the Ring allowed Sauron to link with it some of his works, such as [[Barad-dûr]].<ref name=council/> With the Ring he controlled the [[Nine Rings]] that were given to nine mortal Men, who were corrupted and turned into the [[Nazgûl]], his chief servants. However, he was unable to control the [[Seven Rings]] of the [[Dwarves|Dwarf-lords]], because of their different, more hearty nature, and natural resistance against domination by others.<ref name=RoP /><br />
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Sauron's rise offended the arrogant [[Númenóreans]], who attacked him with great force of arms. The forces of Sauron fled the onslaught, and Sauron realized that he could not overcome the Númenòreans through military might. Sauron allowed himself to be taken as a hostage to Númenor by King [[Ar-Pharazôn]]. There, he quickly grew from captive to adviser and was known as '''Tar-Mairon'''; he corrupted many Númenóreans using the power of the Ring<ref>{{L|211}}</ref> and eventually convinced the king to rebel against the [[Valar]], resulting in the [[Downfall of Númenor]]. Sauron was diminished in the destruction and his spirit (presumably with the Ring) fled back to Mordor, where he slowly rebuilt his strength.<br />
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When the [[Faithful]] Númenóreans founded the [[Realms in Exile]], Sauron began an offence against [[Gondor]], which was one of those realms; the Elves and the Númenóreans formed the [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men|Last Alliance]] against Sauron, who was vanquished by [[Elendil]] and [[Gil-galad]]. Prince [[Isildur]] then cut the ring from his fingers and took it for himself.<br />
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===After Sauron===<br />
Isildur was corrupted by a great desire for the Ring, and he took it for his own, instead of destroying it as should have been done. Though he bought it "with great pain", Isildur considered the Ring a most precious heirloom of his house, and documented its properties upon the [[Scroll of Isildur|a scroll he wrote]] in [[Minas Tirith]].<ref name=council/> He kept it around his neck as he travelled back to [[Arnor]]; but his party was attacked by a group of [[Orcs]] during the [[Disaster of the Gladden Fields]]. Isildur jumped into the [[Gladden River]] to escape, but the Ring betrayed him and slipped off his finger, and was lost in the [[Gladden River]]. Isildur was revealed to the Orcs when he climbed out of the river, and he was shot. <br />
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King - Sméagol2.jpg|thumb|left|Sméagol]]<br />
The Ring remained hidden in the riverbed for over two millennia, despite [[Saruman]] and his many attempts to locate the ring, until it was discovered on a fishing trip by a [[Stoors|Stoor]] named [[Déagol]]. Once again, the Ring's evil powers acted upon Déagol's friend and relative, [[Sméagol]], who murdered Déagol and took the Ring for himself. Over many ages, Sméagol was changed by the Ring's influence into the creature called [[Gollum]] (which is what he called himself, as it was similar to a sound he made). The Ring manipulated Gollum into settling in the [[Misty Mountains]] near [[Mirkwood]], where Sauron was beginning to resurface. There he and the Ring remained for nearly five hundred years, until the Ring tired of him. Then, wishing to be discovered by a new keeper, and so thus find its way back to its Master, it fell off Gollum's finger as he was returning from hunting a [[Orcs#Orcs and Goblins|Goblin]].<br />
[[File:David T. Wenzel - Bilbo finds the One Ring.jpg|thumb|[[David T. Wenzel]] - Bilbo finds the One Ring]]<br />
[[File:Darrell Sweet - The Riddle Game.jpg|left|thumb|Darrell Sweet - ''The Riddle-game'']]<br />
The Ring was discovered in the Third Age by a hobbit, [[Bilbo Baggins]], who had been separated from his party of Dwarves and become lost in the caverns of the Misty Mountains, near Gollum's lair. After losing the [[Riddle-game]] to Bilbo, Gollum sneaked off to fetch his "[[Precious]]" (as he always called the One Ring), so that he could kill Bilbo and eat him. But when Gollum arrived at his island, he found that the Ring was missing, and he let out a great wail. Deducing from Bilbo's last question--"What have I got in my pocket?"--that Bilbo had taken it, Gollum chased the hobbit through the caves, not knowing that Bilbo had discovered the Ring's powers of invisibility and was following him to the cave's exit. Bilbo escaped Gollum and the Orcs who inhabited the Misty Mountains by remaining invisible (although he lost a few of his nice brass buttons.) When he told the story to the [[Dwarves]] and Gandalf, however, he left the Ring out of the story. But Bilbo was aware that Gandalf suspected the presence of his magic Ring. Later on Bilbo was forced to tell the Dwarves about the Ring, to preserve their lives and continue their journey to Erebor.<br />
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Gollum, meanwhile, eventually left the Misty Mountains to track down and reclaim the Ring. He wandered for decades, only to be captured and interrogated by Sauron himself, to whom he revealed the existence of Bilbo and the Shire. <br />
[[File:Paul Rivoche - Frodo and Gandalf.jpg|thumb|Paul Rivoche - ''Frodo and Gandalf'']]<br />
In {{TA|3001}}, following Gandalf's counsel, Bilbo gave the Ring to his nephew and adopted heir [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]. This first willing renunciation of the Ring in its history sparked the chain of events which eventually led to its unmaking. Gandalf was suspicious about the effect it had on Bilbo and went to [[Minas Tirith]] and found Isildur's account on the Ring, being lost since his death. He returned to [[Hobbiton]] and tested Frodo's Ring in fire, only to confirm his fears since the letters described by Isildur appeared upon it.<br />
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By this time Sauron had begun to regain his power, and the [[Barad-dûr|Dark Tower]] in Mordor had been rebuilt. The [[War of the Ring]] had begun. Gandalf urged Frodo to carry the Ring to [[Rivendell]] where the Wise would decide their actions. Despite Gandalf's warnings, Frodo did wear the Ring several times during his journey. On [[Weathertop]] he was tempted by the Ring to wear it and evade the Ringwraiths, only to make him more visible to them and to be wounded by a [[Morgul-knife]].<br />
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In order to prevent the recapture of the Ring, Frodo and eight other [[Fellowship of the Ring|companions]] set out from [[Rivendell]] for Mordor in an attempt to destroy the Ring in the fires of [[Mount Doom]]. During the quest, Frodo gradually became more and more susceptible to the Ring's power, and feared that it was going to corrupt him. When he and Sam discovered that Gollum was on their trail and "tamed" him into guiding them to Mordor, he began to feel a strange bond with the wretched, treacherous creature, seeing a possible future of himself that he felt he had to save in order to save himself. Gollum gave in to the Ring's temptation, however, and betrayed them to the spider [[Shelob]] who stung Frodo. Believing Frodo to be dead, Sam bore the Ring himself for a short time, and glimpsed its power, although he never gave in to it. <br />
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Sam rescued Frodo from a band of Orcs at the Tower of [[Cirith Ungol]] and returned the Ring to him, but feared that the toll it was taking was too great. It nearly was: although Frodo and Sam, followed by Gollum, eventually arrived at Mount Doom, Frodo decided to keep the Ring for himself rather than destroy it, evincing its corruptive nature. However, he was attacked by Gollum, who bit off the finger holding the Ring before falling into the fires of Mount Doom, finally destroying the Ring, and Sauron with it.<br />
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== Appearance ==<br />
Physically the Ring resembled a geometrically perfect circle of pure gold, this perfection and purity being part of its allure. Unlike the lesser Rings, it bore no gem. It seems to have been able to expand and contract, in order to fit its wearer's finger or slip from it treacherously (to avoid losing it, Frodo attached the ring to a chain around his neck). Its identity could be determined by a simple (though little-known) test: when heated in fire, fine lines of fire, forming a script, would appear running along on the inside and outside of the Ring.<ref>{{FR|Shadow}}</ref> The letters were an [[Ring Verse|inscription]] in [[Tengwar]] of the [[Black Speech]] of Mordor, citing a section of poetry from part of its lore:<br />
[[Image:One ring.png|right|300px]]<br />
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:''Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,''<br />
:''ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.''<br />
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Which translates to:<br />
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:''One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,''<br />
:''One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.''<br />
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==Effects==<br />
[[Image:Roger Thomasson - The One Ring.jpg|thumb|left|''The One Ring'' by [[Roger Thomasson]].]]<br />
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Like all Rings of Power, the One Ring enhanced the natural powers of its bearer, and it could also be used to decelerate decay and change in the world.<ref name=L131>{{L|131}}</ref> But unlike the other rings, the One Ring was forged by Sauron alone without any Elvish assistance<ref name=RoP /> and was entirely evil. A person who bore the Ring could more easily dominate and command others; for instance, Sauron used this power to help convince the Númenóreans to attack [[Valinor]],<ref>{{L|211}}</ref> and Boromir desired to use this power to gain loyal subjects who would attack Mordor.<ref>{{FR|Breaking}}</ref> The Ring also allowed its bearer to see and control the thoughts of anyone who bore any other Ring of Power.<ref name=RoP /> <br />
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When [[Men]] wore the Ring, they would be partly "shifted" out of the physical realm into the [[wraith-world]]. A side effect (but usually the first noticed) of the Ring was that it made the wearer invisible to most inhabitants of the physical realm (but highly visible to the [[Nazgûl]]), it dimmed the wearer's sight, and it sharpened his hearing. When Men wore the ring, only their faint and shaky shadow could be seen, and only in the full light of the sun.<ref>{{H|5}}</ref> This "shadow world" was the world which Wraiths inhabited, but also where the [[Calaquendi]] (Elves of Light) lived at the same time as the normal world and held great power, as was evidenced by [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] viewing [[Glorfindel]] at the Ford of [[Bruinen]] near [[Rivendell]]<ref>{{FR|Flight}}</ref> and later explained by [[Gandalf]].<ref>{{FR|Meetings}}</ref> If a bearer managed to consciously subdue the Ring's will with his own, he could wield the powers that Sauron had before he lost the Ring; notably, he could control the will of others.<br />
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Part of the nature of the Ring was that it slowly and inevitably corrupted its wearer, regardless of any intentions to the contrary. Whether this was specifically designed into the Ring's magic or was simply an artefact of its evil origins is unknown. (Sauron might be expected to endow his One Ring with such a property, but he probably never intended anyone besides himself to wear it. It may be a side-effect of the portion of Sauron's will that lies within the Ring, influencing the wearer.) For this reason, the Wise, including [[Gandalf]], [[Elrond]] and [[Galadriel]], refused to wield it in their own defence, but instead determined that it must be destroyed. It appears that Hobbits, being more pure of heart than Men and far less powerful than Elves, were the ideal vessels to resist its seductive power; this explains why Frodo and Bilbo bore it for long periods of time with very little ill effect. Even Gollum had not turned into a Wraith after 500 years of bearing the Ring.<br />
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The enigmatic [[Tom Bombadil]] was unaffected by the Ring, or rather, the Ring had no effect on him. This may be explained in many ways. (See the [[Tom Bombadil/Nature|article on Tom Bombadil]], which includes some theories.)<br />
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==Inspiration==<br />
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Tolkien scholar [[John D. Rateliff]] has at length discussed five different rings of invisibility which occur in works that predate Tolkien's: <br />
*Plato's [[Wikipedia:Ring of Gyges|Ring of Gyges]] (ca. 390 BC), <br />
*the magic ring in [[Wikipedia:Chrétien de Troyes|Chrétien de Troyes]]' ''[[Wikipedia:Yvain, the Knight of the Lion|Yvain, the Knight of the Lion]]'' (ca. 1177);<br />
*[[Wikipedia:Angelica (character)|Angelica]]'s ring, of French Renaissance literature;<br />
*the Fairy's ring appearing in the tale "The Enchanted Ring" (by [[Wikipedia:François Fénelon|François Fénelon]]) in [[Wikipedia:Andrew Lang|Andrew Lang]]'s ''[[Wikipedia:Andrew Lang's Fairy Books|The Green Fairy Book]]'' (a collection of fairy-tales referred to by Tolkien in his [[On Fairy-Stories|Andrew Lang lecture]]);<ref group=note>The "Fairy's ring" was first noted by [[Douglas A. Anderson]]. Cf. {{HM|AH}}, p. 133.</ref><br />
*the witch-maiden's ring in an Estonian folktale (ca. 1866) from the ''[[Wikipedia:Kalevipoeg|Kalevipoeg]]'', translated as "[[Wikipedia:The Dragon of the North|The Dragon of the North]]" in ''[[Wikipedia:Andrew Lang's Fairy Books|The Yellow Fairy Book]]'' (1894).<br />
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Rateliff's proposes that the ring most likely to have provided an inspiration for Tolkien is a version of Chrétien's tale, namely Owein's ring in the [[Welsh]] ''[[Wikipedia:Three Welsh Romances#Owain, or the Lady of the Fountain|Owain, or the Lady of the Fountain]]''. He also regards the rings in Fénelon's and Plato's stories as possible influences, but concludes that: "''the primary influence on Frodo's ring is in fact'' The Hobbit ''itself: here, as so often, Tolkien is his own main source''".<ref>{{HM|HHO}}, pp. 176-182</ref> <br />
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It has also been suggested that the One Ring may have been inspired by the [[Wikipedia:Ring of Silvianus|Ring of Silvianus]] and its inscribed curse. The hypothesis is based on Tolkien gaining knowledge about the Ring of Silvianus through the archaeologist [[Wikipedia:Mortimer Wheeler|Mortimer Wheeler]], for whom Tolkien wrote the text "[[The Name 'Nodens']]".<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.lotrplaza.com/showthread.php?55657-A-Ring-with-a-Curse&p=563861#post563861|articlename=A Ring with a Curse|dated=|website=Plaza|accessed=10 April 2013}}</ref> However, Tolkien scholars [[Wayne G. Hammond]] and [[Christina Scull]] have pointed out that there is no "''evidence, or good reason to believe, that Tolkien was inspired by the Roman ring''".<ref>{{webcite|author=[[Wayne G. Hammond]], [[Christina Scull]]|articleurl=http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mythsoc/conversations/topics/24198|articlename=Re:Tolkien and Nodens in the news this morning (message 24198)|dated=9 April 2013|website=Mythsoc|accessed=23 November 2013}}</ref><br />
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==Other versions of the Legendarium==<br />
In order to counter the notion that ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' was inspired from [[wikipedia:World War II|World War II]], Tolkien himself provided a "what if" scenario in the Foreword to ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' that shows what would happen should the Ring be used against [[Sauron]]. Tolkien explained that if he had WWII in mind, then the [[Free peoples]] would enslave Sauron with the power of the Ring against him, and occupy [[Mordor]]. [[Saruman]] (whose treachery would remain secret) would then use the Ring-lore found in Mordor to create a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of [[Middle-earth]].<ref>{{FR|Foreword}}</ref><br />
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==Portrayal in adaptations==<br />
<center><gallery> <br />
Image:LOTR-vol2-ring1.png|The One Ring in ''[[The Lord of the Rings, Vol. II: The Two Towers]]''<br />
File:The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring (video game) - Frodo Baggins and the One Ring.JPG|The One Ring in [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)|''The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring'' (video game)]]<br />
Image:The Hobbit (2003) One Ring.JPG|The One Ring in [[The Hobbit (2003 video game)|''The Hobbit'' (2003 video game)]]<br />
Image:The Lord of the Rings War in the North - One Ring3.jpg|The One Ring in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]]''<br />
Image:Lego One Ring.png|The One Ring as a ''[[Lego]] mini figure''<br />
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'''2011: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]]'':'''<br />
:The One Ring is shown in the introduction of the game. In [[the Prancing Pony]] [[Aragorn]] refers to [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and the Ring as a "Hobbit with an important burden".<ref>[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]], ''Prologue''</ref><br />
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==See also==<br />
* [[Gwaith-i-Mírdain]]<br />
* [[Annatar]]<br />
* [[Orodruin]]<br />
* [[Celebrimbor]]<br />
* [[Rings of Power]]<br />
* [[War of the Elves and Sauron]]<br />
* [[Disaster of the Gladden Fields]]<br />
* [[Gollum]]<br />
* ''[[The Hobbit]]''<br />
* ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''<br />
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'''Shelob''' was a great spider-like creature akin to those of [[Nan Dungortheb]] in [[Beleriand]], the last offspring of the demonic [[Ungoliant]].<br />
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==History== <br />
Shelob was born during the [[Elder Days]], to the spider-like demon Ungoliant, who mated with (and devoured) the spider-creatures of the [[Ered Gorgoroth]]. She dwelt for many years in [[Nan Dungortheb]] with her countless brothers and sisters, even after Ungoliant ventured elsewhere.<br />
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Shelob fled from ruin (apparently the [[War of Wrath]]) and established her lair high in the mountains of [[Mordor]] at least in the first centuries of the [[Second Age]], before [[Sauron]] claimed that land as his own. She mated with her offspring which she slew, and her descendants were to be seen in [[Ephel Dúath]] and [[Mirkwood]].<ref name=lair>{{TT|Lair}}</ref><ref name=guide/> <br />
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Shelob fed off all living things, such as [[Elves]] and [[Men]], but as these became scarce in the area, she fed upon [[orcs]].<ref name=lair/> Sauron would sometimes send her captured prisoners for whom he had no further use and amuse himself watching how she played with her prey. Even though they did not communicate, Sauron and Shelob understood each other. She served as a secure guardian of the pass of [[Cirith Ungol]] to prevent any intruders from entering the dark land.<br />
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[[File:Eytan Eylul Guler - Shelob and Sam.jpg|230px|thumb|left|Eytan Eylul Guler - ''Shelob and Sam'']]<br />
While looking for [[the One Ring]], [[Gollum]] was trapped by her, but he managed somehow to communicate with her and promised to bring her more food if she released him. Indeed, Gollum (whom the orcs of the [[Tower of Cirith Ungol]] call "Shelob's Sneak") brought [[Samwise Gamgee]] and [[Frodo Baggins]] near her Lair while seeking [[Mount Doom]].<br />
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While put off by the [[Phial of Galadriel]] in the tunnels, she intercepted them again outside and attacked Frodo, stinging him into a death-like coma. Sam managed to defeat her by letting her impale herself upon [[Sting]] (after he tried unsuccessfully to pierce her very tough hide) when she tried to crush him under her massive body and using all power of the Phial of Galadriel to blind her. Wounded, she fled to her lair and was not seen for the remainder of Lord of the Rings.<br />
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Thinking Frodo dead, Sam took the One Ring from him and left his body behind, but discovered later that Shelob's venom was not intended to kill its victims but only to render them unconscious and keep their meat fresh.<br />
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Shelob may have eventually died of starvation caused by her inability to hunt while blind.<ref name=guide>{{HM|Guide}}, p. 353, entry "Shelob"</ref><br />
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==Etymology==<br />
The name ''Shelob'' is derived from "lob", an archaic English word for spider. A variation, "cob" is the derivation of the word "cobweb". The first element, "she", simply mentions the spider's gender.<ref>{{L|70}}</ref><br />
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[[Robert Foster]] mistakenly classified the name as [[Sindarin]], failing to provide a translation.<ref name=guide/><br />
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==Genealogy==<br />
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==Portrayal in adaptations==<br />
'''1981: [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1981 radio series)]]:'''<br />
:Shelob was voiced by [[Jenny Lee]]. Lee had no dialogue, but hissed to convey Shelob's menace, then made a bubbling noise to suggest the passing of her poison into Frodo. Finally, she made a roaring sound during her fight with Sam to convey her pain when Sam's thrusts found their mark. <br />
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[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King - Shelob's face.jpg|thumb|right|Shelob's face from [[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]].]]<br />
'''2003: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'''''<br />
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:Shelob can be seen to have a retractable venomous sting at the rear end between the spinnerets, resembling a wasp's sting. This is very much unlike real spiders which inject venom with their fangs but accurate relative to the novel. Shelob also appears to have a gaping mouth, whereas real spiders can ingest only liquid.<br />
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:In the book, on the other hand, "clusters" of eyes are mentioned, which may suggest compound eyes like those of insects; the Shelob in the movie does ''not'' have compound eyes, which is appropriate. A hunting spider of the family [[wikipedia:Lycosidae|Lycosidae]],{{fact}} which Shelob most closely resembles, would have two large eyes facing forward, and a few smaller ones almost hidden below. The only spiders that can reasonably be said to have "clustered" eyes (though not true compound eyes) are the daddy long-legs spiders of the family Pholcidae, but Shelob does not resemble these rather spindly and fragile spiders in other aspects of her physique.<br />
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'''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is a playable hero for the Goblins faction, and appears in the fifth level of the Evil Campaign, "Mirkwood", where she has apparently joined the [[Mouth of Sauron]] on his mission to take the [[Old Forest Road]]. During the level, Shelob can be used to recruit the Spiders of Mirkwood, as they are her children, and will obey her if she is sent to their nest. She also appears during the final mission, "Rivendell", alongside the other villains.<br />
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'''2014: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor]]'''''<br />
:Though unseen, Shelob is identified in the Appendices as the mother of the Ungol spiders that are encountered throughout Mordor. She is also referred to as the Spider Queen, a title that wasn't given to her in the book. An artefact, a "Crushed Ungol Egg", shows that Shelob initially lived in Mordor itself with Sauron and his servants, until it became apparent that Shelob would disobey Sauron, so he banished her to the pass of Cirith Ungol, and forbade her from laying any more eggs on his land. According to the "Ungol" article in the Appendices, Shelob has taken an interest in the recent events occurring in Mordor, though it is unclear to what extent. <br />
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'''2017: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of War]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is voiced by Pollyanna McIntosh, and plays a prominent role early in the game. This portrayal of Shelob is unique in that she is able to assume a fair form, as a raven-haired woman in a black dress. She can also project visions of the future into a person's mind. She ensnares the wraith of [[Celebrimbor]] and holds him prisoner at the start of the game. She releases him after Talion surrenders their newly-forged Ring of Power to her. After Minas Ithil is conquered by Sauron's forces, the Ringwraiths are sent to seize the Ring from her. After the Nine are driven away, she gives the Ring back to Talion and tells him to forge an army to conquer Mordor.<br />
: Reading her memories, which are found throughout Mordor, reveals a number of details of her life, including a romantic relationship she once had with Sauron.<br />
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* [[:Category:Images of Shelob|Images of Shelob]]<br />
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| titles=<br />
| position=<br />
| location=[[Nan Dungortheb]] ([[First Age]])<br/>[[Cirith Ungol]] (from [[Second Age]]) <br />
| affiliation=<br />
| language=<br />
| birth=[[First Age]]<br />
| birthlocation=<br />
| rule=<br />
| death=unknown<br />
| deathlocation=<br />
| age=at least several millennia, since she was born in the First Age<br />
| notablefor=Attacking [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]]<br />
| parentage=[[Ungoliant]] (parent)<br />
| siblings=<br />
| spouse=<br />
| children=[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]<br />
| race=[[Spiders|Spider]]<br />
| gender=Female<br />
| height=<br />
| hair=none<br />
| eyes=<br />
| clothing=none<br />
| weapons=a stinger (ordinary spiders have no stingers)<br />
| steed=<br />
}}<br />
'''Shelob''' was a great spider-like creature akin to those of [[Nan Dungortheb]] in [[Beleriand]], the last offspring of the demonic [[Ungoliant]].<br />
<br />
==History== <br />
Shelob was born during the [[Elder Days]], to the spider-like demon Ungoliant, who mated with (and devoured) the spider-creatures of the [[Ered Gorgoroth]]. She dwelt for many years in [[Nan Dungortheb]] with her countless brothers and sisters, even after Ungoliant ventured elsewhere.<br />
<br />
Shelob fled from ruin (apparently the [[War of Wrath]]) and established her lair high in the mountains of [[Mordor]] at least in the first centuries of the [[Second Age]], before [[Sauron]] claimed that land as his own. She mated with her offspring which she slew, and her descendants were to be seen in [[Ephel Dúath]] and [[Mirkwood]].<ref name=lair>{{TT|Lair}}</ref><ref name=guide/> <br />
<br />
Shelob fed off all living things, such as [[Elves]] and [[Men]], but as these became scarce in the area, she fed upon [[orcs]].<ref name=lair/> Sauron would sometimes send her captured prisoners for whom he had no further use and amuse himself watching how she played with her prey. Even though they did not communicate, Sauron and Shelob understood each other. She served as a secure guardian of the pass of [[Cirith Ungol]] to prevent any intruders from entering the dark land.<br />
<br />
[[File:Eytan Eylul Guler - Shelob and Sam.jpg|230px|thumb|left|Eytan Eylul Guler - ''Shelob and Sam'']]<br />
While looking for [[the One Ring]], [[Gollum]] was trapped by her, but he managed somehow to communicate with her and promised to bring her more food if she released him. Indeed, Gollum (whom the orcs of the [[Tower of Cirith Ungol]] call "Shelob's Sneak") brought [[Samwise Gamgee]] and [[Frodo Baggins]] near her Lair while seeking [[Mount Doom]].<br />
<br />
While put off by the [[Phial of Galadriel]] in the tunnels, she intercepted them again outside and attacked Frodo, stinging him into a death-like coma. Sam managed to defeat her by letting her impale herself upon [[Sting]] when she tried to crush him under her massive body and using all power of the Phial of Galadriel to blind her. Wounded, she fled to her lair and was not seen for the remainder of Lord of the Rings.<br />
<br />
Thinking Frodo dead, Sam took the One Ring from him and left his body behind, but discovered later that Shelob's venom was not intended to kill its victims but only to render them unconscious and keep their meat fresh.<br />
<br />
Shelob may have eventually died of starvation caused by her inability to hunt while blind.<ref name=guide>{{HM|Guide}}, p. 353, entry "Shelob"</ref><br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
The name ''Shelob'' is derived from "lob", an archaic English word for spider. A variation, "cob" is the derivation of the word "cobweb". The first element, "she", simply mentions the spider's gender.<ref>{{L|70}}</ref><br />
<br />
[[Robert Foster]] mistakenly classified the name as [[Sindarin]], failing to provide a translation.<ref name=guide/><br />
<br />
==Genealogy==<br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| | | UNG | | | |UNG=[[Ungoliant]]</br><small>''fl. {{YT|1495}}''</small>}}<br />
{{familytree| |,|-|^|~|7| | |}}<br />
{{familytree| SHE | | NAN | |SHE='''SHELOB'''</br><small>''fl. {{TA|3019}}''</small>|NAN=''[[Spiders]] of [[Nan Dungortheb]]''}}<br />
{{familytree| |:| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| MIR | | | | | |MIR=''[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]''}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br />
==Portrayal in adaptations==<br />
'''1981: [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1981 radio series)]]:'''<br />
:Shelob was voiced by [[Jenny Lee]]. Lee had no dialogue, but hissed to convey Shelob's menace, then made a bubbling noise to suggest the passing of her poison into Frodo. Finally, she made a roaring sound during her fight with Sam to convey her pain when Sam's thrusts found their mark. <br />
<br />
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King - Shelob's face.jpg|thumb|right|Shelob's face from [[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]].]]<br />
'''2003: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'''''<br />
<br />
:Shelob can be seen to have a retractable venomous sting at the rear end between the spinnerets, resembling a wasp's sting. This is very much unlike real spiders which inject venom with their fangs but accurate relative to the novel. Shelob also appears to have a gaping mouth, whereas real spiders can ingest only liquid.<br />
<br />
:In the book, on the other hand, "clusters" of eyes are mentioned, which may suggest compound eyes like those of insects; the Shelob in the movie does ''not'' have compound eyes, which is appropriate. A hunting spider of the family [[wikipedia:Lycosidae|Lycosidae]],{{fact}} which Shelob most closely resembles, would have two large eyes facing forward, and a few smaller ones almost hidden below. The only spiders that can reasonably be said to have "clustered" eyes (though not true compound eyes) are the daddy long-legs spiders of the family Pholcidae, but Shelob does not resemble these rather spindly and fragile spiders in other aspects of her physique.<br />
<br />
'''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is a playable hero for the Goblins faction, and appears in the fifth level of the Evil Campaign, "Mirkwood", where she has apparently joined the [[Mouth of Sauron]] on his mission to take the [[Old Forest Road]]. During the level, Shelob can be used to recruit the Spiders of Mirkwood, as they are her children, and will obey her if she is sent to their nest. She also appears during the final mission, "Rivendell", alongside the other villains.<br />
<br />
'''2014: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor]]'''''<br />
:Though unseen, Shelob is identified in the Appendices as the mother of the Ungol spiders that are encountered throughout Mordor. She is also referred to as the Spider Queen, a title that wasn't given to her in the book. An artefact, a "Crushed Ungol Egg", shows that Shelob initially lived in Mordor itself with Sauron and his servants, until it became apparent that Shelob would disobey Sauron, so he banished her to the pass of Cirith Ungol, and forbade her from laying any more eggs on his land. According to the "Ungol" article in the Appendices, Shelob has taken an interest in the recent events occurring in Mordor, though it is unclear to what extent. <br />
<br />
'''2017: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of War]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is voiced by Pollyanna McIntosh, and plays a prominent role early in the game. This portrayal of Shelob is unique in that she is able to assume a fair form, as a raven-haired woman in a black dress. She can also project visions of the future into a person's mind. She ensnares the wraith of [[Celebrimbor]] and holds him prisoner at the start of the game. She releases him after Talion surrenders their newly-forged Ring of Power to her. After Minas Ithil is conquered by Sauron's forces, the Ringwraiths are sent to seize the Ring from her. After the Nine are driven away, she gives the Ring back to Talion and tells him to forge an army to conquer Mordor.<br />
: Reading her memories, which are found throughout Mordor, reveals a number of details of her life, including a romantic relationship she once had with Sauron.<br />
{{references}}<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Shelob|Images of Shelob]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Characters in The Lord of the Rings]]<br />
[[Category:Spirits]]<br />
[[Category:Spiders]]<br />
[[Category:Third Age characters]]<br />
[[Category:Evil]]<br />
<br />
[[de:Kankra]]<br />
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/animaux/araignees/arachne]]<br />
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{{evil infobox<br />
| name=Shelob<br />
| image=[[File:John Howe - Sam and Shelob.jpg|250px]]<br />
| caption="Sam and Shelob" by [[John Howe]]<br />
| pronun=<br />
| othernames=Her Ladyship, She<br />
| titles=<br />
| position=<br />
| location=[[Nan Dungortheb]] ([[First Age]])<br/>[[Cirith Ungol]] (from [[Second Age]]) <br />
| affiliation=<br />
| language=<br />
| birth=[[First Age]]<br />
| birthlocation=<br />
| rule=<br />
| death=<br />
| deathlocation=<br />
| age=being born in the First Age, at least several millennia<br />
| notablefor=Attacking [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]]<br />
| parentage=[[Ungoliant]] (parent)<br />
| siblings=<br />
| spouse=<br />
| children=[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]<br />
| race=[[Spiders|Spider]]<br />
| gender=Female<br />
| height=<br />
| hair=none<br />
| eyes=<br />
| clothing=none<br />
| weapons=a stinger (ordinary spiders have no stingers)<br />
| steed=<br />
}}<br />
'''Shelob''' was a great spider-like creature akin to those of [[Nan Dungortheb]] in [[Beleriand]], the last offspring of the demonic [[Ungoliant]].<br />
<br />
==History== <br />
Shelob was born during the [[Elder Days]], to the spider-like demon Ungoliant, who mated with (and devoured) the spider-creatures of the [[Ered Gorgoroth]]. She dwelt for many years in [[Nan Dungortheb]] with her countless brothers and sisters, even after Ungoliant ventured elsewhere.<br />
<br />
Shelob fled from ruin (apparently the [[War of Wrath]]) and established her lair high in the mountains of [[Mordor]] at least in the first centuries of the [[Second Age]], before [[Sauron]] claimed that land as his own. She mated with her offspring which she slew, and her descendants were to be seen in [[Ephel Dúath]] and [[Mirkwood]].<ref name=lair>{{TT|Lair}}</ref><ref name=guide/> <br />
<br />
Shelob fed off all living things, such as [[Elves]] and [[Men]], but as these became scarce in the area, she fed upon [[orcs]].<ref name=lair/> Sauron would sometimes send her captured prisoners for whom he had no further use and amuse himself watching how she played with her prey. Even though they did not communicate, Sauron and Shelob understood each other. She served as a secure guardian of the pass of [[Cirith Ungol]] to prevent any intruders from entering the dark land.<br />
<br />
[[File:Eytan Eylul Guler - Shelob and Sam.jpg|230px|thumb|left|Eytan Eylul Guler - ''Shelob and Sam'']]<br />
While looking for [[the One Ring]], [[Gollum]] was trapped by her, but he managed somehow to communicate with her and promised to bring her more food if she released him. Indeed, Gollum (whom the orcs of the [[Tower of Cirith Ungol]] call "Shelob's Sneak") brought [[Samwise Gamgee]] and [[Frodo Baggins]] near her Lair while seeking [[Mount Doom]].<br />
<br />
While put off by the [[Phial of Galadriel]] in the tunnels, she intercepted them again outside and attacked Frodo, stinging him into a death-like coma. Sam managed to defeat her by letting her impale herself upon [[Sting]] when she tried to crush him under her massive body and using all power of the Phial of Galadriel to blind her. Wounded, she fled to her lair and was not seen for the remainder of Lord of the Rings.<br />
<br />
Thinking Frodo dead, Sam took the One Ring from him and left his body behind, but discovered later that Shelob's venom was not intended to kill its victims but only to render them unconscious and keep their meat fresh.<br />
<br />
Shelob may have eventually died of starvation caused by her inability to hunt while blind.<ref name=guide>{{HM|Guide}}, p. 353, entry "Shelob"</ref><br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
The name ''Shelob'' is derived from "lob", an archaic English word for spider. A variation, "cob" is the derivation of the word "cobweb". The first element, "she", simply mentions the spider's gender.<ref>{{L|70}}</ref><br />
<br />
[[Robert Foster]] mistakenly classified the name as [[Sindarin]], failing to provide a translation.<ref name=guide/><br />
<br />
==Genealogy==<br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| | | UNG | | | |UNG=[[Ungoliant]]</br><small>''fl. {{YT|1495}}''</small>}}<br />
{{familytree| |,|-|^|~|7| | |}}<br />
{{familytree| SHE | | NAN | |SHE='''SHELOB'''</br><small>''fl. {{TA|3019}}''</small>|NAN=''[[Spiders]] of [[Nan Dungortheb]]''}}<br />
{{familytree| |:| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| MIR | | | | | |MIR=''[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]''}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br />
==Portrayal in adaptations==<br />
'''1981: [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1981 radio series)]]:'''<br />
:Shelob was voiced by [[Jenny Lee]]. Lee had no dialogue, but hissed to convey Shelob's menace, then made a bubbling noise to suggest the passing of her poison into Frodo. Finally, she made a roaring sound during her fight with Sam to convey her pain when Sam's thrusts found their mark. <br />
<br />
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King - Shelob's face.jpg|thumb|right|Shelob's face from [[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]].]]<br />
'''2003: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'''''<br />
<br />
:Shelob can be seen to have a retractable venomous sting at the rear end between the spinnerets, resembling a wasp's sting. This is very much unlike real spiders which inject venom with their fangs but accurate relative to the novel. Shelob also appears to have a gaping mouth, whereas real spiders can ingest only liquid.<br />
<br />
:In the book, on the other hand, "clusters" of eyes are mentioned, which may suggest compound eyes like those of insects; the Shelob in the movie does ''not'' have compound eyes, which is appropriate. A hunting spider of the family [[wikipedia:Lycosidae|Lycosidae]],{{fact}} which Shelob most closely resembles, would have two large eyes facing forward, and a few smaller ones almost hidden below. The only spiders that can reasonably be said to have "clustered" eyes (though not true compound eyes) are the daddy long-legs spiders of the family Pholcidae, but Shelob does not resemble these rather spindly and fragile spiders in other aspects of her physique.<br />
<br />
'''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is a playable hero for the Goblins faction, and appears in the fifth level of the Evil Campaign, "Mirkwood", where she has apparently joined the [[Mouth of Sauron]] on his mission to take the [[Old Forest Road]]. During the level, Shelob can be used to recruit the Spiders of Mirkwood, as they are her children, and will obey her if she is sent to their nest. She also appears during the final mission, "Rivendell", alongside the other villains.<br />
<br />
'''2014: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor]]'''''<br />
:Though unseen, Shelob is identified in the Appendices as the mother of the Ungol spiders that are encountered throughout Mordor. She is also referred to as the Spider Queen, a title that wasn't given to her in the book. An artefact, a "Crushed Ungol Egg", shows that Shelob initially lived in Mordor itself with Sauron and his servants, until it became apparent that Shelob would disobey Sauron, so he banished her to the pass of Cirith Ungol, and forbade her from laying any more eggs on his land. According to the "Ungol" article in the Appendices, Shelob has taken an interest in the recent events occurring in Mordor, though it is unclear to what extent. <br />
<br />
'''2017: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of War]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is voiced by Pollyanna McIntosh, and plays a prominent role early in the game. This portrayal of Shelob is unique in that she is able to assume a fair form, as a raven-haired woman in a black dress. She can also project visions of the future into a person's mind. She ensnares the wraith of [[Celebrimbor]] and holds him prisoner at the start of the game. She releases him after Talion surrenders their newly-forged Ring of Power to her. After Minas Ithil is conquered by Sauron's forces, the Ringwraiths are sent to seize the Ring from her. After the Nine are driven away, she gives the Ring back to Talion and tells him to forge an army to conquer Mordor.<br />
: Reading her memories, which are found throughout Mordor, reveals a number of details of her life, including a romantic relationship she once had with Sauron.<br />
{{references}}<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Shelob|Images of Shelob]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Characters in The Lord of the Rings]]<br />
[[Category:Spirits]]<br />
[[Category:Spiders]]<br />
[[Category:Third Age characters]]<br />
[[Category:Evil]]<br />
<br />
[[de:Kankra]]<br />
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/animaux/araignees/arachne]]<br />
[[fi:Lukitari]]</div>193.54.167.180https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Shelob&diff=301640Shelob2018-11-15T17:23:38Z<p>193.54.167.180: Undo revision 301380 by Ederchil (talk) Why reverting useful information ?</p>
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{{evil infobox<br />
| name=Shelob<br />
| image=[[File:John Howe - Sam and Shelob.jpg|250px]]<br />
| caption="Sam and Shelob" by [[John Howe]]<br />
| pronun=<br />
| othernames=Her Ladyship, She<br />
| titles=<br />
| position=<br />
| location=[[Nan Dungortheb]] ([[First Age]])<br/>[[Cirith Ungol]] (from [[Second Age]]) <br />
| affiliation=<br />
| language=<br />
| birth=[[First Age]]<br />
| birthlocation=<br />
| rule=<br />
| death=<br />
| deathlocation=<br />
| age=unknown - being born in the First Age, at least several millennia<br />
| notablefor=Attacking [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]]<br />
| parentage=[[Ungoliant]] (parent)<br />
| siblings=<br />
| spouse=<br />
| children=[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]<br />
| race=[[Spiders|Spider]]<br />
| gender=Female<br />
| height=<br />
| hair=<br />
| eyes=<br />
| clothing=<br />
| weapons=a stinger (ordinary spiders have no stingers, only chelicerae)<br />
| steed=<br />
}}<br />
'''Shelob''' was a great spider-like creature akin to those of [[Nan Dungortheb]] in [[Beleriand]], the last offspring of the demonic [[Ungoliant]].<br />
<br />
==History== <br />
Shelob was born during the [[Elder Days]], to the spider-like demon Ungoliant, who mated with (and devoured) the spider-creatures of the [[Ered Gorgoroth]]. She dwelt for many years in [[Nan Dungortheb]] with her countless brothers and sisters, even after Ungoliant ventured elsewhere.<br />
<br />
Shelob fled from ruin (apparently the [[War of Wrath]]) and established her lair high in the mountains of [[Mordor]] at least in the first centuries of the [[Second Age]], before [[Sauron]] claimed that land as his own. She mated with her offspring which she slew, and her descendants were to be seen in [[Ephel Dúath]] and [[Mirkwood]].<ref name=lair>{{TT|Lair}}</ref><ref name=guide/> <br />
<br />
Shelob fed off all living things, such as [[Elves]] and [[Men]], but as these became scarce in the area, she fed upon [[orcs]].<ref name=lair/> Sauron would sometimes send her captured prisoners for whom he had no further use and amuse himself watching how she played with her prey. Even though they did not communicate, Sauron and Shelob understood each other. She served as a secure guardian of the pass of [[Cirith Ungol]] to prevent any intruders from entering the dark land.<br />
<br />
[[File:Eytan Eylul Guler - Shelob and Sam.jpg|230px|thumb|left|Eytan Eylul Guler - ''Shelob and Sam'']]<br />
While looking for [[the One Ring]], [[Gollum]] was trapped by her, but he managed somehow to communicate with her and promised to bring her more food if she released him. Indeed, Gollum (whom the orcs of the [[Tower of Cirith Ungol]] call "Shelob's Sneak") brought [[Samwise Gamgee]] and [[Frodo Baggins]] near her Lair while seeking [[Mount Doom]].<br />
<br />
While put off by the [[Phial of Galadriel]] in the tunnels, she intercepted them again outside and attacked Frodo, stinging him into a death-like coma. Sam managed to defeat her by letting her impale herself upon [[Sting]] when she tried to crush him under her massive body and using all power of the Phial of Galadriel to blind her. Wounded, she fled to her lair and was not seen for the remainder of Lord of the Rings.<br />
<br />
Thinking Frodo dead, Sam took the One Ring from him and left his body behind, but discovered later that Shelob's venom was not intended to kill its victims but only to render them unconscious and keep their meat fresh.<br />
<br />
Shelob may have eventually died of starvation caused by her inability to hunt while blind.<ref name=guide>{{HM|Guide}}, p. 353, entry "Shelob"</ref><br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
The name ''Shelob'' is derived from "lob", an archaic English word for spider. A variation, "cob" is the derivation of the word "cobweb". The first element, "she", simply mentions the spider's gender.<ref>{{L|70}}</ref><br />
<br />
[[Robert Foster]] mistakenly classified the name as [[Sindarin]], failing to provide a translation.<ref name=guide/><br />
<br />
==Genealogy==<br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| | | UNG | | | |UNG=[[Ungoliant]]</br><small>''fl. {{YT|1495}}''</small>}}<br />
{{familytree| |,|-|^|~|7| | |}}<br />
{{familytree| SHE | | NAN | |SHE='''SHELOB'''</br><small>''fl. {{TA|3019}}''</small>|NAN=''[[Spiders]] of [[Nan Dungortheb]]''}}<br />
{{familytree| |:| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| MIR | | | | | |MIR=''[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]''}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br />
==Portrayal in adaptations==<br />
'''1981: [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1981 radio series)]]:'''<br />
:Shelob was voiced by [[Jenny Lee]]. Lee had no dialogue, but hissed to convey Shelob's menace, then made a bubbling noise to suggest the passing of her poison into Frodo. Finally, she made a roaring sound during her fight with Sam to convey her pain when Sam's thrusts found their mark. <br />
<br />
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King - Shelob's face.jpg|thumb|right|Shelob's face from [[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]].]]<br />
'''2003: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'''''<br />
<br />
:Shelob can be seen to have a retractable venomous sting at the rear end between the spinnerets, resembling a wasp's sting. This is very much unlike real spiders which inject venom with their fangs but accurate relative to the novel. Shelob also appears to have a gaping mouth, whereas real spiders can ingest only liquid.<br />
<br />
:In the book, on the other hand, "clusters" of eyes are mentioned, which may suggest compound eyes like those of insects; the Shelob in the movie does ''not'' have compound eyes, which is appropriate. A hunting spider of the family [[wikipedia:Lycosidae|Lycosidae]],{{fact}} which Shelob most closely resembles, would have two large eyes facing forward, and a few smaller ones almost hidden below. The only spiders that can reasonably be said to have "clustered" eyes (though not true compound eyes) are the daddy long-legs spiders of the family Pholcidae, but Shelob does not resemble these rather spindly and fragile spiders in other aspects of her physique.<br />
<br />
'''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is a playable hero for the Goblins faction, and appears in the fifth level of the Evil Campaign, "Mirkwood", where she has apparently joined the [[Mouth of Sauron]] on his mission to take the [[Old Forest Road]]. During the level, Shelob can be used to recruit the Spiders of Mirkwood, as they are her children, and will obey her if she is sent to their nest. She also appears during the final mission, "Rivendell", alongside the other villains.<br />
<br />
'''2014: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor]]'''''<br />
:Though unseen, Shelob is identified in the Appendices as the mother of the Ungol spiders that are encountered throughout Mordor. She is also referred to as the Spider Queen, a title that wasn't given to her in the book. An artefact, a "Crushed Ungol Egg", shows that Shelob initially lived in Mordor itself with Sauron and his servants, until it became apparent that Shelob would disobey Sauron, so he banished her to the pass of Cirith Ungol, and forbade her from laying any more eggs on his land. According to the "Ungol" article in the Appendices, Shelob has taken an interest in the recent events occurring in Mordor, though it is unclear to what extent. <br />
<br />
'''2017: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of War]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is voiced by Pollyanna McIntosh, and plays a prominent role early in the game. This portrayal of Shelob is unique in that she is able to assume a fair form, as a raven-haired woman in a black dress. She can also project visions of the future into a person's mind. She ensnares the wraith of [[Celebrimbor]] and holds him prisoner at the start of the game. She releases him after Talion surrenders their newly-forged Ring of Power to her. After Minas Ithil is conquered by Sauron's forces, the Ringwraiths are sent to seize the Ring from her. After the Nine are driven away, she gives the Ring back to Talion and tells him to forge an army to conquer Mordor.<br />
: Reading her memories, which are found throughout Mordor, reveals a number of details of her life, including a romantic relationship she once had with Sauron.<br />
{{references}}<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Shelob|Images of Shelob]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Characters in The Lord of the Rings]]<br />
[[Category:Spirits]]<br />
[[Category:Spiders]]<br />
[[Category:Third Age characters]]<br />
[[Category:Evil]]<br />
<br />
[[de:Kankra]]<br />
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{{location infobox<br />
| name=The Shire<br />
| image=[[File:Ted Nasmith - Green Hill Morning.jpg|250px]]<br />
| caption="Green Hill Morning" by [[Ted Nasmith]]<br />
| pronun=<br />
| othernames=[[Sûza]] ("Shire" in [[Westron]])<ref name="AppF">{{App|F}}</ref>;<br><br />
''I Drann'' (“The Shire” in [[Sindarin]])<ref>[[Vinyar Tengwar 31]], pp. 21-22; [[Sauron Defeated]],p. 129</ref><br />
| location=[[Eriador]]<br />
| type=[[Region]]<br />
| description=<br />
| regions=[[Eastfarthing]], [[Southfarthing]], [[Northfarthing]], [[Westfarthing]]; [[Buckland]], [[Westmarch]]; [[Bridgefields]], [[Green Hill Country]], [[Marish]], [[Tookland]], [[Woody End]]<br />
| towns=[[Bywater]], [[Hobbiton]], [[Michel Delving]], [[Tuckborough]] <br />
| inhabitants=[[Hobbits]]<br />
| created={{TA|1601}}<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><ref name="AppB2">{{App|B2}}</ref><br/>{{SR|1452}} - [[Westmarch]] added to the Shire<ref name="AppB5">{{App|B5}}</ref><br />
| destroyed=<br />
| events=[[Battle of Greenfields]]<br/>[[Battle of Bywater]]<br />
}}<br />
'''The Shire''' was a region in [[Eriador]] inhabited by [[Hobbits]].<br />
<br />
==Geography==<br />
The Shire is described as a small but beautiful and fruitful land, beloved by its inhabitants. The Hobbits had an extensive agricultural system in the Shire, but did not proceed with industrialisation. Various supplies could be found in the Shire, including cereals, fruit, wood and [[pipe-weed]] (a favourite treat of Hobbits).<br />
<br />
The Shire was quite densely populated in parts with many villages and a few towns, but it still was open enough to allow for wide forested areas and marshes. There were green, rolling hills and freshly tilled earth, along with gardens and flower boxes on window sills.<br />
<br />
Thanks to the protective presence of the [[Rangers of the North]] in the lands of the former Arnor, the Shire for centuries ignored the wide world outside, despite being traversed by the [[Great East Road]].<br />
<br />
From the west to the east, the Shire originally measured 40 leagues (120 [[Númenóreans|Númenórean]] miles) from the [[Far Downs]] to the [[Brandywine Bridge]]. From the north to the south, it measured 50 leagues (150 Númenórean miles) from the northern moors to the marshes in the south.<ref name="FRHobbits"/> The total area of the shire must have extended roughly about 20,000 square miles (52,000 km²).<ref group="note">[[Robert Foster]] estimates the total area of the Shire to be "about 18,000 square miles" (47,000 km²), slightly smaller than a country such as [[Wikipedia:Dominican Republic|the Dominican Republic]]; [[Karen Wynn Fonstad]] has calculated a larger figure, about 21,400 square miles (55,600 km²), slightly smaller than a country such as [[Wikipedia:Croatia|Croatia]]. See: {{HM|Guide}}, entry "Shire" and {{HM|AME}}, revised edn (London: HarperCollins, 1991), p. 69</ref><br />
<br />
In {{SR|1452}}, [[Aragorn|King Elessar]] gave the [[Westmarch]] to the [[Shire-hobbits]] as a gift. This extended the western boundaries of the Shire to the [[Tower Hills]].<ref name="AppB5"/> [[Buckland]], to the east of the Brandywine, remained an independent region occupied by [[Hobbits]].<br />
<br />
[[File:Christopher Tolkien - A Part of the Shire.jpg|thumb|500px|center|''[[A Part of the Shire]]'' by [[Christopher Tolkien]]]]<br />
<br />
The original boundaries of the Shire were as follows:<ref name="FRHobbits"/><br />
<br />
{{navigation<br />
| title=Boundaries of the Shire<br />
| north-west=<br />
| north=[[North Moors]]<br />
| north-east=<br />
| west=The [[Far Downs]]<br />
| east=The [[Baranduin|Brandywine River]]<br />
| south-west=<br />
| south=South Marshes<br />
| south-east=<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
<!--"See also" in Eriador#Foundation of the Shire links here--><br />
The Shire was a fertile and well-tilled part of [[Arnor]], but deserted during the waning days of the Kingdom when it was known as the splinter-realm of [[Arthedain]]; it had been the hunting grounds of the [[King of Arnor]]. The [[Hobbits]] (who lived in [[Dunland]] and parts of depopulated [[Cardolan]] and [[Rhudaur]]) got official permission from King [[Argeleb II]] at Norbury ([[Fornost]]) to settle the lands. This was finally done in [[Third Age 1601]] (Year 1 in Shire Reckoning) by Hobbits from [[Bree]], led by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]].<br />
<br />
[[File:Ted Nasmith - One Morning Long Ago.jpg|thumb|left|[[Ted Nasmith]] - ''One Morning Long Ago''.]]<br />
By 30 years later, almost all of the Hobbits of Middle-earth could be found in the Shire. The [[Shire-hobbits]] considered themselves as subjects of the [[Kings of Arthedain|King]], at least nominally, considering the isolation of their country. Nevertheless the Hobbits sent some support troops to the great battles Arnor fought against [[Angmar]]. After the fall of Arnor, the Shire remained a minor but independent political unit and the title of [[Thain]] was established to fill the absence of a Kingship.<br />
<br />
Its small size, relative lack of importance, and brave and resilient Hobbit population made it too modest an objective for conquest. More important was that the Shire was guarded and protected by the [[Dúnedain]] [[Rangers of the North]] (and [[Gandalf]]), who watched the borders and kept out intruders. The only strangers to enter the Shire were the [[Dwarves]] travelling on the [[Great East Road]] that ran through the Shire to and from their mines in the [[Blue Mountains]], and the occasional [[Elves]] on their way to the [[Emyn Beraid]] or the [[Grey Havens]].<br />
<br />
In {{TA|2340}} the [[Oldbucks]] of the [[Marish]] crossed the [[Brandywine]] because of overpopulation and founded [[Buckland]].<br />
<br />
However Shire faced its adversities since it was inside the range of the [[Great Plague]] of {{TA|1636}}, and [[Orcs of the Misty Mountains|Goblins]] from [[Mount Gram]] invaded the Shire until they were driven out after the [[Battle of Greenfields]] ({{TA|2747}}). The Shire also suffered because of the [[Long Winter]] ({{TA|2758}}) soon followed by the [[Days of Dearth]] ({{TA|2760}}) and the [[Fell Winter (Third Age)|Fell Winter]] ({{TA|2911}}) when [[White Wolves]] entered the Shire.<br />
<br />
During the [[War of the Ring]] the Shire was first visited by the Nine [[Nazgûl|Ringwraiths]] and then, while the Rangers were off to the War, the Shire was defenceless. It was captured by [[Saruman]] and [[Lotho Sackville-Baggins]] who lead evil [[Men]]. It was liberated with the help of [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]], [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]], [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]] and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]] after the end of the War through their victory at the [[Battle of Bywater]].<br />
<br />
But the damage which Saruman caused by forced industrialisation was undone by the Hobbits' efforts. The Shire was restored with soil from [[Lothlórien]], given to Sam by [[Galadriel]]. {{TA|3021}} was considered to be the most productive and prosperous year in their history.<br />
<br />
With [[Aragorn]]'s return as the King of [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], the Shire became in {{FoA|6}} a Free Land, protected enclave inside the [[Reunited Kingdom]]. He is known to have issued an order that forbade the entrance of full-sized [[Men]] into the Shire. In {{FoA|31}} King Aragorn granted Buckland officially as a part of the Shire named [[Eastmarch]], and also extended the land westwards to [[Emyn Beraid]]; this land was named [[Westmarch]].<br />
<br />
==Administration==<br />
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - The Shire.jpg|250px|left|thumb|The Shire in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'']]Initially, The Shire was a part of Arthedain. The Hobbits considered themselves as subjects of the King and only after the fall of Arnor, the Shire became an independent political unit led by the '''[[Thain]]''' from ''[[Tuckborough]]'' who was the head of the important [[Took Family|Took clan]]. While nominally the Thain ruled over the four [[Farthings]], in practice authority was so decentralised that the title was seen as more of a formality and ceremonial.<br />
<br />
Official of the Shire was the '''[[Mayor of Michel Delving|Mayor]]''' of [[Michel Delving]] in the [[White Downs]] (by extension seen as the mayor of the Shire). The Mayor's chief duties were serving as postmaster of the Shire's [[Messenger Service]], charging the [[Watch]] and presiding at fairs<br />
<br />
Finally, the '''[[Master of Buckland]]''' at ''[[Bucklebury]]'' controlled [[Buckland]].<br />
<br />
The sole law enforcement officials in the Shire were the [[Shirriffs]]. Their job was to protect the Shire from trespassers more than anything. There were three in each Farthing, and were distinguished from "civilians" by a feather worn in their caps. The [[Bounders]] were the land's border-guard, charged with turning back unwanted people or beasts, and their number varied according to need.<br />
<br />
The Shire was originally divided in four Farthings (''[[Northfarthing]]'', ''[[Southfarthing]]'', ''[[Eastfarthing]]'', and ''[[Westfarthing]]''), but [[Buckland]] and later the [[Westmarch]] were added to it. Within the Farthings there are some smaller, unofficial divisions such as family lands: the [[Took Family|Tooks]] nearly all live in or near [[Tuckborough]] in [[Tookland]], for instance. In many cases a Hobbit's last name indicates where their family came from: [[Samwise Gamgee]]'s last name derives from ''[[Gamwich]]'', where the family originated. Outside the Farthings, Buckland itself was named for the [[Oldbucks]] (later [[Brandybuck Family|Brandybucks]]). See further ''[[Regions of the Shire]]''.<br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
A "shire" ([[Old English]] ''scír'') is an organised region with a "[[Michel Delving|county-town]]".<ref name="Nomen"/><br />
<br />
[[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] notes that in English, OE ''scír'' replaced the Germanic word for district ''gē'' (cognate, German ''Gau'', "valley, district") and in English was reduced to an element for a few old place-names, like [[wikipedia:Surrey|Surrey]] (from ''Suðer-ge'' "southern district").<ref name="Nomen">{{HM|N}}, p. 775</ref><br />
<br />
==Inspiration==<br />
{{quote|Though a Tolkien by name, I am a Suffield by tastes, talents, and upbringing, and '''any comer of that county [Worcestershire] (however fair or squalid) is in an indefinable way 'home' to me, as no other part of the world is.'''|[[Letter 44]]}}<br />
On Tolkien's maps, the Shire is located at about the same position as England is on modern European maps and has been cited as an example of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_England#Deep_England Deep England] ideology (though, of course, England is on an island while the Shire is inside the continent). Throughout the narrative, Tolkien also implies numerous points of similarity between the two, such as weather, agriculture and dialect. One can also see England as Tolkien's source of inspiration for the Shire in its very name.<br />
<br />
According to [[Paula Marmor]], the hobbit brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] names are related to horses, parallel to [[Wikipedia:Hengest|Hengest]] and [[Wikipedia:Horsa|Horsa]], legendary leaders who brought the Saxons to Britain. Hengest was the founder of [[Wikipedia:Kent|Kent]] whose geography is similar to the Shire (North Downs above, hills to the west, water to the east and marshes to the southeast)<ref>''[[An Introduction to Elvish]]'', An etymological excursion among the Shire Folk</ref>.<br />
<br />
The industrialisation of the Shire was based on Tolkien's witnessing of the extension of the Industrial Revolution to rural Warwickshire during his youth, and especially the deleterious consequences thereof. The rebellion of the hobbits and the restoration of the pre-industrial Shire may be interpreted as a prescription of voluntary simplicity as a remedy to the problems of modern society.<br />
<br />
==Portrayal in adaptations==<br />
{{Gallery<br />
|title=Pictures of the Shire in adaptations<br />
|height=150<br />
|width=200<br />
|lines=2<br />
|File:The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - Hobbiton.jpg|The Shire in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]''<br />
|File:The Lord of the Rings Online - The Shire map.jpg|Map of the Shire from ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]''<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Films==<br />
'''2001-03: [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]]:''''''<br />
:Shire scenes were shot on location in Matamata, New Zealand. Following the shooting, the area was returned to its natural state, but even without Hobbit holes it became a prime tourist attraction.<br />
<br />
'''2012-14: [[The Hobbit (film series)|''The Hobbit'' (film series)]]:'''<br />
:Shire scenes were shot at the same place where shooting of [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]] took place. Unlike the previous time, Hobbiton was constructed out of permanent materials, with intention of lasting for decades.<br />
<br />
==Games==<br />
'''2002: [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)|''The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring'' (video game)]]:'''<br />
:The first three levels of the game take place in the Shire, from [[Frodo]] leaving [[Bag End]] up until the entrance into the [[Old Forest]].<br />
<br />
'''2003: [[The Hobbit (2003 video game)|''The Hobbit'' (2003 video game)]]:'''<br />
:The Shire is the first level of the game. Unlike the original story, Bilbo has to perform various side-quests before he ever reached [[Green Dragon]].<br />
<br />
'''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'':'''<br />
:The Shire is a battleground appearing in Evil campaign and skirmish mode.<br />
<br />
'''2007: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]'':'''<br />
:The Shire is one of the major regions of the game, represented almost in its entirely - of the original map by Christopher Tolkien only some parts of [[Westfarthing]] and [[Southfarthing]] are not represented. Also, part of the [[Northfarthing]] is placed within the borders of [[Evendim]] region for gameplay purposes. The Shire is inhabited by hundreds of non-playable characters, involved in hundreds of quests.<br />
<br />
'''2009: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: Conquest]]'':'''<br />
:The Shire is one of game's battlegrounds, razed by Sauron's forces in the Evil campaign.<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
*[[:Category:Images of the Shire|Images of the Shire]]<br />
*[[Thain|Thains of the Shire]]<br />
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[[fr:encyclo:geographie:regions:eriador:comte]]</div>193.54.167.180https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Shire&diff=301638The Shire2018-11-15T17:18:39Z<p>193.54.167.180: km² equivalent</p>
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{{location infobox<br />
| name=The Shire<br />
| image=[[File:Ted Nasmith - Green Hill Morning.jpg|250px]]<br />
| caption="Green Hill Morning" by [[Ted Nasmith]]<br />
| pronun=<br />
| othernames=[[Sûza]] ("Shire" in [[Westron]])<ref name="AppF">{{App|F}}</ref>;<br><br />
''I Drann'' (“The Shire” in [[Sindarin]])<ref>[[Vinyar Tengwar 31]], pp. 21-22; [[Sauron Defeated]],p. 129</ref><br />
| location=[[Eriador]]<br />
| type=[[Region]]<br />
| description=<br />
| regions=[[Eastfarthing]], [[Southfarthing]], [[Northfarthing]], [[Westfarthing]]; [[Buckland]], [[Westmarch]]; [[Bridgefields]], [[Green Hill Country]], [[Marish]], [[Tookland]], [[Woody End]]<br />
| towns=[[Bywater]], [[Hobbiton]], [[Michel Delving]], [[Tuckborough]] <br />
| inhabitants=[[Hobbits]]<br />
| created={{TA|1601}}<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><ref name="AppB2">{{App|B2}}</ref><br/>{{SR|1452}} - [[Westmarch]] added to the Shire<ref name="AppB5">{{App|B5}}</ref><br />
| destroyed=<br />
| events=[[Battle of Greenfields]]<br/>[[Battle of Bywater]]<br />
}}<br />
'''The Shire''' was a region in [[Eriador]] inhabited by [[Hobbits]].<br />
<br />
==Geography==<br />
The Shire is described as a small but beautiful and fruitful land, beloved by its inhabitants. The Hobbits had an extensive agricultural system in the Shire, but did not proceed with industrialisation. Various supplies could be found in the Shire, including cereals, fruit, wood and [[pipe-weed]] (a favourite treat of Hobbits).<br />
<br />
The Shire was quite densely populated in parts with many villages and a few towns, but it still was open enough to allow for wide forested areas and marshes. There were green, rolling hills and freshly tilled earth, along with gardens and flower boxes on window sills.<br />
<br />
Thanks to the protective presence of the [[Rangers of the North]] in the lands of the former Arnor, the Shire for centuries ignored the wide world outside, despite being traversed by the [[Great East Road]].<br />
<br />
From the west to the east, the Shire originally measured 40 leagues (120 [[Númenóreans|Númenórean]] miles) from the [[Far Downs]] to the [[Brandywine Bridge]]. From the north to the south, it measured 50 leagues (150 Númenórean miles) from the northern moors to the marshes in the south.<ref name="FRHobbits"/> The total area of the shire must have extended roughly about 20,000 square miles (52,000 km²).<ref group="note">[[Robert Foster]] estimates the total area of the Shire to be "about 18,000 square miles" (47,000 km²), slightly bigger than a country such as [[Wikipedia:Dominican Republic|the Dominican Republic]]; [[Karen Wynn Fonstad]] has calculated a larger figure, about 21,400 square miles (55,600 km²), slightly smaller than a country such as [[Wikipedia:Croatia|Croatia]]. See: {{HM|Guide}}, entry "Shire" and {{HM|AME}}, revised edn (London: HarperCollins, 1991), p. 69</ref><br />
<br />
In {{SR|1452}}, [[Aragorn|King Elessar]] gave the [[Westmarch]] to the [[Shire-hobbits]] as a gift. This extended the western boundaries of the Shire to the [[Tower Hills]].<ref name="AppB5"/> [[Buckland]], to the east of the Brandywine, remained an independent region occupied by [[Hobbits]].<br />
<br />
[[File:Christopher Tolkien - A Part of the Shire.jpg|thumb|500px|center|''[[A Part of the Shire]]'' by [[Christopher Tolkien]]]]<br />
<br />
The original boundaries of the Shire were as follows:<ref name="FRHobbits"/><br />
<br />
{{navigation<br />
| title=Boundaries of the Shire<br />
| north-west=<br />
| north=[[North Moors]]<br />
| north-east=<br />
| west=The [[Far Downs]]<br />
| east=The [[Baranduin|Brandywine River]]<br />
| south-west=<br />
| south=South Marshes<br />
| south-east=<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
<!--"See also" in Eriador#Foundation of the Shire links here--><br />
The Shire was a fertile and well-tilled part of [[Arnor]], but deserted during the waning days of the Kingdom when it was known as the splinter-realm of [[Arthedain]]; it had been the hunting grounds of the [[King of Arnor]]. The [[Hobbits]] (who lived in [[Dunland]] and parts of depopulated [[Cardolan]] and [[Rhudaur]]) got official permission from King [[Argeleb II]] at Norbury ([[Fornost]]) to settle the lands. This was finally done in [[Third Age 1601]] (Year 1 in Shire Reckoning) by Hobbits from [[Bree]], led by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]].<br />
<br />
[[File:Ted Nasmith - One Morning Long Ago.jpg|thumb|left|[[Ted Nasmith]] - ''One Morning Long Ago''.]]<br />
By 30 years later, almost all of the Hobbits of Middle-earth could be found in the Shire. The [[Shire-hobbits]] considered themselves as subjects of the [[Kings of Arthedain|King]], at least nominally, considering the isolation of their country. Nevertheless the Hobbits sent some support troops to the great battles Arnor fought against [[Angmar]]. After the fall of Arnor, the Shire remained a minor but independent political unit and the title of [[Thain]] was established to fill the absence of a Kingship.<br />
<br />
Its small size, relative lack of importance, and brave and resilient Hobbit population made it too modest an objective for conquest. More important was that the Shire was guarded and protected by the [[Dúnedain]] [[Rangers of the North]] (and [[Gandalf]]), who watched the borders and kept out intruders. The only strangers to enter the Shire were the [[Dwarves]] travelling on the [[Great East Road]] that ran through the Shire to and from their mines in the [[Blue Mountains]], and the occasional [[Elves]] on their way to the [[Emyn Beraid]] or the [[Grey Havens]].<br />
<br />
In {{TA|2340}} the [[Oldbucks]] of the [[Marish]] crossed the [[Brandywine]] because of overpopulation and founded [[Buckland]].<br />
<br />
However Shire faced its adversities since it was inside the range of the [[Great Plague]] of {{TA|1636}}, and [[Orcs of the Misty Mountains|Goblins]] from [[Mount Gram]] invaded the Shire until they were driven out after the [[Battle of Greenfields]] ({{TA|2747}}). The Shire also suffered because of the [[Long Winter]] ({{TA|2758}}) soon followed by the [[Days of Dearth]] ({{TA|2760}}) and the [[Fell Winter (Third Age)|Fell Winter]] ({{TA|2911}}) when [[White Wolves]] entered the Shire.<br />
<br />
During the [[War of the Ring]] the Shire was first visited by the Nine [[Nazgûl|Ringwraiths]] and then, while the Rangers were off to the War, the Shire was defenceless. It was captured by [[Saruman]] and [[Lotho Sackville-Baggins]] who lead evil [[Men]]. It was liberated with the help of [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]], [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]], [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]] and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]] after the end of the War through their victory at the [[Battle of Bywater]].<br />
<br />
But the damage which Saruman caused by forced industrialisation was undone by the Hobbits' efforts. The Shire was restored with soil from [[Lothlórien]], given to Sam by [[Galadriel]]. {{TA|3021}} was considered to be the most productive and prosperous year in their history.<br />
<br />
With [[Aragorn]]'s return as the King of [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], the Shire became in {{FoA|6}} a Free Land, protected enclave inside the [[Reunited Kingdom]]. He is known to have issued an order that forbade the entrance of full-sized [[Men]] into the Shire. In {{FoA|31}} King Aragorn granted Buckland officially as a part of the Shire named [[Eastmarch]], and also extended the land westwards to [[Emyn Beraid]]; this land was named [[Westmarch]].<br />
<br />
==Administration==<br />
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - The Shire.jpg|250px|left|thumb|The Shire in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'']]Initially, The Shire was a part of Arthedain. The Hobbits considered themselves as subjects of the King and only after the fall of Arnor, the Shire became an independent political unit led by the '''[[Thain]]''' from ''[[Tuckborough]]'' who was the head of the important [[Took Family|Took clan]]. While nominally the Thain ruled over the four [[Farthings]], in practice authority was so decentralised that the title was seen as more of a formality and ceremonial.<br />
<br />
Official of the Shire was the '''[[Mayor of Michel Delving|Mayor]]''' of [[Michel Delving]] in the [[White Downs]] (by extension seen as the mayor of the Shire). The Mayor's chief duties were serving as postmaster of the Shire's [[Messenger Service]], charging the [[Watch]] and presiding at fairs<br />
<br />
Finally, the '''[[Master of Buckland]]''' at ''[[Bucklebury]]'' controlled [[Buckland]].<br />
<br />
The sole law enforcement officials in the Shire were the [[Shirriffs]]. Their job was to protect the Shire from trespassers more than anything. There were three in each Farthing, and were distinguished from "civilians" by a feather worn in their caps. The [[Bounders]] were the land's border-guard, charged with turning back unwanted people or beasts, and their number varied according to need.<br />
<br />
The Shire was originally divided in four Farthings (''[[Northfarthing]]'', ''[[Southfarthing]]'', ''[[Eastfarthing]]'', and ''[[Westfarthing]]''), but [[Buckland]] and later the [[Westmarch]] were added to it. Within the Farthings there are some smaller, unofficial divisions such as family lands: the [[Took Family|Tooks]] nearly all live in or near [[Tuckborough]] in [[Tookland]], for instance. In many cases a Hobbit's last name indicates where their family came from: [[Samwise Gamgee]]'s last name derives from ''[[Gamwich]]'', where the family originated. Outside the Farthings, Buckland itself was named for the [[Oldbucks]] (later [[Brandybuck Family|Brandybucks]]). See further ''[[Regions of the Shire]]''.<br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
A "shire" ([[Old English]] ''scír'') is an organised region with a "[[Michel Delving|county-town]]".<ref name="Nomen"/><br />
<br />
[[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] notes that in English, OE ''scír'' replaced the Germanic word for district ''gē'' (cognate, German ''Gau'', "valley, district") and in English was reduced to an element for a few old place-names, like [[wikipedia:Surrey|Surrey]] (from ''Suðer-ge'' "southern district").<ref name="Nomen">{{HM|N}}, p. 775</ref><br />
<br />
==Inspiration==<br />
{{quote|Though a Tolkien by name, I am a Suffield by tastes, talents, and upbringing, and '''any comer of that county [Worcestershire] (however fair or squalid) is in an indefinable way 'home' to me, as no other part of the world is.'''|[[Letter 44]]}}<br />
On Tolkien's maps, the Shire is located at about the same position as England is on modern European maps and has been cited as an example of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_England#Deep_England Deep England] ideology (though, of course, England is on an island while the Shire is inside the continent). Throughout the narrative, Tolkien also implies numerous points of similarity between the two, such as weather, agriculture and dialect. One can also see England as Tolkien's source of inspiration for the Shire in its very name.<br />
<br />
According to [[Paula Marmor]], the hobbit brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] names are related to horses, parallel to [[Wikipedia:Hengest|Hengest]] and [[Wikipedia:Horsa|Horsa]], legendary leaders who brought the Saxons to Britain. Hengest was the founder of [[Wikipedia:Kent|Kent]] whose geography is similar to the Shire (North Downs above, hills to the west, water to the east and marshes to the southeast)<ref>''[[An Introduction to Elvish]]'', An etymological excursion among the Shire Folk</ref>.<br />
<br />
The industrialisation of the Shire was based on Tolkien's witnessing of the extension of the Industrial Revolution to rural Warwickshire during his youth, and especially the deleterious consequences thereof. The rebellion of the hobbits and the restoration of the pre-industrial Shire may be interpreted as a prescription of voluntary simplicity as a remedy to the problems of modern society.<br />
<br />
==Portrayal in adaptations==<br />
{{Gallery<br />
|title=Pictures of the Shire in adaptations<br />
|height=150<br />
|width=200<br />
|lines=2<br />
|File:The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - Hobbiton.jpg|The Shire in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]''<br />
|File:The Lord of the Rings Online - The Shire map.jpg|Map of the Shire from ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]''<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Films==<br />
'''2001-03: [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]]:''''''<br />
:Shire scenes were shot on location in Matamata, New Zealand. Following the shooting, the area was returned to its natural state, but even without Hobbit holes it became a prime tourist attraction.<br />
<br />
'''2012-14: [[The Hobbit (film series)|''The Hobbit'' (film series)]]:'''<br />
:Shire scenes were shot at the same place where shooting of [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]] took place. Unlike the previous time, Hobbiton was constructed out of permanent materials, with intention of lasting for decades.<br />
<br />
==Games==<br />
'''2002: [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)|''The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring'' (video game)]]:'''<br />
:The first three levels of the game take place in the Shire, from [[Frodo]] leaving [[Bag End]] up until the entrance into the [[Old Forest]].<br />
<br />
'''2003: [[The Hobbit (2003 video game)|''The Hobbit'' (2003 video game)]]:'''<br />
:The Shire is the first level of the game. Unlike the original story, Bilbo has to perform various side-quests before he ever reached [[Green Dragon]].<br />
<br />
'''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'':'''<br />
:The Shire is a battleground appearing in Evil campaign and skirmish mode.<br />
<br />
'''2007: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]'':'''<br />
:The Shire is one of the major regions of the game, represented almost in its entirely - of the original map by Christopher Tolkien only some parts of [[Westfarthing]] and [[Southfarthing]] are not represented. Also, part of the [[Northfarthing]] is placed within the borders of [[Evendim]] region for gameplay purposes. The Shire is inhabited by hundreds of non-playable characters, involved in hundreds of quests.<br />
<br />
'''2009: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: Conquest]]'':'''<br />
:The Shire is one of game's battlegrounds, razed by Sauron's forces in the Evil campaign.<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
*[[:Category:Images of the Shire|Images of the Shire]]<br />
*[[Thain|Thains of the Shire]]<br />
<br />
{{References|n}}<br />
{{companyroute}}<br />
{{thains}}<br />
[[Category:Eriador]]<br />
[[Category:The Shire]]<br />
<br />
[[de:Auenland]]<br />
[[fi:Kontu]]<br />
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{{evil infobox<br />
| name=Shelob<br />
| image=[[File:John Howe - Sam and Shelob.jpg|250px]]<br />
| caption="Sam and Shelob" by [[John Howe]]<br />
| pronun=<br />
| othernames=Her Ladyship, She<br />
| titles=<br />
| position=<br />
| location=[[Nan Dungortheb]] ([[First Age]])<br/>[[Cirith Ungol]] (from [[Second Age]]) <br />
| affiliation=<br />
| language=<br />
| birth=[[First Age]]<br />
| birthlocation=<br />
| rule=<br />
| death=<br />
| deathlocation=<br />
| age=unknown - being born in the First Age, at least several millennia<br />
| notablefor=Attacking [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]]<br />
| parentage=[[Ungoliant]] (parent)<br />
| siblings=<br />
| spouse=<br />
| children=[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]<br />
| race=[[Spiders|Spider]]<br />
| gender=Female<br />
| height=<br />
| hair=<br />
| eyes=<br />
| clothing=<br />
| weapons=a stinger (ordinary spiders have no stingers, only chelicerae)<br />
| steed=<br />
}}<br />
'''Shelob''' was a great spider-like creature akin to those of [[Nan Dungortheb]] in [[Beleriand]], the last offspring of the demonic [[Ungoliant]].<br />
<br />
==History== <br />
Shelob was born during the [[Elder Days]], to the spider-like demon Ungoliant, who mated with (and devoured) the spider-creatures of the [[Ered Gorgoroth]]. She dwelt for many years in [[Nan Dungortheb]] with her countless brothers and sisters, even after Ungoliant ventured elsewhere.<br />
<br />
Shelob fled from ruin (apparently the [[War of Wrath]]) and established her lair high in the mountains of [[Mordor]] at least in the first centuries of the [[Second Age]], before [[Sauron]] claimed that land as his own. She mated with her offspring which she slew, and her descendants were to be seen in [[Ephel Dúath]] and [[Mirkwood]].<ref name=lair>{{TT|Lair}}</ref><ref name=guide/> <br />
<br />
Shelob fed off all living things, such as [[Elves]] and [[Men]], but as these became scarce in the area, she fed upon [[orcs]].<ref name=lair/> Sauron would sometimes send her captured prisoners for whom he had no further use and amuse himself watching how she played with her prey. Even though they did not communicate, Sauron and Shelob understood each other. She served as a secure guardian of the pass of [[Cirith Ungol]] to prevent any intruders from entering the dark land.<br />
<br />
[[File:Eytan Eylul Guler - Shelob and Sam.jpg|230px|thumb|left|Eytan Eylul Guler - ''Shelob and Sam'']]<br />
While looking for [[the One Ring]], [[Gollum]] was trapped by her, but he managed somehow to communicate with her and promised to bring her more food if she released him. Indeed, Gollum (whom the orcs of the [[Tower of Cirith Ungol]] call "Shelob's Sneak") brought [[Samwise Gamgee]] and [[Frodo Baggins]] near her Lair while seeking [[Mount Doom]].<br />
<br />
While put off by the [[Phial of Galadriel]] in the tunnels, she intercepted them again outside and attacked Frodo, stinging him into a death-like coma. Sam managed to defeat her by letting her impale herself upon [[Sting]] when she tried to crush him under her massive body and using all power of the Phial of Galadriel to blind her. Wounded, she fled to her lair and was not seen for the remainder of Lord of the Rings.<br />
<br />
Thinking Frodo dead, Sam took the One Ring from him and left his body behind, but discovered later that Shelob's venom was not intended to kill its victims but only to render them unconscious and keep their meat fresh.<br />
<br />
Shelob may have eventually died of starvation caused by her inability to hunt while blind.<ref name=guide>{{HM|Guide}}, p. 353, entry "Shelob"</ref><br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
The name ''Shelob'' is derived from "lob", an archaic English word for spider. A variation, "cob" is the derivation of the word "cobweb". The first element, "she", simply mentions the spider's gender.<ref>{{L|70}}</ref><br />
<br />
[[Robert Foster]] mistakenly classified the name as [[Sindarin]], failing to provide a translation.<ref name=guide/><br />
<br />
==Genealogy==<br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| | | UNG | | | |UNG=[[Ungoliant]]</br><small>''fl. {{YT|1495}}''</small>}}<br />
{{familytree| |,|-|^|~|7| | |}}<br />
{{familytree| SHE | | NAN | |SHE='''SHELOB'''</br><small>''fl. {{TA|3019}}''</small>|NAN=''[[Spiders]] of [[Nan Dungortheb]]''}}<br />
{{familytree| |:| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| MIR | | | | | |MIR=''[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]''}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br />
==Portrayal in adaptations==<br />
'''1981: [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1981 radio series)]]:'''<br />
:Shelob was voiced by [[Jenny Lee]]. Lee had no dialogue, but hissed to convey Shelob's menace, then made a bubbling noise to suggest the passing of her poison into Frodo. Finally, she made a roaring sound during her fight with Sam to convey her pain when Sam's thrusts found their mark. <br />
<br />
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King - Shelob's face.jpg|thumb|right|Shelob's face from [[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]].]]<br />
'''2003: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'''''<br />
<br />
:Shelob can be seen to have a retractable venomous sting at the rear end between the spinnerets, resembling a wasp's sting. This is very much unlike real spiders which inject venom with their fangs but accurate relative to the novel. Shelob also appears to have a gaping mouth, whereas real spiders can ingest only liquid.<br />
<br />
:In the book, on the other hand, "clusters" of eyes are mentioned, which may suggest compound eyes like those of insects; the Shelob in the movie does ''not'' have compound eyes, which is appropriate. A hunting spider of the family [[wikipedia:Lycosidae|Lycosidae]],{{fact}} which Shelob most closely resembles, would have two large eyes facing forward, and a few smaller ones almost hidden below. The only spiders that can reasonably be said to have "clustered" eyes (though not true compound eyes) are the daddy long-legs spiders of the family Pholcidae, but Shelob does not resemble these rather spindly and fragile spiders in other aspects of her physique.<br />
<br />
'''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is a playable hero for the Goblins faction, and appears in the fifth level of the Evil Campaign, "Mirkwood", where she has apparently joined the [[Mouth of Sauron]] on his mission to take the [[Old Forest Road]]. During the level, Shelob can be used to recruit the Spiders of Mirkwood, as they are her children, and will obey her if she is sent to their nest. She also appears during the final mission, "Rivendell", alongside the other villains.<br />
<br />
'''2014: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor]]'''''<br />
:Though unseen, Shelob is identified in the Appendices as the mother of the Ungol spiders that are encountered throughout Mordor. She is also referred to as the Spider Queen, a title that wasn't given to her in the book. An artefact, a "Crushed Ungol Egg", shows that Shelob initially lived in Mordor itself with Sauron and his servants, until it became apparent that Shelob would disobey Sauron, so he banished her to the pass of Cirith Ungol, and forbade her from laying any more eggs on his land. According to the "Ungol" article in the Appendices, Shelob has taken an interest in the recent events occurring in Mordor, though it is unclear to what extent. <br />
<br />
'''2017: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of War]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is voiced by Pollyanna McIntosh, and plays a prominent role early in the game. This portrayal of Shelob is unique in that she is able to assume a fair form, as a raven-haired woman in a black dress. She can also project visions of the future into a person's mind. She ensnares the wraith of [[Celebrimbor]] and holds him prisoner at the start of the game. She releases him after Talion surrenders their newly-forged Ring of Power to her. After Minas Ithil is conquered by Sauron's forces, the Ringwraiths are sent to seize the Ring from her. After the Nine are driven away, she gives the Ring back to Talion and tells him to forge an army to conquer Mordor.<br />
: Reading her memories, which are found throughout Mordor, reveals a number of details of her life, including a romantic relationship she once had with Sauron.<br />
{{references}}<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Shelob|Images of Shelob]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Characters in The Lord of the Rings]]<br />
[[Category:Spirits]]<br />
[[Category:Spiders]]<br />
[[Category:Third Age characters]]<br />
[[Category:Evil]]<br />
<br />
[[de:Kankra]]<br />
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/animaux/araignees/arachne]]<br />
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{{evil infobox<br />
| name=Shelob<br />
| image=[[File:John Howe - Sam and Shelob.jpg|250px]]<br />
| caption="Sam and Shelob" by [[John Howe]]<br />
| pronun=<br />
| othernames=Her Ladyship, She<br />
| titles=<br />
| position=<br />
| location=[[Nan Dungortheb]] ([[First Age]])<br/>[[Cirith Ungol]] (from [[Second Age]]) <br />
| affiliation=<br />
| language=<br />
| birth=[[First Age]]<br />
| birthlocation=<br />
| rule=<br />
| death=<br />
| deathlocation=<br />
| age=unknown - being born in the First Age, at least several millennia<br />
| notablefor=Attacking [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]]<br />
| parentage=[[Ungoliant]] (parent)<br />
| siblings=<br />
| spouse=<br />
| children=[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]<br />
| race=[[Spiders|Spider]]<br />
| gender=Female<br />
| height=<br />
| hair=<br />
| eyes=<br />
| clothing=<br />
| weapons=a stinger - ordinary spiders have chelicerae and no stingers<br />
| steed=<br />
}}<br />
'''Shelob''' was a great spider-like creature akin to those of [[Nan Dungortheb]] in [[Beleriand]], the last offspring of the demonic [[Ungoliant]].<br />
<br />
==History== <br />
Shelob was born during the [[Elder Days]], to the spider-like demon Ungoliant, who mated with (and devoured) the spider-creatures of the [[Ered Gorgoroth]]. She dwelt for many years in [[Nan Dungortheb]] with her countless brothers and sisters, even after Ungoliant ventured elsewhere.<br />
<br />
Shelob fled from ruin (apparently the [[War of Wrath]]) and established her lair high in the mountains of [[Mordor]] at least in the first centuries of the [[Second Age]], before [[Sauron]] claimed that land as his own. She mated with her offspring which she slew, and her descendants were to be seen in [[Ephel Dúath]] and [[Mirkwood]].<ref name=lair>{{TT|Lair}}</ref><ref name=guide/> <br />
<br />
Shelob fed off all living things, such as [[Elves]] and [[Men]], but as these became scarce in the area, she fed upon [[orcs]].<ref name=lair/> Sauron would sometimes send her captured prisoners for whom he had no further use and amuse himself watching how she played with her prey. Even though they did not communicate, Sauron and Shelob understood each other. She served as a secure guardian of the pass of [[Cirith Ungol]] to prevent any intruders from entering the dark land.<br />
<br />
[[File:Eytan Eylul Guler - Shelob and Sam.jpg|230px|thumb|left|Eytan Eylul Guler - ''Shelob and Sam'']]<br />
While looking for [[the One Ring]], [[Gollum]] was trapped by her, but he managed somehow to communicate with her and promised to bring her more food if she released him. Indeed, Gollum (whom the orcs of the [[Tower of Cirith Ungol]] call "Shelob's Sneak") brought [[Samwise Gamgee]] and [[Frodo Baggins]] near her Lair while seeking [[Mount Doom]].<br />
<br />
While put off by the [[Phial of Galadriel]] in the tunnels, she intercepted them again outside and attacked Frodo, stinging him into a death-like coma. Sam managed to defeat her by letting her impale herself upon [[Sting]] when she tried to crush him under her massive body and using all power of the Phial of Galadriel to blind her. Wounded, she fled to her lair and was not seen for the remainder of Lord of the Rings.<br />
<br />
Thinking Frodo dead, Sam took the One Ring from him and left his body behind, but discovered later that Shelob's venom was not intended to kill its victims but only to render them unconscious and keep their meat fresh.<br />
<br />
Shelob may have eventually died of starvation caused by her inability to hunt while blind.<ref name=guide>{{HM|Guide}}, p. 353, entry "Shelob"</ref><br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
The name ''Shelob'' is derived from "lob", an archaic English word for spider. A variation, "cob" is the derivation of the word "cobweb". The first element, "she", simply mentions the spider's gender.<ref>{{L|70}}</ref><br />
<br />
[[Robert Foster]] mistakenly classified the name as [[Sindarin]], failing to provide a translation.<ref name=guide/><br />
<br />
==Genealogy==<br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| | | UNG | | | |UNG=[[Ungoliant]]</br><small>''fl. {{YT|1495}}''</small>}}<br />
{{familytree| |,|-|^|~|7| | |}}<br />
{{familytree| SHE | | NAN | |SHE='''SHELOB'''</br><small>''fl. {{TA|3019}}''</small>|NAN=''[[Spiders]] of [[Nan Dungortheb]]''}}<br />
{{familytree| |:| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| MIR | | | | | |MIR=''[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]''}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br />
==Portrayal in adaptations==<br />
'''1981: [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1981 radio series)]]:'''<br />
:Shelob was voiced by [[Jenny Lee]]. Lee had no dialogue, but hissed to convey Shelob's menace, then made a bubbling noise to suggest the passing of her poison into Frodo. Finally, she made a roaring sound during her fight with Sam to convey her pain when Sam's thrusts found their mark. <br />
<br />
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King - Shelob's face.jpg|thumb|right|Shelob's face from [[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]].]]<br />
'''2003: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'''''<br />
<br />
:Shelob can be seen to have a retractable venomous sting at the rear end between the spinnerets, resembling a wasp's sting. This is very much unlike real spiders which inject venom with their fangs but accurate relative to the novel. Shelob also appears to have a gaping mouth, whereas real spiders can ingest only liquid.<br />
<br />
:In the book, on the other hand, "clusters" of eyes are mentioned, which may suggest compound eyes like those of insects; the Shelob in the movie does ''not'' have compound eyes, which is appropriate. A hunting spider of the family [[wikipedia:Lycosidae|Lycosidae]],{{fact}} which Shelob most closely resembles, would have two large eyes facing forward, and a few smaller ones almost hidden below. The only spiders that can reasonably be said to have "clustered" eyes (though not true compound eyes) are the daddy long-legs spiders of the family Pholcidae, but Shelob does not resemble these rather spindly and fragile spiders in other aspects of her physique.<br />
<br />
'''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is a playable hero for the Goblins faction, and appears in the fifth level of the Evil Campaign, "Mirkwood", where she has apparently joined the [[Mouth of Sauron]] on his mission to take the [[Old Forest Road]]. During the level, Shelob can be used to recruit the Spiders of Mirkwood, as they are her children, and will obey her if she is sent to their nest. She also appears during the final mission, "Rivendell", alongside the other villains.<br />
<br />
'''2014: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor]]'''''<br />
:Though unseen, Shelob is identified in the Appendices as the mother of the Ungol spiders that are encountered throughout Mordor. She is also referred to as the Spider Queen, a title that wasn't given to her in the book. An artefact, a "Crushed Ungol Egg", shows that Shelob initially lived in Mordor itself with Sauron and his servants, until it became apparent that Shelob would disobey Sauron, so he banished her to the pass of Cirith Ungol, and forbade her from laying any more eggs on his land. According to the "Ungol" article in the Appendices, Shelob has taken an interest in the recent events occurring in Mordor, though it is unclear to what extent. <br />
<br />
'''2017: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of War]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is voiced by Pollyanna McIntosh, and plays a prominent role early in the game. This portrayal of Shelob is unique in that she is able to assume a fair form, as a raven-haired woman in a black dress. She can also project visions of the future into a person's mind. She ensnares the wraith of [[Celebrimbor]] and holds him prisoner at the start of the game. She releases him after Talion surrenders their newly-forged Ring of Power to her. After Minas Ithil is conquered by Sauron's forces, the Ringwraiths are sent to seize the Ring from her. After the Nine are driven away, she gives the Ring back to Talion and tells him to forge an army to conquer Mordor.<br />
: Reading her memories, which are found throughout Mordor, reveals a number of details of her life, including a romantic relationship she once had with Sauron.<br />
{{references}}<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Shelob|Images of Shelob]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Characters in The Lord of the Rings]]<br />
[[Category:Spirits]]<br />
[[Category:Spiders]]<br />
[[Category:Third Age characters]]<br />
[[Category:Evil]]<br />
<br />
[[de:Kankra]]<br />
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/animaux/araignees/arachne]]<br />
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{{evil infobox<br />
| name=Shelob<br />
| image=[[File:John Howe - Sam and Shelob.jpg|250px]]<br />
| caption="Sam and Shelob" by [[John Howe]]<br />
| pronun=<br />
| othernames=Her Ladyship, She<br />
| titles=<br />
| position=<br />
| location=[[Nan Dungortheb]] ([[First Age]])<br/>[[Cirith Ungol]] (from [[Second Age]]) <br />
| affiliation=<br />
| language=<br />
| birth=[[First Age]]<br />
| birthlocation=<br />
| rule=<br />
| death=<br />
| deathlocation=<br />
| age=unknown (being born in the First Age, at least several millennia)<br />
| notablefor=Attacking [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]]<br />
| parentage=[[Ungoliant]] (parent)<br />
| siblings=<br />
| spouse=<br />
| children=[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]<br />
| race=[[Spiders|Spider]]<br />
| gender=Female<br />
| height=<br />
| hair=<br />
| eyes=<br />
| clothing=<br />
| weapons=a stinger<br />
| steed=<br />
}}<br />
'''Shelob''' was a great spider-like creature akin to those of [[Nan Dungortheb]] in [[Beleriand]], the last offspring of the demonic [[Ungoliant]].<br />
<br />
==History== <br />
Shelob was born during the [[Elder Days]], to the spider-like demon Ungoliant, who mated with (and devoured) the spider-creatures of the [[Ered Gorgoroth]]. She dwelt for many years in [[Nan Dungortheb]] with her countless brothers and sisters, even after Ungoliant ventured elsewhere.<br />
<br />
Shelob fled from ruin (apparently the [[War of Wrath]]) and established her lair high in the mountains of [[Mordor]] at least in the first centuries of the [[Second Age]], before [[Sauron]] claimed that land as his own. She mated with her offspring which she slew, and her descendants were to be seen in [[Ephel Dúath]] and [[Mirkwood]].<ref name=lair>{{TT|Lair}}</ref><ref name=guide/> <br />
<br />
Shelob fed off all living things, such as [[Elves]] and [[Men]], but as these became scarce in the area, she fed upon [[orcs]].<ref name=lair/> Sauron would sometimes send her captured prisoners for whom he had no further use and amuse himself watching how she played with her prey. Even though they did not communicate, Sauron and Shelob understood each other. She served as a secure guardian of the pass of [[Cirith Ungol]] to prevent any intruders from entering the dark land.<br />
<br />
[[File:Eytan Eylul Guler - Shelob and Sam.jpg|230px|thumb|left|Eytan Eylul Guler - ''Shelob and Sam'']]<br />
While looking for [[the One Ring]], [[Gollum]] was trapped by her, but he managed somehow to communicate with her and promised to bring her more food if she released him. Indeed, Gollum (whom the orcs of the [[Tower of Cirith Ungol]] call "Shelob's Sneak") brought [[Samwise Gamgee]] and [[Frodo Baggins]] near her Lair while seeking [[Mount Doom]].<br />
<br />
While put off by the [[Phial of Galadriel]] in the tunnels, she intercepted them again outside and attacked Frodo, stinging him into a death-like coma. Sam managed to defeat her by letting her impale herself upon [[Sting]] when she tried to crush him under her massive body and using all power of the Phial of Galadriel to blind her. Wounded, she fled to her lair and was not seen for the remainder of Lord of the Rings.<br />
<br />
Thinking Frodo dead, Sam took the One Ring from him and left his body behind, but discovered later that Shelob's venom was not intended to kill its victims but only to render them unconscious and keep their meat fresh.<br />
<br />
Shelob may have eventually died of starvation caused by her inability to hunt while blind.<ref name=guide>{{HM|Guide}}, p. 353, entry "Shelob"</ref><br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
The name ''Shelob'' is derived from "lob", an archaic English word for spider. A variation, "cob" is the derivation of the word "cobweb". The first element, "she", simply mentions the spider's gender.<ref>{{L|70}}</ref><br />
<br />
[[Robert Foster]] mistakenly classified the name as [[Sindarin]], failing to provide a translation.<ref name=guide/><br />
<br />
==Genealogy==<br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| | | UNG | | | |UNG=[[Ungoliant]]</br><small>''fl. {{YT|1495}}''</small>}}<br />
{{familytree| |,|-|^|~|7| | |}}<br />
{{familytree| SHE | | NAN | |SHE='''SHELOB'''</br><small>''fl. {{TA|3019}}''</small>|NAN=''[[Spiders]] of [[Nan Dungortheb]]''}}<br />
{{familytree| |:| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| MIR | | | | | |MIR=''[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]''}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br />
==Portrayal in adaptations==<br />
'''1981: [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1981 radio series)]]:'''<br />
:Shelob was voiced by [[Jenny Lee]]. Lee had no dialogue, but hissed to convey Shelob's menace, then made a bubbling noise to suggest the passing of her poison into Frodo. Finally, she made a roaring sound during her fight with Sam to convey her pain when Sam's thrusts found their mark. <br />
<br />
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King - Shelob's face.jpg|thumb|right|Shelob's face from [[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]].]]<br />
'''2003: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'''''<br />
<br />
:Shelob can be seen to have a retractable venomous sting at the rear end between the spinnerets, resembling a wasp's sting. This is very much unlike real spiders which inject venom with their fangs but accurate relative to the novel. Shelob also appears to have a gaping mouth, whereas real spiders can ingest only liquid.<br />
<br />
:In the book, on the other hand, "clusters" of eyes are mentioned, which may suggest compound eyes like those of insects; the Shelob in the movie does ''not'' have compound eyes, which is appropriate. A hunting spider of the family [[wikipedia:Lycosidae|Lycosidae]],{{fact}} which Shelob most closely resembles, would have two large eyes facing forward, and a few smaller ones almost hidden below. The only spiders that can reasonably be said to have "clustered" eyes (though not true compound eyes) are the daddy long-legs spiders of the family Pholcidae, but Shelob does not resemble these rather spindly and fragile spiders in other aspects of her physique.<br />
<br />
'''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is a playable hero for the Goblins faction, and appears in the fifth level of the Evil Campaign, "Mirkwood", where she has apparently joined the [[Mouth of Sauron]] on his mission to take the [[Old Forest Road]]. During the level, Shelob can be used to recruit the Spiders of Mirkwood, as they are her children, and will obey her if she is sent to their nest. She also appears during the final mission, "Rivendell", alongside the other villains.<br />
<br />
'''2014: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor]]'''''<br />
:Though unseen, Shelob is identified in the Appendices as the mother of the Ungol spiders that are encountered throughout Mordor. She is also referred to as the Spider Queen, a title that wasn't given to her in the book. An artefact, a "Crushed Ungol Egg", shows that Shelob initially lived in Mordor itself with Sauron and his servants, until it became apparent that Shelob would disobey Sauron, so he banished her to the pass of Cirith Ungol, and forbade her from laying any more eggs on his land. According to the "Ungol" article in the Appendices, Shelob has taken an interest in the recent events occurring in Mordor, though it is unclear to what extent. <br />
<br />
'''2017: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of War]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is voiced by Pollyanna McIntosh, and plays a prominent role early in the game. This portrayal of Shelob is unique in that she is able to assume a fair form, as a raven-haired woman in a black dress. She can also project visions of the future into a person's mind. She ensnares the wraith of [[Celebrimbor]] and holds him prisoner at the start of the game. She releases him after Talion surrenders their newly-forged Ring of Power to her. After Minas Ithil is conquered by Sauron's forces, the Ringwraiths are sent to seize the Ring from her. After the Nine are driven away, she gives the Ring back to Talion and tells him to forge an army to conquer Mordor.<br />
: Reading her memories, which are found throughout Mordor, reveals a number of details of her life, including a romantic relationship she once had with Sauron.<br />
{{references}}<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Shelob|Images of Shelob]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Characters in The Lord of the Rings]]<br />
[[Category:Spirits]]<br />
[[Category:Spiders]]<br />
[[Category:Third Age characters]]<br />
[[Category:Evil]]<br />
<br />
[[de:Kankra]]<br />
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/animaux/araignees/arachne]]<br />
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{{evil infobox<br />
| name=Shelob<br />
| image=[[File:John Howe - Sam and Shelob.jpg|250px]]<br />
| caption="Sam and Shelob" by [[John Howe]]<br />
| pronun=<br />
| othernames=Her Ladyship, She<br />
| titles=<br />
| position=<br />
| location=[[Nan Dungortheb]] ([[First Age]])<br/>[[Cirith Ungol]] (from [[Second Age]]) <br />
| affiliation=<br />
| language=<br />
| birth=[[First Age]]<br />
| birthlocation=<br />
| rule=<br />
| death=<br />
| deathlocation=<br />
| age=unknown, at least several millennia<br />
| notablefor=Attacking [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]]<br />
| parentage=[[Ungoliant]] (mother)<br />
| siblings=<br />
| spouse=<br />
| children=[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]<br />
| race=[[Spiders|Spider]]<br />
| gender=Female<br />
| height=<br />
| hair=<br />
| eyes=<br />
| clothing=<br />
| weapons=a stinger (unusual for a spider)<br />
| steed=<br />
}}<br />
'''Shelob''' was a great spider-like creature akin to those of [[Nan Dungortheb]] in [[Beleriand]], the last offspring of the demonic [[Ungoliant]].<br />
<br />
==History== <br />
Shelob was born during the [[Elder Days]], to the spider-like demon Ungoliant, who mated with (and devoured) the spider-creatures of the [[Ered Gorgoroth]]. She dwelt for many years in [[Nan Dungortheb]] with her countless brothers and sisters, even after Ungoliant ventured elsewhere.<br />
<br />
Shelob fled from ruin (apparently the [[War of Wrath]]) and established her lair high in the mountains of [[Mordor]] at least in the first centuries of the [[Second Age]], before [[Sauron]] claimed that land as his own. She mated with her offspring which she slew, and her descendants were to be seen in [[Ephel Dúath]] and [[Mirkwood]].<ref name=lair>{{TT|Lair}}</ref><ref name=guide/> <br />
<br />
Shelob fed off with all living things, such as [[Elves]] and [[Men]], but as these became scarce in the area, she fed upon [[orcs]].<ref name=lair/> Sauron would sometimes send her captured prisoners for whom he had no further use and amuse himself watching how she played with her prey. Even though they did not communicate, Sauron and Shelob understood each other. She served as a secure guardian of the pass of [[Cirith Ungol]] to prevent any intruders from entering the dark land.<br />
<br />
[[File:Eytan Eylul Guler - Shelob and Sam.jpg|230px|thumb|left|Eytan Eylul Guler - ''Shelob and Sam'']]<br />
While looking for [[the One Ring]], [[Gollum]] was trapped by her, but he managed somehow to communicate with her and promised to bring her more food if she released him. Indeed, Gollum (whom the orcs of the [[Tower of Cirith Ungol]] call "Shelob's Sneak") brought [[Samwise Gamgee]] and [[Frodo Baggins]] near her Lair while seeking [[Mount Doom]].<br />
<br />
While put off by the [[Phial of Galadriel]] in the tunnels, she intercepted them again outside and attacked Frodo, stinging him into a death-like coma. Sam managed to defeat her by letting her impale herself upon [[Sting]] when she tried to crush him under her massive body and using all power of the Phial of Galadriel to blind her. Wounded, she fled to her lair and was not seen for the remainder of Lord of the Rings.<br />
<br />
Thinking Frodo dead, Sam took the One Ring from him and left his body behind, but discovered later that Shelob's venom was not intended to kill its victims but only to render them unconscious and keep their meat fresh.<br />
<br />
Shelob may have eventually died of starvation caused by her inability to hunt while blind.<ref name=guide>{{HM|Guide}}, p. 353, entry "Shelob"</ref><br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
The name ''Shelob'' is derived from "lob", an archaic English word for spider. A variation, "cob" is the derivation of the word "cobweb". The first element, "she", simply mentions the spider's gender.<ref>{{L|70}}</ref><br />
<br />
[[Robert Foster]] mistakenly classified the name as [[Sindarin]], failing to provide a translation.<ref name=guide/><br />
<br />
==Genealogy==<br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| | | UNG | | | |UNG=[[Ungoliant]]</br><small>''fl. {{YT|1495}}''</small>}}<br />
{{familytree| |,|-|^|~|7| | |}}<br />
{{familytree| SHE | | NAN | |SHE='''SHELOB'''</br><small>''fl. {{TA|3019}}''</small>|NAN=''[[Spiders]] of [[Nan Dungortheb]]''}}<br />
{{familytree| |:| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| MIR | | | | | |MIR=''[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]''}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br />
==Portrayal in adaptations==<br />
'''1981: [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1981 radio series)]]:'''<br />
:Shelob was voiced by [[Jenny Lee]]. Lee had no dialogue, but hissed to convey Shelob's menace, then made a bubbling noise to suggest the passing of her poison into Frodo. Finally, she made a roaring sound during her fight with Sam to convey her pain when Sam's thrusts found their mark. <br />
<br />
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King - Shelob's face.jpg|thumb|right|Shelob's face from [[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]].]]<br />
'''2003: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'''''<br />
<br />
:Shelob can be seen to have a retractable venomous sting at the rear end between the spinnerets, resembling a wasp's sting. This is very much unlike real spiders which inject venom with their fangs but accurate relative to the novel. Shelob also appears to have a gaping mouth, whereas real spiders can ingest only liquid.<br />
<br />
:In the book, on the other hand, "clusters" of eyes are mentioned, which may suggest compound eyes like those of insects; the Shelob in the movie does ''not'' have compound eyes, which is appropriate. A hunting spider of the family [[wikipedia:Lycosidae|Lycosidae]],{{fact}} which Shelob most closely resembles, would have two large eyes facing forward, and a few smaller ones almost hidden below. The only spiders that can reasonably be said to have "clustered" eyes (though not true compound eyes) are the daddy long-legs spiders of the family Pholcidae, but Shelob does not resemble these rather spindly and fragile spiders in other aspects of her physique.<br />
<br />
'''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is a playable hero for the Goblins faction, and appears in the fifth level of the Evil Campaign, "Mirkwood", where she has apparently joined the [[Mouth of Sauron]] on his mission to take the [[Old Forest Road]]. During the level, Shelob can be used to recruit the Spiders of Mirkwood, as they are her children, and will obey her if she is sent to their nest. She also appears during the final mission, "Rivendell", alongside the other villains.<br />
<br />
'''2014: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor]]'''''<br />
:Though unseen, Shelob is identified in the Appendices as the mother of the Ungol spiders that are encountered throughout Mordor. She is also referred to as the Spider Queen, a title that wasn't given to her in the novels. An artifact, a "Crushed Ungol Egg", shows that Shelob initially lived in Mordor itself with Sauron and his servants, until it became apparent that Shelob would disobey Sauron, so he banished her to the pass of Cirith Ungol, and forbade her from laying any more eggs on his land. According to the "Ungol" article in the Appendices, Shelob has taken an interest in the recent events occurring in Mordor, though it is unclear to what extent. <br />
<br />
'''2017: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of War]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is voiced by Pollyanna McIntosh, and plays a prominent role early in the game. This portrayal of Shelob is unique in that she is able to assume a fair form, as a raven-haired woman in a black dress. She can also project visions of the future into a person's mind. She ensnares the wraith of [[Celebrimbor]] and holds him prisoner at the start of the game. She releases him after Talion surrenders their newly-forged Ring of Power to her. After Minas Ithil is conquered by Sauron's forces, the Ringwraiths are sent to seize the Ring from her. After the Nine are driven away, she gives the Ring back to Talion and tells him to forge an army to conquer Mordor.<br />
: Reading her memories--which are found throughout Mordor--reveals a number of details of her life, including a romantic relationship she once had with Sauron.<br />
{{references}}<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Shelob|Images of Shelob]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Characters in The Lord of the Rings]]<br />
[[Category:Spirits]]<br />
[[Category:Spiders]]<br />
[[Category:Third Age characters]]<br />
[[Category:Evil]]<br />
<br />
[[de:Kankra]]<br />
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/animaux/araignees/arachne]]<br />
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<div>{{cleanup}}<br />
{{sources}}<br />
{{evil infobox<br />
| name=Shelob<br />
| image=[[File:John Howe - Sam and Shelob.jpg|250px]]<br />
| caption="Sam and Shelob" by [[John Howe]]<br />
| pronun=<br />
| othernames=Her Ladyship, She<br />
| titles=<br />
| position=<br />
| location=[[Nan Dungortheb]] ([[First Age]])<br/>[[Cirith Ungol]] (from [[Second Age]]) <br />
| affiliation=<br />
| language=<br />
| birth=[[First Age]]<br />
| birthlocation=<br />
| rule=<br />
| death=<br />
| deathlocation=<br />
| age=<br />
| notablefor=Attacking [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]]<br />
| parentage=[[Ungoliant]] (mother)<br />
| siblings=<br />
| spouse=<br />
| children=[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]<br />
| race=[[Spiders|Spider]]<br />
| gender=Female<br />
| height=<br />
| hair=n/a<br />
| eyes=<br />
| clothing=n/a<br />
| weapons=a stinger (unusual for a spider)<br />
| steed=<br />
}}<br />
'''Shelob''' was a great spider-like creature akin to those of [[Nan Dungortheb]] in [[Beleriand]], the last offspring of the demonic [[Ungoliant]].<br />
<br />
==History== <br />
Shelob was born during the [[Elder Days]], to the spider-like demon Ungoliant, who mated with (and devoured) the spider-creatures of the [[Ered Gorgoroth]]. She dwelt for many years in [[Nan Dungortheb]] with her countless brothers and sisters, even after Ungoliant ventured elsewhere.<br />
<br />
Shelob fled from ruin (apparently the [[War of Wrath]]) and established her lair high in the mountains of [[Mordor]] at least in the first centuries of the [[Second Age]], before [[Sauron]] claimed that land as his own. She mated with her offspring which she slew, and her descendants were to be seen in [[Ephel Dúath]] and [[Mirkwood]].<ref name=lair>{{TT|Lair}}</ref><ref name=guide/> <br />
<br />
Shelob fed off with all living things, such as [[Elves]] and [[Men]], but as these became scarce in the area, she fed upon [[orcs]].<ref name=lair/> Sauron would sometimes send her captured prisoners for whom he had no further use and amuse himself watching how she played with her prey. Even though they did not communicate, Sauron and Shelob understood each other. She served as a secure guardian of the pass of [[Cirith Ungol]] to prevent any intruders from entering the dark land.<br />
<br />
[[File:Eytan Eylul Guler - Shelob and Sam.jpg|230px|thumb|left|Eytan Eylul Guler - ''Shelob and Sam'']]<br />
While looking for [[the One Ring]], [[Gollum]] was trapped by her, but he managed somehow to communicate with her and promised to bring her more food if she released him. Indeed, Gollum (whom the orcs of the [[Tower of Cirith Ungol]] call "Shelob's Sneak") brought [[Samwise Gamgee]] and [[Frodo Baggins]] near her Lair while seeking [[Mount Doom]].<br />
<br />
While put off by the [[Phial of Galadriel]] in the tunnels, she intercepted them again outside and attacked Frodo, stinging him into a death-like coma. Sam managed to defeat her by letting her impale herself upon [[Sting]] when she tried to crush him under her massive body and using all power of the Phial of Galadriel to blind her. Wounded, she fled to her lair and was not seen for the remainder of Lord of the Rings.<br />
<br />
Thinking Frodo dead, Sam took the One Ring from him and left his body behind, but discovered later that Shelob's venom was not intended to kill its victims but only to render them unconscious and keep their meat fresh.<br />
<br />
Shelob may have eventually died of starvation caused by her inability to hunt while blind.<ref name=guide>{{HM|Guide}}, p. 353, entry "Shelob"</ref><br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
The name ''Shelob'' is derived from "lob", an archaic English word for spider. A variation, "cob" is the derivation of the word "cobweb". The first element, "she", simply mentions the spider's gender.<ref>{{L|70}}</ref><br />
<br />
[[Robert Foster]] mistakenly classified the name as [[Sindarin]], failing to provide a translation.<ref name=guide/><br />
<br />
==Genealogy==<br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| | | UNG | | | |UNG=[[Ungoliant]]</br><small>''fl. {{YT|1495}}''</small>}}<br />
{{familytree| |,|-|^|~|7| | |}}<br />
{{familytree| SHE | | NAN | |SHE='''SHELOB'''</br><small>''fl. {{TA|3019}}''</small>|NAN=''[[Spiders]] of [[Nan Dungortheb]]''}}<br />
{{familytree| |:| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| MIR | | | | | |MIR=''[[Spiders]] of [[Mirkwood]]''}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br />
==Portrayal in adaptations==<br />
'''1981: [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1981 radio series)]]:'''<br />
:Shelob was voiced by [[Jenny Lee]]. Lee had no dialogue, but hissed to convey Shelob's menace, then made a bubbling noise to suggest the passing of her poison into Frodo. Finally, she made a roaring sound during her fight with Sam to convey her pain when Sam's thrusts found their mark. <br />
<br />
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King - Shelob's face.jpg|thumb|right|Shelob's face from [[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]].]]<br />
'''2003: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'''''<br />
<br />
:Shelob can be seen to have a retractable venomous sting at the rear end between the spinnerets, resembling a wasp's sting. This is very much unlike real spiders which inject venom with their fangs but accurate relative to the novel. Shelob also appears to have a gaping mouth, whereas real spiders can ingest only liquid.<br />
<br />
:In the book, on the other hand, "clusters" of eyes are mentioned, which may suggest compound eyes like those of insects; the Shelob in the movie does ''not'' have compound eyes, which is appropriate. A hunting spider of the family [[wikipedia:Lycosidae|Lycosidae]],{{fact}} which Shelob most closely resembles, would have two large eyes facing forward, and a few smaller ones almost hidden below. The only spiders that can reasonably be said to have "clustered" eyes (though not true compound eyes) are the daddy long-legs spiders of the family Pholcidae, but Shelob does not resemble these rather spindly and fragile spiders in other aspects of her physique.<br />
<br />
'''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is a playable hero for the Goblins faction, and appears in the fifth level of the Evil Campaign, "Mirkwood", where she has apparently joined the [[Mouth of Sauron]] on his mission to take the [[Old Forest Road]]. During the level, Shelob can be used to recruit the Spiders of Mirkwood, as they are her children, and will obey her if she is sent to their nest. She also appears during the final mission, "Rivendell", alongside the other villains.<br />
<br />
'''2014: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor]]'''''<br />
:Though unseen, Shelob is identified in the Appendices as the mother of the Ungol spiders that are encountered throughout Mordor. She is also referred to as the Spider Queen, a title that wasn't given to her in the novels. An artifact, a "Crushed Ungol Egg", shows that Shelob initially lived in Mordor itself with Sauron and his servants, until it became apparent that Shelob would disobey Sauron, so he banished her to the pass of Cirith Ungol, and forbade her from laying any more eggs on his land. According to the "Ungol" article in the Appendices, Shelob has taken an interest in the recent events occurring in Mordor, though it is unclear to what extent. <br />
<br />
'''2017: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of War]]'''''<br />
:Shelob is voiced by Pollyanna McIntosh, and plays a prominent role early in the game. This portrayal of Shelob is unique in that she is able to assume a fair form, as a raven-haired woman in a black dress. She can also project visions of the future into a person's mind. She ensnares the wraith of [[Celebrimbor]] and holds him prisoner at the start of the game. She releases him after Talion surrenders their newly-forged Ring of Power to her. After Minas Ithil is conquered by Sauron's forces, the Ringwraiths are sent to seize the Ring from her. After the Nine are driven away, she gives the Ring back to Talion and tells him to forge an army to conquer Mordor.<br />
: Reading her memories--which are found throughout Mordor--reveals a number of details of her life, including a romantic relationship she once had with Sauron.<br />
{{references}}<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Shelob|Images of Shelob]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Characters in The Lord of the Rings]]<br />
[[Category:Spirits]]<br />
[[Category:Spiders]]<br />
[[Category:Third Age characters]]<br />
[[Category:Evil]]<br />
<br />
[[de:Kankra]]<br />
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/animaux/araignees/arachne]]<br />
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