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Tolkien Gateway:Featured quotes/Nominations
2009-10-27T00:47:18Z
<p>Þelma: </p>
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<div>== Featured Quote Nominations ==<br />
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There have never really been any standards for a '''Featured Quote''', but let us begin. Following the general model of the '''Featured Article''', let's specify a nomination followed by five affirmative votes; state either '''Agree''' or '''Disagree'''. The nominated quote should not exceed a single paragraph.<br />
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=== Legolas Quote Re: Prince Imrahil ===<br />
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The following is one of my favorites, and I hope we can begin by anointing it with this high honor:<br />
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{{quote|That is a fair lord and a great captain of men. If [[Gondor]] has such men still in these days of fading, great must have been its glory in the days of its rising.|[[Legolas of Mirkwood|Legolas]] speaking of [[Imrahil|Prince Imrahil]], ''[[The Return of the King]]'', [[The Last Debate]]}}<br />
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:'''Agree'''. Wonderful quote. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 12:30, 31 July 2008 (EDT)<br />
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:'''Agree'''. Beautiful words. :) ~~ [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] 13:30, 4 August 2008 (EDT)<br />
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:'''Agree'''. Truly beautiful words. -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 14:11, 12 August 2008 (EDT)<br />
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:'''Agree'''. Thought-provoking. -- Ingwe<br />
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:'''Agree'''. Looks good to me, updating the [[Main Page]] right now.-- Hyarion<br />
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===Elrond-Gimli exchange===<br />
{{quote|'Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens,' said [[Gimli]].<br>'Maybe,' said [[Elrond]], 'but let him not vow to walk in the dark, who has not seen the nightfall.'|''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'', [[The Ring Goes South]]}}<br />
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:'''Agree'''. Though technically, I'd agree with any quote nom. What happened to the system? Was it to be weekly or monthly? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}}<br />
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::Very true, anything for a change. Perhaps an automated system that selected a quote from a database would be better, I seem to recall seeing that discussed somewhere a while ago. '''Agree'''. --[[User:Aule the Smith|Aule the Smith]] 21:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::'''Agree'''. Quite proverbial. -Ingwe<br />
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::::'''Agree''' - Very interesting quotation.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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'''Agree''' - It definetely makes you think (obviously it's Elrond)--Breragor<br />
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'''Agree''' Ok, so should we put to this quote up? The current one was here the last time I've visited TG, which was a long time ago, so this is not good. :) I think we all agree the above one is a wonderful quote. ~~ [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] 00:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC) <br />
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=== Tolkien's Own ===<br />
{{quote|The Hobbits are just rustic English people, made small in size because it reflects the generally small reach of their imagination --not the small reach of their courage or latent power.|[[J.R.R. Tolkien]]}}<br />
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:'''Disagree'''; though, yes, Tolkien wrote them all, the first and third are in-universe and should thus be attributed to their respective characters. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::'''Undecided''' -I think if you add "- not the small reach of their courage or latent power" to the end, then I might agree.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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[[Category:Tolkien Gateway: Featured quotes]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Beleg_Strongbow&diff=87110
Talk:Beleg Strongbow
2009-10-27T00:14:39Z
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<div>In the chapter "Of Turin Turambar" of ''The Silmarillion'' it is said of the fact that Queen Melian gives ''lembas'' bread to Beleg Strongbow: "In nothing did Melian show greater favour to Túrin than in this gift; for the Eldar had never before<br />
allowed Men to use this waybread, and seldom did so again".<br />
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However, the article on this site states that Beleg is a Sindarin Elf. <br />
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Is he a Man or an Elf?<br />
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:He is an elf. The "man" refers to [[Túrin Turambar]]. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:36, 19 July 2007 (EDT)<br />
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== Noldo vs Sinda == <br />
Beleg is not a Sinda but he is a Noldo. The only relevant text I could find anything concerning this is when Gwindor meets first Beleg: "Now falling into talk Flinding was overjoyed to have speech with a free Noldo..." (HoME, The Book of Lost Tales, Part Two, Turambar and the Foaloke, p.78; with Flinding is the later Gwindor and the free Noldo is Beleg). --[[Special:Contributions/81.210.170.125|81.210.170.125]] 19:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I searched a bit through The Children of Húrin now and couldn't find any reference to his origin. It is mentioned that he was freely hunting ''near'' Doriath around the time he meets Túrin and Thingol "thanks" him for defending Doriath, but that doesn't mean much. It would be nice if someone could point out something reliable about his origin. In any case, you might be right. ~~ [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] 00:14, 27 October 2009 (UTC)</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Maedhros&diff=87109
Maedhros
2009-10-26T23:51:59Z
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<div><br />
{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Anna Lee - Maedhros.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Maedhros<br />
| quenya=[[fn]] ''[[Nelyafinwë]]'' ([[mn]] ''[[Maitimo]]''; also ''[[Russandol]]'')<br />
| titles=Eldest of the [[Sons of Fëanor]], the Tall<br />
| birth=c. [[Years of the Trees 1234|Y.T. 1234]], [[Tirion]]<br />
| realm=[[March of Maedhros]]<br />
| death=[[First Age 583|F.A. 583]]<br />
| age=3100+<br />
| parentage=[[Fëanor]] + [[Nerdanel]]<br />
| spouse=None<br />
| children=<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=(Dark) red<br />
| ref=''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
'''Maedhros''' was one of the princes of the [[Noldor]] and was eldest of the [[Sons of Fëanor]].<br />
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==History==<br />
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After the banishment of [[Fëanor]] from [[Tirion]] in [[Valinor]] he went with his father to [[Formenos]]. When [[Morgoth]] killed Finwë and stole Fëanor's beloved [[Silmarils]], Maedhros was the first son to take the terrible [[Oath of Fëanor]] to recover the holy jewels.<br />
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The Oath took Maedhros, his father and his brothers to Middle-earth during the First Age where they established realms in exile, waged war against the armies of Morgoth, fought their own [[Elvish]] kind, and eventually brought ruin upon their House.<br />
[[Image:Ted Nasmith - Maedhros Casts Himself into a Chasm.jpg|thumb|left|''Maedhros Casts Himself into a Chasm'' by [[Ted Nasmith]].]]<br />
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Shortly after the [[Dagor-nuin-Giliath]] in which Fëanor was killed, Maedhros was captured by Morgoth and hung by the wrist of his right hand upon the face of a precipice of [[Thangorodrim]]. In a daring rescue, his cousin [[Fingon]], helped by [[Thorondor]] the King of Eagles, saved him from torment but he had to cut off Maedhros's hand to release him from the shackle. In gratitude for this, and in atonement for Feanor's desertion of Fingon's house, Maedhros relenquished all claim as the heir of Finwë and made his uncle [[Fingolfin]], Fingon's father, [[High King of the Noldor]], something his brothers did not like.<br />
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Seeing that his brothers were likely to cause feuds with their kinsmen, Maedhros moved them out of [[Hithlum]], and later ruled the lands around the [[Hill of Himring]], which became known as the [[March of Maedhros]]. Allied with Fingolfin, he won the battle of [[Dagor Aglareb]], and, thanks to his daring deeds during the [[Dagor Bragollach]], [[Himring]] stood while many other elven realms fell. <br />
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Hearing words of deeds of [[Beren Erchamion|Beren]] and [[Lúthien]], he took hope and gathered his brothers and united with other Elven Houses to create the [[Union of Maedhros]], an alliance to lay siege to Morgoth's fortress of [[Angband]]. The Union and the siege was utterly broken after the defeat in the [[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]. Himring was garrisoned by [[Orcs]].<br />
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Maedhros had learned that [[Elwing]] of [[Doriath]], granddaughter of Lúthien and Beren, had inherited the Silmaril that they had recovered from Morgoth. Still driven by the Oath, he allowed his brother [[Celegorm]] to convince him to attack Doriath. Celegorm, [[Caranthir]], and [[Curufin]] were slain by Beren's son, [[Dior Eluchíl]], the King of Doriath, who was in-turn slain by them. Dior's sons, [[Eluréd]] and [[Elurín]], were captured and abandoned by Celegorm's servants in the forest, leading Maedhros to search for the innocent youths. After learning that Elwing had survived, he and his surviving brothers descended with an army upon the remnants of the people of Doriath living in the [[Havens of Sirion]]. The Noldorin princes killed many Elves and captured Elwing's sons [[Elrond]] and [[Elros]] in the sack, but she and her husband [[Eärendil the Mariner|Eärendil]] escaped to the [[Aman|West]] with the jewel.<br />
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After the [[War of Wrath]], he and his last surviving brother, [[Maglor]] stole the two remaining Silmarils taken by the [[Valar]] from Morgoth. But because of the evil deeds committed by the brothers to regain the jewels, they burned in Maglor's and Maedhros's hands. Unable to bear the suffering, Maedhros cast himself and the Silmaril he carried into a fiery chasm in the Earth.<br />
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== Etymology ==<br />
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Maedhros' [[father-name]] was ''[[Nelyafinwë]]'', meaning "Finwë the Third", shorter form ''Nelyo'', as his grandfather and father both shared the name ''Finwë''. ''[[Nelya]]'' is a [[Quenya]] adjective that means "third". His [[mother-name]] was ''[[Maitimo]]'', "Well-shaped One", for he was noted for his comeliness. His [[epessë]] was ''[[Russandol]]'', "Copper-top", referring to the dark red hair he inherited from his grandfather [[Mahtan]]. It is derived from ''[[russa]]'', a Quenya adjective meaning "red-haired". The name Maedhros is [[Sindarin]], and is said to mean "Pale-glitter" in ''[[The Etymologies]]''. It is formed by the adding up the [[Noldorin]] ''[[maidh]]'', meaning "pale", "fallow" or "fawn" and archaic Noldorin form ''[[rhoss]]'', which translates as "flash", "glitter of metal". However, in ''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]'', note# 65, the Sindarin form Maedhros is explained as having been derived from a contraction of his mother-name with his epessë (''Mait-'' + ''Rus-''). <br />
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== Genealogy ==<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| MHT | | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]|MHT=[[Mahtan]]}}<br />
{{familytree| |`|.| | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | NRD |~|y|~| FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| MDH | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]|MDH='''MAEDHROS'''}}<br />
{{familytree| | | MAG |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CEL | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|CEL=[[Celegorm]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | CAR |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |CAR=[[Caranthir]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CUR | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]|CUR=[[Curufin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | AMD |(| |`|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |AMD=[[Amrod]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |`| AMR | | CLB | | | | | | | |AMR=[[Amras]]|CLB=[[Celebrimbor]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
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== References ==<br />
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* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Return of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beleriand and Its Realms]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Doriath]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 1]]'', [[Gilfanon's Tale: The Travail of the Noldoli and the Coming of Mankind]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Nauglafring]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Annals of Aman]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Grey Annals]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]] <br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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== See Also ==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Maedhros|Images of Maedhros]]<br />
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[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Caranthir&diff=87108
Caranthir
2009-10-26T23:51:41Z
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{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Unknown Artist - Caranthir.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Caranthir the Dark<br />
| quenya=[[fn]] ''[[Morifinwë]]'' ([[mn]] ''[[Carnistir]]'')<br />
| titles=Lord of [[Thargelion]]<br />
| birth=Sometime during [[YOTT]], [[Tirion]]<br />
| realm=[[Thargelion]]<br />
| death=[[First Age 506|F.A. 506]], [[Menegroth]]<br />
| age=650+<br />
| parentage=[[Fëanor]] + [[Nerdanel]]<br />
| spouse=None<br />
| children=<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Dark<br />
| ref=''[[The Silmarillion]]'', ''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]''<br />
|}}<br />
{{Pronounce|Caranthir.mp3|Ardamir}}<br />
'''Caranthir''', the fourth of the [[Sons of Fëanor]], was also the harshest and the quickest to anger. He was known as "Caranthir the Dark".<br />
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== History ==<br />
As the other [[Sons of Fëanor]], Caranthir was bound by an [[Oath of Fëanor|oath]] to recover his father's [[Silmarils]], which had been stolen by the Dark Lord [[Morgoth]]. This oath took the seven brothers to [[Middle-earth]] during the [[First Age]], where they established realms in exile, waged war against the armies of Morgoth, fought their own [[Elvish]] kind, and eventually brought ruin upon themselves.<br />
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Caranthir's realm was in [[Thargelion]], and was sometimes called ''[[Dor Caranthir]]'' ("Caranthir's Land"). His abode was on the shores of [[Helevorn|Lake Helevorn]]. <br />
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In First Age c. 420, Caranthir rescued [[Haleth]] and her people, the [[Haladin]], as they were besieged by [[Orcs]]. When he saw the valor of [[Men]], he offered the Haladin a fiefdom in his lands to the North. However Haleth, wanting her people to serve no lord, thanked him but removed to the [[Forest of Brethil]]. <br />
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In 463, the [[Easterlings|Easterling]] [[Ulfang]] led his people over the [[Blue Mountains]] and swore allegiance to [[Maedhros]]. They were given land in [[Lothlann]] and became subjects of Caranthir.<br />
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In 472, the disaster of the [[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]] ("Battle of Unnumbered Tears") occurred, caused by the betrayal of the people of Ulfang. Caranthir lost his realm and was forced to retreat to [[Mount Dolmed]] with his surviving brothers.<br />
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In 505, he perished along with his brothers [[Celegorm]] and [[Curufin]] during the [[Second Kinslaying]], the attack by the Sons of Fëanor on [[Menegroth]] to recover a Silmaril from King [[Dior Eluchíl]] of [[Doriath]].<br />
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== Etymology ==<br />
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Caranthir's [[father-name]] was ''[[Morifinwë]]'', meaning "Dark [[Finwë]]", a reference to his dark hair. The [[Quenya]] word was formed using the noun ''[[mórë]]'', meaning "blackness", "night" or "dark", which became ''[[mori-]]'' when added to his grandfather's name, Finwë. His [[mother-name]] was ''[[Carnistir]]'', which can be translated as "Red-face". ''[[Carnë]]'' in Quenya means "red" or "scarlet". The name Caranthir is the [[Sindarin]] translation of his mother-name. <br />
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== Genealogy ==<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| MHT | | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]|MHT=[[Mahtan]]}}<br />
{{familytree| |`|.| | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | NRD |~|y|~| FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| MDH | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]|MDH=[[Maedhros]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | MAG |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CEL | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|CEL=[[Celegorm]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | CAR |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |CAR='''CARANTHIR'''}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CUR | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]|CUR=[[Curufin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | AMD |(| |`|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |AMD=[[Amrod]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |`| AMR | | CLB | | | | | | | |AMR=[[Amras]]|CLB=[[Celebrimbor]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
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== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==<br />
In ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', chapter called [[The Nauglafring]], he was called ''[[Cranthor]]'', while in the early version of the [[Quenta Silmarillion]], found in ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', he was named ''[[Cranthir]]''.<br />
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== References ==<br />
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* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Return of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beleriand and Its Realms]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Doriath]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Nauglafring]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Annals of Aman]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Grey Annals]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]] <br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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== See Also ==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Caranthir|Images of Caranthir]]<br />
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[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
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[[de:Caranthir]]<br />
[[fr:encyclo:personnages:elfes:noldor:caranthir]]<br />
[[fi:Caranthir]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Curufin&diff=87107
Curufin
2009-10-26T23:51:26Z
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{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Alan Michael - His Father's Son.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Curufin<br />
| quenya=[[fn]] ''[[Curufinwë]]'' ([[mn]] ''[[Atarinkë]]'')<br />
| titles=A lord of [[Himlad]] (under [[Celegorm]] his brother)<br />
| birth=Sometime during [[YOTT]], [[Tirion]], after 1250<br />
| realm=[[Himlad]]<br />
| death=[[First Age 506|F.A. 506]], [[Menegroth]]<br />
| age=650+<br />
| parentage=[[Fëanor]] + [[Nerdanel]]<br />
| spouse=Unknown<br />
| children=[[Celebrimbor]]<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Black<br />
| ref=<br />
|}}<br />
'''Curufin''' was a [[Noldor]]in prince, the fifth of the [[Sons of Fëanor|seven sons]] of [[Fëanor]] and [[Nerdanel]]. Curufin was Fëanor's favorite and much like him in appearance, temperament, and skill. He was also the father of [[Celebrimbor]], master jewel-smith of [[Eregion]], who forged the three [[Elves|Elvish]] [[Rings of Power]].<br />
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==History==<br />
====Flight of the Noldor====<br />
Curufin was born in [[Tirion]] during the [[Years of the Trees]] and he <br />
received the name ''[[Curufinwë]]'', same as his father. His [[mother-name]] was ''[[Atarinkë]]''. While in [[Valinor]], he married at some point, and his son's name was [[Celebrimbor]]. But Celebrimbor was unlike his father, and later on he came to dislike his deviousness and dealings with the other Noldor.<br />
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As with the other sons of Fëanor, Curufin bound himself by an [[Oath of Fëanor|oath]] to recover his father's [[Silmarils]], which had been stolen by the Dark Lord [[Morgoth]]. The Oath took him and his brothers to [[Endor]] during the [[First Age]] where they established realms in exile, waged war against the armies of Morgoth, fought their own Elvish kind, and eventually brought ruin upon themselves.<br />
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====Life in Beleriand====<br />
Curufin dwelt with his brother [[Celegorm]] in [[Himlad]], a pass that led into Kingdom of [[Doriath]], which the two brothers fortified and held until the [[Dagor Bragollach]]. Following the battle, the two brothers were defeated and had to flee with their people to [[Nargothrond]], where their cousin [[Finrod]] welcomed them.<br />
<br />
Shortly after, [[Beren Erchamion|Beren]] also came to Nargothrond to collect on an oath Finrod had made to his ancestor. Finrod decided to help Beren, but Celegorm and Curufin, remembering their own oath, persuaded the people of Nargothrond not to follow him, and not to wage open war against Morgoth, making them fearful.<br />
<br />
Finrod therefore had to leave with a handful of warriors, including Beren, and later died. His nephew [[Orodreth of Nargothrond|Orodreth]] was made to rule in his stead.<br />
<br />
====The Attack upon Beren====<br />
Later, Curufin and Celegorm went hunting with Celegorm's hound [[Huan]] and found [[Lúthien Tinúviel|Lúthien]], daughter of [[Thingol]], searching for Beren. Feigning to help her, they took her captive and brought her to Nargothrond, for Celegorm had become enamored and would have Thingol give him her hand. However Huan helped Lúthien to flee, and they freed Beren and other thralls from [[Sauron]]. As these thralls returned, the people of Nargothrond perceived the two brother's treachery, and though Orodreth would not let them be slain, he cast them from Nargothrond. <br />
<br />
The two brothers met Lúthien and Beren as they fled, and Curufin fought with the latter. Defeated, he had to flee with Celegorm, but sought to slay Lúthien even as he did, and shot Beren instead. <br />
<br />
Because of Celegorm and Curufin's wicked deeds, Thingol and Orodreth would not lend join the [[Union of Maedhros]] against Morgoth.<br />
<br />
====Death====<br />
Curufin fell in the [[Second Kinslaying]], when the Sons of Fëanor attacked Doriath to seize a Silmaril in the possession of the King [[Dior Eluchíl|Dior]] the Beautiful. Celegorm died with him during the assault.<br />
<br />
== Etymology ==<br />
Curufin's [[father-name]] was ''[[Curufinwë]]'' ("Skillful [son of] [[Finwë]]"), the same father-name given to Fëanor. Because Curufin was Fëanor's favorite son, he chose to give him the same name. His [[mother-name]] was ''[[Atarinkë]]'' ("Little Father"), choosen because of his physical resemblance to his father. The name Curufin is the [[Sindarin]] version of his father-name. It is stated in [[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]] that of all the sons of Fëanor only Curufin did not prefer to use his mother-name.<br />
<br />
== Genealogy ==<br />
<br />
<br><br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| MHT | | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]|MHT=[[Mahtan]]}}<br />
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{{familytree| | NRD |~|y|~| FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
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{{familytree| | | MAG |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CEL | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|CEL=[[Celegorm]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | CAR |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |CAR=[[Caranthir]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CUR | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]|CUR='''CURUFIN'''}}<br />
{{familytree| | | AMD |(| |`|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |AMD=[[Amrod]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |`| AMR | | CLB | | | | | | | |AMR=[[Amras]]|CLB=[[Celebrimbor]]}}<br />
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<br><br />
<br />
== References ==<br />
<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Return of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beleriand and Its Realms]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Maeglin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beren and Lúthien]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Doriath]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Tale of Tinúviel]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Nauglafring]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Annals of Aman]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Grey Annals]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[Of Dwarves and Men]], note #7 <br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Curufin|Images of Curufin]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
<br />
[[de:Curufin]]<br />
[[fr:encyclo:personnages:elfes:noldor:curufin]]<br />
[[fi:Curufin]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Amrod&diff=87106
Amrod
2009-10-26T23:51:09Z
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<div><br />
{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Jenny Dolfen - Amrod and Amras, sons of Feanor.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Amrod<br />
| quenya=[[fn]] ''[[Pityafinwë]]'' ([[mn]] ''[[Ambarussa]]'')<br />
| titles=<br />
| birth=Sometime during [[YOTT]], [[Tirion]]<br />
| realm=[[East Beleriand]]<br />
| death=[[FA 575]]<br />
| age=620+<br />
| parentage=[[Fëanor]] + [[Nerdanel]]<br />
| spouse=None<br />
| children=<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Dark red<br />
| ref=''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
'''Amrod''' ([[rod]] = power) ([[Years of the Trees]] – [[First Age]] 575), with his twin brother [[Amras]], was the youngest of the seven [[Sons of Fëanor]].<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
<br />
He, like his brothers, participated in the [[Flight of the Noldor]]. He was deeply attached to his twin, and both called one another "''[[Ambarussa]]''" (see below). After his brother's death in the Ships of the [[Teleri]] at [[Losgar]], according to the ''[[Shibboleth of Fëanor]]'', he dared speak against his father, and was the last to do so.<br />
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{{quote|In the morning the host was mustered, but of Fëanor's seven sons only six were to be found. Then Ambarussa went pale with fear. 'Did you not then rouse Ambarussa my brother (whom you called Ambarto?' he said. 'He would not come ashore to sleep (he said) in discomfort.' But it is thought (and no doubt Fëanor had guessed this also) that it was in the mind of Ambarto to sail his ship back [?afterwards] and rejoin Nerdanel; for he had been much [?shocked] by the deed of his father. That ship I destroyed first,' said Fëanor (hiding his own dismay). 'Then rightly you gave the name to the youngest of your children,' said Ambarussa, 'And ''Umbarto'' "the Fated" was its true form. Fell and fey are you become.' And after that no one dared to speak again to Fëanor of this matter.|''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]''}}<br />
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After Fëanor's death he dwelt in the wide plains of [[East Beleriand]] and was known as a great hunter. He died during the attack made by the Sons of Fëanor on the [[Havens of Sirion]].<br />
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== Etymology ==<br />
Amrod's [[father-name]] was '''[[Pityafinwë]]''', or "Little Finwë", as he was the youngest of the [[House of Finwë]] (debatably; Tolkien wavered on this point). The short form of his name was [[Pityo]], "Little One". His [[mother-name]] was '''[[Ambarussa]]''' ("top-russet", referring to his hair). His twin Amras shared the same mother-name for a time (see ''[[Amras]]'' for further information). The name ''Amrod'' is the [[Sindarin]] version of the short form of ''Pityafinwë'', ''Pityo''.<br />
<br />
== Genealogy ==<br />
<br />
<br><br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| MHT | | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]|MHT=[[Mahtan]]}}<br />
{{familytree| |`|.| | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | NRD |~|y|~| FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| MDH | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]|MDH=[[Maedhros]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | MAG |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
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{{familytree| | | CAR |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |CAR=[[Caranthir]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CUR | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]|CUR=[[Curufin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | AMD |(| |`|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |AMD='''AMROD'''}}<br />
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{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br><br />
<br />
== References ==<br />
<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Return of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beleriand and Its Realms]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Doriath]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Nauglafring]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Annals of Aman]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Grey Annals]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]] <br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
*[[:Category:Images of Amrod|Images of Amrod]]<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
[[Category:First Age characters]]<br />
[[Category:Years of the Trees characters]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Amras&diff=87105
Amras
2009-10-26T23:50:46Z
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<div>{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Jenny Dolfen - Amrod and Amras, sons of Feanor.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Amras<br />
| quenya=[[fn]] ''[[Telufinwë]]'' ([[mn]] ''[[Ambarussa]]'' or ''[[Umbarto]]/[[Ambarto]]'')<br />
| titles=<br />
| birth=Sometime during late [[YOTT]], [[Tirion]]<br />
| realm=[[Tirion]]<br />
| death=[[YOTT 1500]]<br />
| age=50+<br />
| parentage=[[Fëanor]] + [[Nerdanel]]<br />
| spouse=None<br />
| children=<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Red<br />
| ref=''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]''<br />
|}}<br />
'''Amras''' and his twin brother [[Amrod]] were the youngest sons of [[Fëanor]]. Through their mother [[Nerdanel]] they inherited red hair (probably a dark red), instead of Fëanor's black.<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
<br />
He joined his brothers in the [[Oath of Fëanor]], but his mother Nerdanel begged that either he or Amrod be left behind, believing in her heart that one would not return. Fëanor, however, refused her this kindness, and paid for it. Amras was accidentally killed in the swan ships of the [[Teleri]] when his father ordered them to be burnt at [[Losgar]]. According to the ''[[Shibboleth]]'', he claimed (to Amrod) to have felt uncomfortable sleeping on the ground after the Noldor landed on the [[Lammoth]]. It was thought later that he wished to return to his mother in the ship, being shocked by his father's deeds. Fëanor was probably aware of his dissention, and this may have been one of the elements of his decision to burn the ships even before all the food and stores had been got out. Yet he was in great dismay when he learned of his son's death, and doubtless remembered the foreboding words of his wife.<br />
<br />
==Other versions of the Legendarium==<br />
<br />
In the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' and in earlier texts he is said to have lived on to [[Beleriand]] and ruled with his twin Amrod over lands west of the [[Blue Mountains]].<br />
<br />
== Etymology ==<br />
Amras' [[father-name]] in [[Quenya]] was '''[[Telufinwë]]''', "Last [of] Finwë", for he was the last of the sons of the [[House of Finwë]] and its short form was ''Telvo''. His [[mother-name]] was originally '''[[Ambarussa]]''' ("Top-russet", referring to his hair), the same as his twin Amrod, but Fëanor insisted that the twins ought to have different names and Nerdanel prophetically called him '''[[Umbarto]]''', "The Fated" (from ''[[umbar]]'' = "fate"). His father, disturbed by it, changed it to '''[[Ambarto]]''', "Upwards-exalted" (from ''[[amba]]'' = "upwards, top" and ''[[arta]]'' = "exalted", "lofty"). Nevertheless both twins called each other ''Ambarussa''.<br />
<br />
The name ''Amras'' is the Sindarin version of ''Ambarussa''.<br />
<br />
In later notes found in ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', Tolkien mentions that he wished to change the name to ''[[Amros]]'' because of linguistic issues. While this occured late in life, and there are no known manuscripts written later that contradict this, its canonicity is in dispute.<br />
<br />
== Genealogy ==<br />
<br />
<br><br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| MHT | | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]|MHT=[[Mahtan]]}}<br />
{{familytree| |`|.| | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | NRD |~|y|~| FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
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{{familytree| | | MAG |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CEL | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|CEL=[[Celegorm]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | CAR |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |CAR=[[Caranthir]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CUR | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]|CUR=[[Curufin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | AMD |(| |`|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |AMD=[[Amrod]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |`| AMR | | CLB | | | | | | | |AMR='''AMRAS'''|CLB=[[Celebrimbor]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br><br />
<br />
== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==<br />
There is no trace of the death of Amras at Losgar in the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', as it was a very late idea by [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]], omitted by [[Christopher Tolkien]] as he did not at the time see how it could be incorporated into the primary text of ''The Silmarillion''. Where both Amrod and Amras are mentioned in the published text after the landing in Losgar, it should according to Tolkien's later wishes be Amrod alone. The information regarding Amras' naming, especially, comes from ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]''.<br />
<br />
== References ==<br />
<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Return of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beleriand and Its Realms]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Doriath]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Nauglafring]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Annals of Aman]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Grey Annals]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]] <br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
<br />
*[[:Category:Images of Amras|Images of Amras]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
[[Category:Years of the Trees characters]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Celegorm&diff=87104
Celegorm
2009-10-26T23:50:21Z
<p>Þelma: </p>
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<div><br />
{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Ivanneth_Celegorm.jpeg|Celegorm by Ivanneth|250px]]<br />
| name=Celegorm the Fair<br />
| quenya=[[fn]] ''[[Turcafinwë]]'' ([[mn]] ''[[Tyelkormo]]'')<br />
| titles=Lord of [[Himlad]]<br />
| birth=Sometime during [[YOTT]], [[Tirion]]<br />
| realm=[[Himlad]]<br />
| death=[[First Age 506|F.A. 506]], [[Menegroth]]<br />
| age=650+<br />
| parentage=[[Fëanor]] + [[Nerdanel]]<br />
| spouse=None<br />
| children=<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Disputed; either golden or dark<br />
| marks=<br />
|}}<br />
'''Celegorm the Fair''' was the third son of [[Fëanor]] and [[Nerdanel]], and a constant companion of his younger brother, [[Curufin]].<br />
<br />
Celegorm was a great huntsman, and was a friend of the [[Valar|Vala]] [[Oromë]]. From Oromë he learned great skill of birds and beasts, and could understand a number of their languages. He had brought with him from [[Valinor]] the great hound [[Huan]], a gift from Oromë.<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
<br />
As with the other [[Sons of Fëanor]], Celegorm was bound by an [[Oath of Fëanor|oath]] to recover his father's [[Silmarils]], which had been stolen by the Dark Lord [[Morgoth]]. His oath took him and his brothers to Middle-earth during the First Age where they established realms in exile, waged war against the armies of Morgoth, fought their own Elvish kind, and eventually brought ruin upon themselves.<br />
<br />
He dwelt with his brother Curufin in [[Himlad]], a pass that led into Kingdom of [[Doriath]], which the two brothers fortified and held until the [[Dagor Bragollach]]. Following the battle, the two brothers were defeated and had to flee with their people to [[Nargothrond]], where their cousin [[Finrod Felagund]] welcomed them.<br />
<br />
While he and his brother Curufin lived in Nargothrond they almost took it over at the departure of Finrod Felagund. They both had great influence, for both were great orators. They captured [[Lúthien Tinúviel]], daughter of King [[Thingol]] of Doriath. Celegorm wished to marry her, thus forcing a bond of kinship with Thingol. Huan, however, broke with his master and helped Lúthien escape. He was expelled from Nargothrond at the order of [[Orodreth of Nargothrond|Orodreth]].<br />
<br />
Celegorm fell in the [[Second Kinslaying]], when the [[Sons of Fëanor]] attacked Doriath to seize a Silmaril in the possession of the Elvish King [[Dior Eluchíl]]. Dior and Celegorm slew each other in the halls of [[Menegroth]].<br />
<br />
[[Image:Jenny Dolfen and Anke Eißmann - Celegorm and Curufin.jpg|thumb|left|400px|''Celegorm and Curufin in Nargothrond'' by [[Jenny Dolfen]]]]<br />
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== Etymology ==<br />
Celegorm's [[father-name]] was '''''[[Turcafinwë]]''''', which in [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]] is translated as "Strong, powerful(in body) Finwë". His [[mother-name]] was '''''[[Tyelkormo]]''''', meaning "Hasty-riser" a reference to his quick temper. ''[[Tyelka]]'', in [[Quenya]], is an adjective which means "swift, agile or hasty". The name Celegorm is the [[Sindarin]] version of his [[mother-name]]. The [[Noldorin]] ''[[celeg]]'' has the same meaning as tyelka, as they are both derived from the root ''kyelek''.<br />
<br />
==Celegorm's Hair==<br />
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There has long been put forth the question as to the nature of Celegorm's hair. Most writings seem to indicate that he had "fair" hair, hence his title "''Celegorm the Fair''". But Tolkien has also remarked numerous times that the [[Noldor]] were accustomed to have dark hair, the only exceptions being when the person in question was descended at least in part from the [[Vanyar]] (for example, [[Idril Celebrindal]] and [[Finarfin]]). Therefor we have only a few options: (1) Celegorm did not have light-colored hair, (2) Celegorm did have light-colored hair. The only way for the latter to be true is either that Nerdanel had traces of Vanyarin blood in her, or that it was not Tolkien's final intent to have all Noldor with dark hair. It is also possible that Tolkien did not examine this point deeply.<br />
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== Genealogy ==<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| MHT | | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]|MHT=[[Mahtan]]}}<br />
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{{familytree| | NRD |~|y|~| FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| MDH | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]|MDH=[[Maedhros]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | MAG |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CEL | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|CEL='''CELEGORM'''}}<br />
{{familytree| | | CAR |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |CAR=[[Caranthir]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CUR | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]|CUR=[[Curufin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | AMD |(| |`|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |AMD=[[Amrod]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |`| AMR | | CLB | | | | | | | |AMR=[[Amras]]|CLB=[[Celebrimbor]]}}<br />
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== References ==<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Return of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beleriand and Its Realms]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Maeglin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beren and Lúthien]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Doriath]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Tale of Tinúviel]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Nauglafring]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Annals of Aman]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Grey Annals]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]] <br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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==See Also==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Celegorm|Images of Celegorm]]<br />
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[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
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[[de:Celegorm]]<br />
[[fr:encyclo:personnages:elfes:noldor:celegorm]]<br />
[[fi:Celegorm]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Maglor&diff=87103
Maglor
2009-10-26T23:49:53Z
<p>Þelma: </p>
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<div>{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Jenny Dolfen - Maglor, son of Feanor.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Maglor<br />
| quenya=[[fn]] ''[[Canafinwë]]'' ([[mn]] ''[[Makalaurë]]'')<br />
| titles=Lord of [[Maglor's Gap]], [[High King of the Noldor]] (briefly)<br />
| birth=Sometime during [[YOTT]], [[Tirion]]<br />
| realm=[[Maglor's Gap]]<br />
| death=Unknown, if ever<br />
| age=<br />
| parentage=[[Fëanor]] + [[Nerdanel]]<br />
| spouse=None<br />
| children=<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Dark<br />
| ref=''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
'''Maglor''' was the second of the [[Sons of Fëanor]], who inherited more of his mother [[Nerdanel|Nerdanel's]] gentle spirit than any of his brothers. Maglor was famed as a poet and bard, but he took the [[Oath of Fëanor]] in [[Tirion]] and shared in the woes that came of it. <br />
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==History==<br />
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Maglor followed his father, [[Fëanor]], into exile, and saw him perish at the hands of the [[Balrogs]]. With the rest of his brothers, he dwelt to the east of [[Beleriand]], and Maglor settled between the [[Little Gelion]] and [[Greater Gelion]], the two rivers that came together to form the long [[Gelion]] itself. That region—which came to be known as '''[[Maglor's Gap]]'''—lacked hills or mountains, and so was the place on Beleriand's border that was most open to attack from the north.<br />
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[[Image:Ted Nasmith - Maglor Casts a Silmaril into the Sea.jpg|thumb|left|''Maglor Casts a Silmaril into the Sea'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
Maglor guarded his Gap for four and a half centuries, but was eventually overcome in the [[Dagor Bragollach]]. The dragon [[Glaurung]] invaded Maglor's land and ruined it, so that he was forced to flee to the fortress of his brother [[Maedhros]] on the hill of [[Himring]] to the west. Sixteen years later, he marched out with Maedhros to the great battle that should have seen the revenge of the [[Elves]] on [[Morgoth]], but was brought to ruin by the treachery of [[Uldor the Accursed]]. Maglor slew Uldor himself, but the field was lost; that was the battle afterwards called the [[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]], the "Battle of Unnumbered Tears".<br />
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All six (or seven) of Fëanor's remaining sons survived the Nirnaeth (Amras perished at Losgar in one version). In the years leading up to that battle, one of the three [[Silmarils]] had been recovered from [[Iron Crown|Morgoth's Crown]], and had come eventually to be held by [[Dior]] in [[Doriath]]. He would not surrender it to the brothers' claims, and so they assaulted Thingol's ancient kingdom. [[Celegorm]], [[Caranthir]] and [[Curufin]] all fell in that futile battle. Now only three of Fëanor's sons survived: Maglor, the eldest son Maedhros, and the youngest son [[Amrod]]. After some years had passed, the three came to learn that a Silmaril was held by [[Elwing]] at the [[Mouths of Sirion]], and though they restrained themselves for some time, their Oath compelled them to take back the jewel. So they assaulted their fellow Elves, and Elwing escaped with the Silmaril across the [[Belegaer|Sea]] to her husband [[Eärendil the Mariner|Eärendil]], and together they sailed into the [[West]]. That voyage would in time bring about the downfall of Morgoth.<br />
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After the destruction of Morgoth, the last two Silmarils were recovered from his Crown. By this time, only Maedhros and Maglor remained of Fëanor's sons, and Maglor came close to repenting the Oath. Wearily, he accompanied his brother in the theft of the Silmarils, but their evil deeds in recovering them meant that the holy Jewels burned their skin. Maedhros in despair leapt into a fiery fissure, and Maglor, the last of the Sons of Fëanor to survive, cast his Silmaril into the Sea. Legend says that he still wanders the shores of the World, singing laments for his despair and regret.<br />
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==Etymology==<br />
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His [[father-name]] was '''''[[Canafinwë]]''''', a name which in [[Quenya]] means "Strong-voiced [of] [[Finwë]]". It is derived from ''[[cáno]]'', a noun which means "commander", added to the name of his grandfather. His [[mother-name]] was '''''[[Makalaurë]]'''''. In [[The Etymologies]] it is interpreted as "Gold-cleaver". A possible explanation for this translation is given in [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]], where it is stated that the name might be a reference to his skill in harping, whose sound was golden.<br />
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== Genealogy ==<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| MHT | | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]|MHT=[[Mahtan]]}}<br />
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{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
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{{familytree| | | MAG |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |MAG='''MAGLOR'''}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CEL | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|CEL=[[Celegorm]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | CAR |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |CAR=[[Caranthir]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CUR | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]|CUR=[[Curufin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | AMD |(| |`|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |AMD=[[Amrod]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |`| AMR | | CLB | | | | | | | |AMR=[[Amras]]|CLB=[[Celebrimbor]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
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== References ==<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Return of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beleriand and Its Realms]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Doriath]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 1]]'', [[Gilfanon's Tale: The Travail of the Noldoli and the Coming of Mankind]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Nauglafring]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Annals of Aman]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Grey Annals]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]] <br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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==See Also==<br />
*[[:Category:Images of Maglor|Images of Maglor]]<br />
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[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ederchil&diff=84700
User talk:Ederchil
2009-06-22T10:34:59Z
<p>Þelma: </p>
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<div>{{usertalk}}<br />
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==Archive==<br />
===[[User talk:Ederchil/2008|2008]]===<br />
In which:<br />
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*[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] welcomes me, invites me for the chat, discusses the [[Calendar]], and asks my opinion on the Ithilien skin.<br />
*[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] comments on Uyldert's ''schotschrift''.<br />
* [[User:Sigismond|Sigismond]] plays [[wikipedia:Brühl|Brühl]] tourguide, and discusses a proper translation of ''etwas vereinheitlichen''.<br />
* [[User:Quidon88|Quidon88]] has cousins over, and discusses [[Steven White Jr.|a wanted page]].<br />
* [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]], [[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] and yours sincerely have a ''gezelli'' semi-Dutch/semi-English conversation about redirects.<br />
* [[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] doesn't like my self-nomination of [[Glamdring]] for FA, and rightly so.<br />
* As a result of my very first [[:template:w|Welcome!]], [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] ends up on my Talk Page rather than Hyarion's.<br />
* [[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] doesn't like me dogpiling, and rightly so.<br />
* [[Soni Alcorn-Hender|Bohwe]] likes me liking her art.<br />
* [[User:Sage|Sage]] discusses the faults in the [[Tale of Years]] and In-Universe/Out-of-Universe.<br />
* [[User:KingAragorn|KingAragorn]] and [[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] urge me to accept my Admin nomination.<br />
* [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] and [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] discuss the proper usage of "Prince".<br />
* [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] throws in a bucket of [[Unquendor|'''''The''''' Netherlands]] related messages.<br />
* [[User:Quidon88|Quidon88]] and [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] discuss games as part of [[Adaptations]] with me. <br />
* [[User:Ingwe]] wants his desriptions back in [[:Category:Images by Roger Garland|Garland's pics]].<br />
* [[User:Hyarion]] and [[User:Theoden1]] check out of meetings.<br />
* [[User:Numenorian]] ''(sic)'' ''sics''.<br />
* [[User:Aule the Smith]] discusses Windows.<br />
* [[User:Breragor]] is lost in wiki-lingo.<br />
* [[User:Sage]] discusses dates. No, not that kind.<br />
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== Carn Dum ==<br />
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Hi, what did you not like in that article's analysis? shouldn't we mention that the name ''can be'' Sindarin, and if so, we don't know the words? [[User:Temp|Temp]] 08:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, at first I disagreed, but with the current reword it's fine. I removed the phrase "The circumflex ^ is used by Tolkien in Sindarin extra long vowels[2], but these words have not been attested in Sindarin." because there are plenty of those in Sindarin, even with the û - Udûn, for one. But properly sourced, it's good. Note that we're still working on referencing, but we pretty much agreed on [[User:Ederchil/Sandbox#LotR|these]]. Keep up the work - don't be shy, go ahead and completely rewrite an article instead of adding a couple of sentences if you think it needs it. Even very minor characters like [[Gildor Inglorion]] or even [[Nob]] could have a very good article. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 09:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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How do you get those little boxes and such that say your name and have links to talk, profile, etc.? {{unsigned|Breragor}}<br />
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:Just click on "edit" on those pages and see the code they are composed of (some combination of {{, | and ]] etc etc) [[User:Sage|Sage]] 00:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::Or go here: [[Help:Signatures]]. But keep it within the borders of sanity, please. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Reading order==<br />
Hi again... I know new fans usually wonder about the reading order and I don't know if you ever thought about it. Now it just crossed my mind to make such an article about anyone interested. I plan to start such an article and I hope you have stuff to add. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 00:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I do have a newbie's reading order, actually. I give it occasionally on IMDb, where I'm a regular on the LotR boards.<br />
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# The Hobbit - purely for introductionary reasons<br />
# The Lord of the Rings<br />
# Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age - basically a summary of LotR from a historian's perspective<br />
# The Third Age parts of Unfinished Tales (though The Drúedain and The Istari can be skipped for now)<br />
# The rest of the Silmarillion<br />
# The rest of Unfinished Tales<br />
# The Letters<br />
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:I just don't have a clue what to call such an article. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:18, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
==Elvish database==<br />
I read somewhere that the creation of a Tolkienian wiktionary was one of the ambitions of this wiki. Check out my first attempts. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 16:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
==Template==<br />
I like it. My only concern is that perhaps references are overloaded and I would point your attention to some minimalism. There is no need to see everywhere "J.R.R. Tolkien" and "J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.)" again and again in almost every reference. I mean people knows who wrote them. After all, the wiki is about Tolkien.<br><br />
I am telling this because in a proposed guideline it was (by you?) mentioned that well-known facts need no referencing (like that Bilbo was a Hobbit). Same perhaps would apply to the References themselves.<br><br />
Of course overly formality is a respected option. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 13:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:It can be a bit over-the-top, of course. But my main goal with always including the author was meant for the secondary and semi-secondary works. Originally, I favoured just doing ''Book'', "Chapter", but I think that got expanded at one of the meetings. <br />
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:"[[Vinyar Tengwar 45]], page 24" says nothing to anyone who doesn't have VT (and even to people that do). When JRRT wrote it, it must be made clear. When someone other than JRRT wrote it, that must also be made clear. Just my thoughts. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 13:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Template:VGC==<br />
I put in the talk page of the template while I called it VGC. Also, I put in the publisher as a way to substitute the author found on template:HM. --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 22:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I read the talk pages after I edited, and wanted to respond, but Safari left me. We don't have a standard (yet) citation. Last year, I tried to get some consensus on the matter, and we sorta formulated a couple of things, but they were shelved for a while; let's just say there was a frost in Spring, or a blight in Summer.<br />
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:As for more games; for that to work, it's best to simply create links to sections, such as in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)#The Shire]]''.<br />
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:Also, keep a couple of things in mind. While chapter summaries can go in present tense, character pages (such as [[Amartiel]]) would have to be past tense. Also, avoid contractions like "isn't". -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Witch-king==<br />
You said you needed a summary for our new Featured Article ;-)<br />
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The '''[[Witch-king of Angmar]]''' (before [[Second Age]] 2200 - [[Third Age 3019]], [[March 15]]) was the chief of the [[Nazgûl]], King of [[Angmar]], and [[Sauron]]’s great captain in his wars. A wraith, the Witch-king of Angmar was nearly indestructible, a terrible warrior, and a cunning strategist. As predicted by [[Glorfindel]] he fell by the hand of a woman, [[Éowyn]], in the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]] and his death marked the beginn of Sauron's downfall.<br />
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It's taken from the article for the greatest part but I added the last sentence about his fall. - [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Like it. I really had one wish: that it included Glorfindel and Eowyn. I am going to change that date around, though. And properly credit the image ;P -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Re:Songs==<br />
I will consider it. And thank you for the "poem" installation, i didn't knew it existed. As for Khazad-Dum, It is spelled so in Summoning's CD. However, I've added the line (-). Originally it is written "Khazad Dúm" <br>[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 07:53, 19 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Then I'll move it to ''[[Khazad Dúm (song)]]'' for consistency. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== New Articles for Battle for Middle-earth 2 ==<br />
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May i have permission to create several articles about Battle for Middle-earth 2? For Example, "Dwarves in BFME2", that analyse the Dwarven force, and its accuracy in Tolkien's writings or its differece from it. Another example is "Maps of BFME2" that states and describes every map in the game and if it has differences from the original one (Forlindon in the game-Forlindon in Tolkien's writings). - [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 16:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope. That's for a section "Portrayal in adaptations" in [[Dwarves]] proper, [[Forlindon]], or maybe a section "Differences from the books" in BFME2, detailing changes in geography. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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=="Grelvish"==<br />
The phrase on my user page was designed to frustrate you, but I deemed it dumb and therefore took it off my user page. It said, roughly, "This is designed to frustrate you, It uses both Sindarin and Quenya, Use it to frustrate others." However, I took it off because nobody will take the time to translate it. [[User:LotRfan01|LotRfan01]] 00:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I actually took some time, but gave up when nothing made sense. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Multiple language words ==<br />
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If they are unrelated languages, I separate them with ----. Related identical words like [[aran]] are commented together. I still struggle with an easy readable layout [[User:Sage|Sage]] 11:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I was thinking sort of a wiktionary approach, is that a good idea? (Aran needs cleanup, btw). -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Calendar==<br />
As I'm working on the events in Arda I have created a Google Calendar in order to keep track of the many events in different years. I inserted the events between April 2009 and March 2010 (unfortunately Google doesn't offer a Shire Calendar^^) and included the year in the description (e.g. "3021 - Samwise returns to Bag End").<br />
Here comes the [http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=uoi3d4kjdk8cf158golqj0up80%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/Berlin&pvttk=18c51903aa73206be377be6aaf5ea5bc address].<br />
I think that it could prevent us from losing track, couldn't it? :)<br />
-- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:That's a good one. It certainly helps you keep track of everything. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:45, 12 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Decipher Cards ==<br />
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yes. you can see it [http://lotrtcgdb.com/pages/LOTR17006.html here.]<br />
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Oh, and i have a collection of Gimli's cards (around 20) each one with different attributes and names (Gimli-Lord of the Glittering Caves/Gimli-Faithful Companion for example). Shall i upload them? (In the To-do-list is written that every Decipher card shall be uploaded. If so, we can take them form [http://lotrtcgdb.com// here.] [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 11:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Okay, didn't know Thorin III had one. But Fror and Farin are NOT the characters from the Appendices, so I've removed those pictures from the articles. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::ok. and what about the other cards? [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 11:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, a scaled down version of the full card can be done? We do need a Fairuse-Decipher template for it, though. They're apparently (c) by NLP (New Line?), TE (Tolkien Enterprises) and Decipher. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::What do you mean by "scaled down"? we can place it as a card or only the image. the images resolution is 350x400.[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 11:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I thought of uploading the images scaled down to about 75%. But since several other sites have them at 100%, I don't think it will be much of a problem fair use-wise. I think it's a better idea to categorize the decipher cards under their image set, rahter than [[:Category:Images of Decipher Cards showing Gimli|what characters are included]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::::intersting. let me know if you have ideas of sub categorizing. If you want to upload images, i've given you the link.[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, look at [[Decipher_Card#Products|here]]. If we categorize them as "Category: Images from Reflections" or something (maybe "Images from Reflections (Decipher cards)"?), that way we can make the individual set pages redirects to the category. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Good. I'll try to contribute.[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Disclaimer==<br />
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THE LORD OF THE RINGS ONLINE™: interactive video game © 2009 Turbine, Inc. and patents pending. All rights reserved. Middle-Earth Poster Map © 2007 The Saul Zaentz Company, d/b/a Tolkien Enterprises (SZC), under license to Turbine, Inc. All rights reserved. "The Lord of the Rings Online", "Mines of Moria", "Shadows of Angmar", The Watcher logo, "Conquer the World Beneath", "The Lord of the Rings", and the names of the characters, events, items and places therein are trademarks or registered trademarks of SZC under license to Turbine, Inc. Turbine and the Turbine logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of Turbine, Inc. in the U.S. and/or other jurisdictions. The ESRB rating icons are registered trademarks of the Entertainment Software Association. Windows and the Windows Vista Start button logo are registered trademarks or trademarks of Microsoft Corporation in the United States and/or other countries and 'Games for Windows' and the Windows Vista Start button logo are used under license from Microsoft. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 00:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 13:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Delete ==<br />
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please delete [[Image:WAR-ICONS Harad device.gif]] and [[Image:WAR-ICONS Harad device.png]]. I was just trying to create a device for battles with [[:Category:Images of Signs and Symbols|these]] images, but it wasn't good as the white background in the images does still appear. {{unsigned|Mthomas}}<br />
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:Done. if you want an image deleted, just add [[:Template:Delete]], and say "delete" in the edit summary, I'll catch them then. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:22, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Rollback ==<br />
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Dear Ederchil,<br />
<br />
I want to make a question: How can I get rollback rights (if there are any)? I am already a rollbacker in another wiki, Halopedia (www.halo.wikia.com), and I would like to know how can I obtain these rights here<br />
<br />
Thanks for your time,<br />
<br />
--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 14:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, we don't just give out rollback rights here. I've got rollback rights on several wikia's too, but those were given to me after I actually did something about vandalism. We're a very small-staffed wiki project, but any vandalism is quickly reverted by sysops. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:14, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::When you say a small-staffed wiki project, how many do you mean? Of course, I don't expect to have the same community as Wookieepedia but I believe we are many. Am I wrong? Finally, how can someone become a Featured Gatekeeper? I this something like the User of the Month? I don't plan to nominate myself, I want to know.--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 18:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, we have two sysops - Hyarion and me, and for the rest, its users. We might expand on that in the future, but for now, it's sufficient. <br />
:::We don't have any guidelines for Featured Gatekeeper. Yet. It's one of those plans that never really got off the ground. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
==Tengwar==<br />
In some articles I have added such a "disclaimer". I think they were removed by someone or in others I forgot to add. Thanks for reminding me. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 20:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm thinking something that is unmissable, much like the other templates. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Btw I was surprised that you had in hand the complete sources about the Gondolindic Runes. Do you actually possess these copies, or found any online references? How come you know the source about almost anything mentioned? That's impressive! That article would need some more exact sourcing [[User:Sage|Sage]] 09:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I only have PE15, and the other refs are mentioned there (but not precise). I don't have the Mallorn issues, but I've ordered them. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 09:46, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== TSR ==<br />
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Morning! :) Long time no talk. I am in the process of founding Tolkien Society Romania, along with a friend, and that's one of the reasons my editing here on TG has been done sporadically. We want to launch the website and have our first meeting as fast as possible, since it is already exams period and then the summer will come, the members will go back home for the holidays. Unfortunately, as I was warned by one of the guys at Tolkien Society, websites have a way of taking longer to complete than we are expecting. <br />
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And here comes my question. I was wondering if I could get "inspired" from what I wrote here to form a few articles on the TSR website. To make things clear, I would get inspired strictly from what I wrote. I do plan to continue in the future to write both for TG and for the TSR website and NOT the same stuff. So it won't be copy there paste here and vice versa. But for now there's a lot going on, my time is very limited and I am trying to launch the website with as few blank pages as possible. It’s the first Tolkien Society ever created in Romania and I want things to go as good as possible. And as fast as possible. <br />
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So, what do you think? I haven't had time to go through what I wrote yet, but if you want article names and such, I'll take a look and let you know. <br />
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Have a good day! :) ~~ [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] 08:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Personally, I don't have a problem with that. TG's text is available under [[wikipedia:GNU Free Documentation License|GNU FDL]]. <br />
:And don't hesitate to promote TSR. Make the [[Tolkien Society Romania|page]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: Oh, good! That's good news. I will promote TSR, both here and in the TS links page (I'll see if I can find more places). Alright, then, thanks a lot. :) ~~ [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] 08:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: Almost there with the site. #:-S. You'll be in my "Thank You"s section. Do you want to appear as Ederchil or Olof? ~~ [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] 10:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)</div>
Þelma
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==Archive==<br />
===[[User talk:Ederchil/2008|2008]]===<br />
In which:<br />
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*[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] welcomes me, invites me for the chat, discusses the [[Calendar]], and asks my opinion on the Ithilien skin.<br />
*[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] comments on Uyldert's ''schotschrift''.<br />
* [[User:Sigismond|Sigismond]] plays [[wikipedia:Brühl|Brühl]] tourguide, and discusses a proper translation of ''etwas vereinheitlichen''.<br />
* [[User:Quidon88|Quidon88]] has cousins over, and discusses [[Steven White Jr.|a wanted page]].<br />
* [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]], [[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] and yours sincerely have a ''gezelli'' semi-Dutch/semi-English conversation about redirects.<br />
* [[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] doesn't like my self-nomination of [[Glamdring]] for FA, and rightly so.<br />
* As a result of my very first [[:template:w|Welcome!]], [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] ends up on my Talk Page rather than Hyarion's.<br />
* [[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] doesn't like me dogpiling, and rightly so.<br />
* [[Soni Alcorn-Hender|Bohwe]] likes me liking her art.<br />
* [[User:Sage|Sage]] discusses the faults in the [[Tale of Years]] and In-Universe/Out-of-Universe.<br />
* [[User:KingAragorn|KingAragorn]] and [[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] urge me to accept my Admin nomination.<br />
* [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] and [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] discuss the proper usage of "Prince".<br />
* [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] throws in a bucket of [[Unquendor|'''''The''''' Netherlands]] related messages.<br />
* [[User:Quidon88|Quidon88]] and [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] discuss games as part of [[Adaptations]] with me. <br />
* [[User:Ingwe]] wants his desriptions back in [[:Category:Images by Roger Garland|Garland's pics]].<br />
* [[User:Hyarion]] and [[User:Theoden1]] check out of meetings.<br />
* [[User:Numenorian]] ''(sic)'' ''sics''.<br />
* [[User:Aule the Smith]] discusses Windows.<br />
* [[User:Breragor]] is lost in wiki-lingo.<br />
* [[User:Sage]] discusses dates. No, not that kind.<br />
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== Carn Dum ==<br />
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Hi, what did you not like in that article's analysis? shouldn't we mention that the name ''can be'' Sindarin, and if so, we don't know the words? [[User:Temp|Temp]] 08:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, at first I disagreed, but with the current reword it's fine. I removed the phrase "The circumflex ^ is used by Tolkien in Sindarin extra long vowels[2], but these words have not been attested in Sindarin." because there are plenty of those in Sindarin, even with the û - Udûn, for one. But properly sourced, it's good. Note that we're still working on referencing, but we pretty much agreed on [[User:Ederchil/Sandbox#LotR|these]]. Keep up the work - don't be shy, go ahead and completely rewrite an article instead of adding a couple of sentences if you think it needs it. Even very minor characters like [[Gildor Inglorion]] or even [[Nob]] could have a very good article. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 09:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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How do you get those little boxes and such that say your name and have links to talk, profile, etc.? {{unsigned|Breragor}}<br />
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:Just click on "edit" on those pages and see the code they are composed of (some combination of {{, | and ]] etc etc) [[User:Sage|Sage]] 00:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::Or go here: [[Help:Signatures]]. But keep it within the borders of sanity, please. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Reading order==<br />
Hi again... I know new fans usually wonder about the reading order and I don't know if you ever thought about it. Now it just crossed my mind to make such an article about anyone interested. I plan to start such an article and I hope you have stuff to add. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 00:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I do have a newbie's reading order, actually. I give it occasionally on IMDb, where I'm a regular on the LotR boards.<br />
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# The Hobbit - purely for introductionary reasons<br />
# The Lord of the Rings<br />
# Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age - basically a summary of LotR from a historian's perspective<br />
# The Third Age parts of Unfinished Tales (though The Drúedain and The Istari can be skipped for now)<br />
# The rest of the Silmarillion<br />
# The rest of Unfinished Tales<br />
# The Letters<br />
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:I just don't have a clue what to call such an article. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:18, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
==Elvish database==<br />
I read somewhere that the creation of a Tolkienian wiktionary was one of the ambitions of this wiki. Check out my first attempts. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 16:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
==Template==<br />
I like it. My only concern is that perhaps references are overloaded and I would point your attention to some minimalism. There is no need to see everywhere "J.R.R. Tolkien" and "J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.)" again and again in almost every reference. I mean people knows who wrote them. After all, the wiki is about Tolkien.<br><br />
I am telling this because in a proposed guideline it was (by you?) mentioned that well-known facts need no referencing (like that Bilbo was a Hobbit). Same perhaps would apply to the References themselves.<br><br />
Of course overly formality is a respected option. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 13:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:It can be a bit over-the-top, of course. But my main goal with always including the author was meant for the secondary and semi-secondary works. Originally, I favoured just doing ''Book'', "Chapter", but I think that got expanded at one of the meetings. <br />
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:"[[Vinyar Tengwar 45]], page 24" says nothing to anyone who doesn't have VT (and even to people that do). When JRRT wrote it, it must be made clear. When someone other than JRRT wrote it, that must also be made clear. Just my thoughts. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 13:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Template:VGC==<br />
I put in the talk page of the template while I called it VGC. Also, I put in the publisher as a way to substitute the author found on template:HM. --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 22:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I read the talk pages after I edited, and wanted to respond, but Safari left me. We don't have a standard (yet) citation. Last year, I tried to get some consensus on the matter, and we sorta formulated a couple of things, but they were shelved for a while; let's just say there was a frost in Spring, or a blight in Summer.<br />
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:As for more games; for that to work, it's best to simply create links to sections, such as in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)#The Shire]]''.<br />
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:Also, keep a couple of things in mind. While chapter summaries can go in present tense, character pages (such as [[Amartiel]]) would have to be past tense. Also, avoid contractions like "isn't". -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Witch-king==<br />
You said you needed a summary for our new Featured Article ;-)<br />
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The '''[[Witch-king of Angmar]]''' (before [[Second Age]] 2200 - [[Third Age 3019]], [[March 15]]) was the chief of the [[Nazgûl]], King of [[Angmar]], and [[Sauron]]’s great captain in his wars. A wraith, the Witch-king of Angmar was nearly indestructible, a terrible warrior, and a cunning strategist. As predicted by [[Glorfindel]] he fell by the hand of a woman, [[Éowyn]], in the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]] and his death marked the beginn of Sauron's downfall.<br />
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It's taken from the article for the greatest part but I added the last sentence about his fall. - [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Like it. I really had one wish: that it included Glorfindel and Eowyn. I am going to change that date around, though. And properly credit the image ;P -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Re:Songs==<br />
I will consider it. And thank you for the "poem" installation, i didn't knew it existed. As for Khazad-Dum, It is spelled so in Summoning's CD. However, I've added the line (-). Originally it is written "Khazad Dúm" <br>[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 07:53, 19 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Then I'll move it to ''[[Khazad Dúm (song)]]'' for consistency. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== New Articles for Battle for Middle-earth 2 ==<br />
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May i have permission to create several articles about Battle for Middle-earth 2? For Example, "Dwarves in BFME2", that analyse the Dwarven force, and its accuracy in Tolkien's writings or its differece from it. Another example is "Maps of BFME2" that states and describes every map in the game and if it has differences from the original one (Forlindon in the game-Forlindon in Tolkien's writings). - [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 16:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope. That's for a section "Portrayal in adaptations" in [[Dwarves]] proper, [[Forlindon]], or maybe a section "Differences from the books" in BFME2, detailing changes in geography. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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=="Grelvish"==<br />
The phrase on my user page was designed to frustrate you, but I deemed it dumb and therefore took it off my user page. It said, roughly, "This is designed to frustrate you, It uses both Sindarin and Quenya, Use it to frustrate others." However, I took it off because nobody will take the time to translate it. [[User:LotRfan01|LotRfan01]] 00:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I actually took some time, but gave up when nothing made sense. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Multiple language words ==<br />
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If they are unrelated languages, I separate them with ----. Related identical words like [[aran]] are commented together. I still struggle with an easy readable layout [[User:Sage|Sage]] 11:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I was thinking sort of a wiktionary approach, is that a good idea? (Aran needs cleanup, btw). -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Calendar==<br />
As I'm working on the events in Arda I have created a Google Calendar in order to keep track of the many events in different years. I inserted the events between April 2009 and March 2010 (unfortunately Google doesn't offer a Shire Calendar^^) and included the year in the description (e.g. "3021 - Samwise returns to Bag End").<br />
Here comes the [http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=uoi3d4kjdk8cf158golqj0up80%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/Berlin&pvttk=18c51903aa73206be377be6aaf5ea5bc address].<br />
I think that it could prevent us from losing track, couldn't it? :)<br />
-- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:That's a good one. It certainly helps you keep track of everything. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:45, 12 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Decipher Cards ==<br />
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yes. you can see it [http://lotrtcgdb.com/pages/LOTR17006.html here.]<br />
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Oh, and i have a collection of Gimli's cards (around 20) each one with different attributes and names (Gimli-Lord of the Glittering Caves/Gimli-Faithful Companion for example). Shall i upload them? (In the To-do-list is written that every Decipher card shall be uploaded. If so, we can take them form [http://lotrtcgdb.com// here.] [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 11:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Okay, didn't know Thorin III had one. But Fror and Farin are NOT the characters from the Appendices, so I've removed those pictures from the articles. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::ok. and what about the other cards? [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 11:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, a scaled down version of the full card can be done? We do need a Fairuse-Decipher template for it, though. They're apparently (c) by NLP (New Line?), TE (Tolkien Enterprises) and Decipher. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::What do you mean by "scaled down"? we can place it as a card or only the image. the images resolution is 350x400.[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 11:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I thought of uploading the images scaled down to about 75%. But since several other sites have them at 100%, I don't think it will be much of a problem fair use-wise. I think it's a better idea to categorize the decipher cards under their image set, rahter than [[:Category:Images of Decipher Cards showing Gimli|what characters are included]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::::intersting. let me know if you have ideas of sub categorizing. If you want to upload images, i've given you the link.[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, look at [[Decipher_Card#Products|here]]. If we categorize them as "Category: Images from Reflections" or something (maybe "Images from Reflections (Decipher cards)"?), that way we can make the individual set pages redirects to the category. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Good. I'll try to contribute.[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Disclaimer==<br />
<br />
THE LORD OF THE RINGS ONLINE™: interactive video game © 2009 Turbine, Inc. and patents pending. All rights reserved. Middle-Earth Poster Map © 2007 The Saul Zaentz Company, d/b/a Tolkien Enterprises (SZC), under license to Turbine, Inc. All rights reserved. "The Lord of the Rings Online", "Mines of Moria", "Shadows of Angmar", The Watcher logo, "Conquer the World Beneath", "The Lord of the Rings", and the names of the characters, events, items and places therein are trademarks or registered trademarks of SZC under license to Turbine, Inc. Turbine and the Turbine logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of Turbine, Inc. in the U.S. and/or other jurisdictions. The ESRB rating icons are registered trademarks of the Entertainment Software Association. Windows and the Windows Vista Start button logo are registered trademarks or trademarks of Microsoft Corporation in the United States and/or other countries and 'Games for Windows' and the Windows Vista Start button logo are used under license from Microsoft. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 00:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 13:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Delete ==<br />
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please delete [[Image:WAR-ICONS Harad device.gif]] and [[Image:WAR-ICONS Harad device.png]]. I was just trying to create a device for battles with [[:Category:Images of Signs and Symbols|these]] images, but it wasn't good as the white background in the images does still appear. {{unsigned|Mthomas}}<br />
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:Done. if you want an image deleted, just add [[:Template:Delete]], and say "delete" in the edit summary, I'll catch them then. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:22, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Rollback ==<br />
<br />
Dear Ederchil,<br />
<br />
I want to make a question: How can I get rollback rights (if there are any)? I am already a rollbacker in another wiki, Halopedia (www.halo.wikia.com), and I would like to know how can I obtain these rights here<br />
<br />
Thanks for your time,<br />
<br />
--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 14:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, we don't just give out rollback rights here. I've got rollback rights on several wikia's too, but those were given to me after I actually did something about vandalism. We're a very small-staffed wiki project, but any vandalism is quickly reverted by sysops. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:14, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::When you say a small-staffed wiki project, how many do you mean? Of course, I don't expect to have the same community as Wookieepedia but I believe we are many. Am I wrong? Finally, how can someone become a Featured Gatekeeper? I this something like the User of the Month? I don't plan to nominate myself, I want to know.--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 18:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, we have two sysops - Hyarion and me, and for the rest, its users. We might expand on that in the future, but for now, it's sufficient. <br />
:::We don't have any guidelines for Featured Gatekeeper. Yet. It's one of those plans that never really got off the ground. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
==Tengwar==<br />
In some articles I have added such a "disclaimer". I think they were removed by someone or in others I forgot to add. Thanks for reminding me. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 20:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm thinking something that is unmissable, much like the other templates. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Btw I was surprised that you had in hand the complete sources about the Gondolindic Runes. Do you actually possess these copies, or found any online references? How come you know the source about almost anything mentioned? That's impressive! That article would need some more exact sourcing [[User:Sage|Sage]] 09:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I only have PE15, and the other refs are mentioned there (but not precise). I don't have the Mallorn issues, but I've ordered them. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 09:46, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== TSR ==<br />
<br />
Morning! :) Long time no talk. I am in the process of founding Tolkien Society Romania, along with a friend, and that's one of the reasons my editing here on TG has been done sporadically. We want to launch the website and have our first meeting as fast as possible, since it is already exams period and then the summer will come, the members will go back home for the holidays. Unfortunately, as I was warned by one of the guys at Tolkien Society, websites have a way of taking longer to complete than we are expecting. <br />
<br />
And here comes my question. I was wondering if I could get "inspired" from what I wrote here to form a few articles on the TSR website. To make things clear, I would get inspired strictly from what I wrote. I do plan to continue in the future to write both for TG and for the TSR website and NOT the same stuff. So it won't be copy there paste here and vice versa. But for now there's a lot going on, my time is very limited and I am trying to launch the website with as few blank pages as possible. It’s the first Tolkien Society ever created in Romania and I want things to go as good as possible. And as fast as possible. <br />
<br />
So, what do you think? I haven't had time to go through what I wrote yet, but if you want article names and such, I'll take a look and let you know. <br />
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Have a good day! :) ~~ [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] 08:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Personally, I don't have a problem with that. TG's text is available under [[wikipedia:GNU Free Documentation License|GNU FDL]]. <br />
:And don't hesitate to promote TSR. Make the [[Tolkien Society Romania|page]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: Oh, good! That's good news. I will promote TSR, both here and in the TS links page (I'll see if I can find more places). Alright, then, thanks a lot. :) ~~ [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] 08:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ederchil&diff=83588
User talk:Ederchil
2009-05-28T08:02:03Z
<p>Þelma: </p>
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==Archive==<br />
===[[User talk:Ederchil/2008|2008]]===<br />
In which:<br />
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*[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] welcomes me, invites me for the chat, discusses the [[Calendar]], and asks my opinion on the Ithilien skin.<br />
*[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] comments on Uyldert's ''schotschrift''.<br />
* [[User:Sigismond|Sigismond]] plays [[wikipedia:Brühl|Brühl]] tourguide, and discusses a proper translation of ''etwas vereinheitlichen''.<br />
* [[User:Quidon88|Quidon88]] has cousins over, and discusses [[Steven White Jr.|a wanted page]].<br />
* [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]], [[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] and yours sincerely have a ''gezelli'' semi-Dutch/semi-English conversation about redirects.<br />
* [[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] doesn't like my self-nomination of [[Glamdring]] for FA, and rightly so.<br />
* As a result of my very first [[:template:w|Welcome!]], [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] ends up on my Talk Page rather than Hyarion's.<br />
* [[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] doesn't like me dogpiling, and rightly so.<br />
* [[Soni Alcorn-Hender|Bohwe]] likes me liking her art.<br />
* [[User:Sage|Sage]] discusses the faults in the [[Tale of Years]] and In-Universe/Out-of-Universe.<br />
* [[User:KingAragorn|KingAragorn]] and [[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] urge me to accept my Admin nomination.<br />
* [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] and [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] discuss the proper usage of "Prince".<br />
* [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] throws in a bucket of [[Unquendor|'''''The''''' Netherlands]] related messages.<br />
* [[User:Quidon88|Quidon88]] and [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] discuss games as part of [[Adaptations]] with me. <br />
* [[User:Ingwe]] wants his desriptions back in [[:Category:Images by Roger Garland|Garland's pics]].<br />
* [[User:Hyarion]] and [[User:Theoden1]] check out of meetings.<br />
* [[User:Numenorian]] ''(sic)'' ''sics''.<br />
* [[User:Aule the Smith]] discusses Windows.<br />
* [[User:Breragor]] is lost in wiki-lingo.<br />
* [[User:Sage]] discusses dates. No, not that kind.<br />
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== Carn Dum ==<br />
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Hi, what did you not like in that article's analysis? shouldn't we mention that the name ''can be'' Sindarin, and if so, we don't know the words? [[User:Temp|Temp]] 08:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, at first I disagreed, but with the current reword it's fine. I removed the phrase "The circumflex ^ is used by Tolkien in Sindarin extra long vowels[2], but these words have not been attested in Sindarin." because there are plenty of those in Sindarin, even with the û - Udûn, for one. But properly sourced, it's good. Note that we're still working on referencing, but we pretty much agreed on [[User:Ederchil/Sandbox#LotR|these]]. Keep up the work - don't be shy, go ahead and completely rewrite an article instead of adding a couple of sentences if you think it needs it. Even very minor characters like [[Gildor Inglorion]] or even [[Nob]] could have a very good article. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 09:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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How do you get those little boxes and such that say your name and have links to talk, profile, etc.? {{unsigned|Breragor}}<br />
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:Just click on "edit" on those pages and see the code they are composed of (some combination of {{, | and ]] etc etc) [[User:Sage|Sage]] 00:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::Or go here: [[Help:Signatures]]. But keep it within the borders of sanity, please. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Reading order==<br />
Hi again... I know new fans usually wonder about the reading order and I don't know if you ever thought about it. Now it just crossed my mind to make such an article about anyone interested. I plan to start such an article and I hope you have stuff to add. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 00:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I do have a newbie's reading order, actually. I give it occasionally on IMDb, where I'm a regular on the LotR boards.<br />
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# The Hobbit - purely for introductionary reasons<br />
# The Lord of the Rings<br />
# Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age - basically a summary of LotR from a historian's perspective<br />
# The Third Age parts of Unfinished Tales (though The Drúedain and The Istari can be skipped for now)<br />
# The rest of the Silmarillion<br />
# The rest of Unfinished Tales<br />
# The Letters<br />
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:I just don't have a clue what to call such an article. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:18, 21 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
==Elvish database==<br />
I read somewhere that the creation of a Tolkienian wiktionary was one of the ambitions of this wiki. Check out my first attempts. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 16:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
==Template==<br />
I like it. My only concern is that perhaps references are overloaded and I would point your attention to some minimalism. There is no need to see everywhere "J.R.R. Tolkien" and "J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.)" again and again in almost every reference. I mean people knows who wrote them. After all, the wiki is about Tolkien.<br><br />
I am telling this because in a proposed guideline it was (by you?) mentioned that well-known facts need no referencing (like that Bilbo was a Hobbit). Same perhaps would apply to the References themselves.<br><br />
Of course overly formality is a respected option. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 13:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:It can be a bit over-the-top, of course. But my main goal with always including the author was meant for the secondary and semi-secondary works. Originally, I favoured just doing ''Book'', "Chapter", but I think that got expanded at one of the meetings. <br />
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:"[[Vinyar Tengwar 45]], page 24" says nothing to anyone who doesn't have VT (and even to people that do). When JRRT wrote it, it must be made clear. When someone other than JRRT wrote it, that must also be made clear. Just my thoughts. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 13:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Template:VGC==<br />
I put in the talk page of the template while I called it VGC. Also, I put in the publisher as a way to substitute the author found on template:HM. --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 22:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I read the talk pages after I edited, and wanted to respond, but Safari left me. We don't have a standard (yet) citation. Last year, I tried to get some consensus on the matter, and we sorta formulated a couple of things, but they were shelved for a while; let's just say there was a frost in Spring, or a blight in Summer.<br />
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:As for more games; for that to work, it's best to simply create links to sections, such as in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)#The Shire]]''.<br />
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:Also, keep a couple of things in mind. While chapter summaries can go in present tense, character pages (such as [[Amartiel]]) would have to be past tense. Also, avoid contractions like "isn't". -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Witch-king==<br />
You said you needed a summary for our new Featured Article ;-)<br />
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The '''[[Witch-king of Angmar]]''' (before [[Second Age]] 2200 - [[Third Age 3019]], [[March 15]]) was the chief of the [[Nazgûl]], King of [[Angmar]], and [[Sauron]]’s great captain in his wars. A wraith, the Witch-king of Angmar was nearly indestructible, a terrible warrior, and a cunning strategist. As predicted by [[Glorfindel]] he fell by the hand of a woman, [[Éowyn]], in the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]] and his death marked the beginn of Sauron's downfall.<br />
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It's taken from the article for the greatest part but I added the last sentence about his fall. - [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Like it. I really had one wish: that it included Glorfindel and Eowyn. I am going to change that date around, though. And properly credit the image ;P -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Re:Songs==<br />
I will consider it. And thank you for the "poem" installation, i didn't knew it existed. As for Khazad-Dum, It is spelled so in Summoning's CD. However, I've added the line (-). Originally it is written "Khazad Dúm" <br>[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 07:53, 19 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Then I'll move it to ''[[Khazad Dúm (song)]]'' for consistency. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== New Articles for Battle for Middle-earth 2 ==<br />
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May i have permission to create several articles about Battle for Middle-earth 2? For Example, "Dwarves in BFME2", that analyse the Dwarven force, and its accuracy in Tolkien's writings or its differece from it. Another example is "Maps of BFME2" that states and describes every map in the game and if it has differences from the original one (Forlindon in the game-Forlindon in Tolkien's writings). - [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 16:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope. That's for a section "Portrayal in adaptations" in [[Dwarves]] proper, [[Forlindon]], or maybe a section "Differences from the books" in BFME2, detailing changes in geography. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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=="Grelvish"==<br />
The phrase on my user page was designed to frustrate you, but I deemed it dumb and therefore took it off my user page. It said, roughly, "This is designed to frustrate you, It uses both Sindarin and Quenya, Use it to frustrate others." However, I took it off because nobody will take the time to translate it. [[User:LotRfan01|LotRfan01]] 00:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I actually took some time, but gave up when nothing made sense. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Multiple language words ==<br />
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If they are unrelated languages, I separate them with ----. Related identical words like [[aran]] are commented together. I still struggle with an easy readable layout [[User:Sage|Sage]] 11:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I was thinking sort of a wiktionary approach, is that a good idea? (Aran needs cleanup, btw). -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Calendar==<br />
As I'm working on the events in Arda I have created a Google Calendar in order to keep track of the many events in different years. I inserted the events between April 2009 and March 2010 (unfortunately Google doesn't offer a Shire Calendar^^) and included the year in the description (e.g. "3021 - Samwise returns to Bag End").<br />
Here comes the [http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=uoi3d4kjdk8cf158golqj0up80%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/Berlin&pvttk=18c51903aa73206be377be6aaf5ea5bc address].<br />
I think that it could prevent us from losing track, couldn't it? :)<br />
-- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:That's a good one. It certainly helps you keep track of everything. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:45, 12 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Decipher Cards ==<br />
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yes. you can see it [http://lotrtcgdb.com/pages/LOTR17006.html here.]<br />
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Oh, and i have a collection of Gimli's cards (around 20) each one with different attributes and names (Gimli-Lord of the Glittering Caves/Gimli-Faithful Companion for example). Shall i upload them? (In the To-do-list is written that every Decipher card shall be uploaded. If so, we can take them form [http://lotrtcgdb.com// here.] [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 11:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Okay, didn't know Thorin III had one. But Fror and Farin are NOT the characters from the Appendices, so I've removed those pictures from the articles. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::ok. and what about the other cards? [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 11:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, a scaled down version of the full card can be done? We do need a Fairuse-Decipher template for it, though. They're apparently (c) by NLP (New Line?), TE (Tolkien Enterprises) and Decipher. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::What do you mean by "scaled down"? we can place it as a card or only the image. the images resolution is 350x400.[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 11:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I thought of uploading the images scaled down to about 75%. But since several other sites have them at 100%, I don't think it will be much of a problem fair use-wise. I think it's a better idea to categorize the decipher cards under their image set, rahter than [[:Category:Images of Decipher Cards showing Gimli|what characters are included]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::::intersting. let me know if you have ideas of sub categorizing. If you want to upload images, i've given you the link.[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, look at [[Decipher_Card#Products|here]]. If we categorize them as "Category: Images from Reflections" or something (maybe "Images from Reflections (Decipher cards)"?), that way we can make the individual set pages redirects to the category. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Good. I'll try to contribute.[[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Disclaimer==<br />
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THE LORD OF THE RINGS ONLINE™: interactive video game © 2009 Turbine, Inc. and patents pending. All rights reserved. Middle-Earth Poster Map © 2007 The Saul Zaentz Company, d/b/a Tolkien Enterprises (SZC), under license to Turbine, Inc. All rights reserved. "The Lord of the Rings Online", "Mines of Moria", "Shadows of Angmar", The Watcher logo, "Conquer the World Beneath", "The Lord of the Rings", and the names of the characters, events, items and places therein are trademarks or registered trademarks of SZC under license to Turbine, Inc. Turbine and the Turbine logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of Turbine, Inc. in the U.S. and/or other jurisdictions. The ESRB rating icons are registered trademarks of the Entertainment Software Association. Windows and the Windows Vista Start button logo are registered trademarks or trademarks of Microsoft Corporation in the United States and/or other countries and 'Games for Windows' and the Windows Vista Start button logo are used under license from Microsoft. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 00:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 13:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Delete ==<br />
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please delete [[Image:WAR-ICONS Harad device.gif]] and [[Image:WAR-ICONS Harad device.png]]. I was just trying to create a device for battles with [[:Category:Images of Signs and Symbols|these]] images, but it wasn't good as the white background in the images does still appear. {{unsigned|Mthomas}}<br />
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:Done. if you want an image deleted, just add [[:Template:Delete]], and say "delete" in the edit summary, I'll catch them then. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:22, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Rollback ==<br />
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Dear Ederchil,<br />
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I want to make a question: How can I get rollback rights (if there are any)? I am already a rollbacker in another wiki, Halopedia (www.halo.wikia.com), and I would like to know how can I obtain these rights here<br />
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Thanks for your time,<br />
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--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 14:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, we don't just give out rollback rights here. I've got rollback rights on several wikia's too, but those were given to me after I actually did something about vandalism. We're a very small-staffed wiki project, but any vandalism is quickly reverted by sysops. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:14, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::When you say a small-staffed wiki project, how many do you mean? Of course, I don't expect to have the same community as Wookieepedia but I believe we are many. Am I wrong? Finally, how can someone become a Featured Gatekeeper? I this something like the User of the Month? I don't plan to nominate myself, I want to know.--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 18:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, we have two sysops - Hyarion and me, and for the rest, its users. We might expand on that in the future, but for now, it's sufficient. <br />
:::We don't have any guidelines for Featured Gatekeeper. Yet. It's one of those plans that never really got off the ground. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
==Tengwar==<br />
In some articles I have added such a "disclaimer". I think they were removed by someone or in others I forgot to add. Thanks for reminding me. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 20:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm thinking something that is unmissable, much like the other templates. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Btw I was surprised that you had in hand the complete sources about the Gondolindic Runes. Do you actually possess these copies, or found any online references? How come you know the source about almost anything mentioned? That's impressive! That article would need some more exact sourcing [[User:Sage|Sage]] 09:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I only have PE15, and the other refs are mentioned there (but not precise). I don't have the Mallorn issues, but I've ordered them. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 09:46, 24 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== TSR ==<br />
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Morning! :) Long time no talk. I am in the process of founding Tolkien Society Romania, along with a friend, and that's one of the reasons my editing here on TG has been done sporadically. We want to launch the website and have our first meeting as fast as possible, since it is already exams period and then the summer will come, the members will go back home for the holidays. Unfortunately, as I was warned by one of the guys at Tolkien Society, websites have a way of taking longer to complete than we are expecting. <br />
<br />
And here comes my question. I was wondering if I could get "inspired" from what I wrote here to form a few articles on the TSR website. To make things clear, I would get inspired strictly from what I wrote. I do plan to continue in the future to write both for TG and for the TRS website and NOT the same stuff. So it won't be copy there paste here and vice versa. But for now there's a lot going on, my time is very limited and I am trying to launch the website with as few blank pages as possible. It’s the first Tolkien Society ever created in Romania and I want things to go as good as possible. And as fast as possible. <br />
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So, what do you think? I haven't had time to go through what I wrote yet, but if you want article names and such, I'll take a look and let you know. <br />
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Have a good day! :) ~~ [[User:Þelma|Þelma]] 08:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Irina_Horea&diff=82872
Irina Horea
2009-05-18T07:35:12Z
<p>Þelma: </p>
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<div>'''[[Irina Horea]]''' is a Romanian translator for British and American literature and director of the USR (Romanian Writer's Union). She is known for the high quality of her work ever since her first translation appeared, in [[1977]], a poetry volume by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Wakoski Diane Wakosky] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Shapiro Karl Shapiro]. From there on she translated over 35 books, among them works by acclaimed authors as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bailey Paul Bailey], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Golding William Golding], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Irving John Irving] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_McEwan Ian McEwan]. She is also a correspondent for the Romanian edition of ''Lettre Internationale''.<br />
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==J.R.R. Tolkien books translated by Irina Horea==<br />
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For the RAO house of publishing Irina Horea translated the following works of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] :<br />
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* [[The Hobbit]] (''Hobbitul'')<br />
* [[The Lord of the Rings]] (''Stapanul Inelelor'')<br />
** [[The Fellowship of the Ring]] (''Fratia Inelului'')<br />
** [[The Two Towers]] (''Cele Doua Turnuri'')<br />
** [[The Return of the King]] (''Intoarcerea Regelui'')<br />
* [[The Silmarillion]] (''Silmarillion'')<br />
* [[Unfinished Tales]] (''Povesti Neterminate'')<br />
* [[The Children of Húrin]] (''Copiii lui Húrin'')<br />
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[[Category:Translators|Horea, Irina]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Finw%C3%AB&diff=82796
Finwë
2009-05-16T19:04:21Z
<p>Þelma: </p>
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<div>{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Finwe.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Finwë<br />
| quenya=Finwë<br />
| titles=[[High King of the Noldor]]<br />
| birth=Early [[Years of the Trees|Y.T.]], [[Cuiviénen]]<br />
| realm=[[Tirion]]<br />
| death=c. [[Years of the Trees 1492|Y.T. 1492]], [[Formenos]]<br />
| age=<br />
| parentage=Firstborn<br />
| spouse=[[Míriel Serindë]], [[Indis]]<br />
| children=[[Fëanor]], [[Irimë]], [[Fingolfin]], [[Finarfin]], [[Findis]]<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Black<br />
| ref=''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
{{Pronounce|Finwe Noldoran.mp3|Ardamir}}<br />
<center>{{quote|But Melkor was also there, and he came to the house of Fëanor and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark. |''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]}}</center><br />
'''Finwë''' was the first [[High King of the Noldor]] (as such he is sometimes surnamed '''Noldóran''') who led his [[Elves|Elven]] people on the journey from Middle-earth to [[Valinor]] in the blessed realm of [[Aman]]. He was a great friend of [[Elu Thingol]], the King of [[Doriath]].<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
===Life in Middle-earth===<br />
<br />
The first [[Elves]] awoke in [[Middle-earth]], near the [[Cuiviénen|Lake Cuiviénen]], sometime during the early [[Years of the Trees]]. Though it is not clearly stated in the [[Silmarillion]], Finwë was probably among the first [[Elder Children of Ilúvatar|Children of Ilúvatar]]. [[Oromë]], The Huntsman of the [[Valar]], while traveling in the [[Orocarni]] mountains, discovered the Elves and bonded friendship with their kin.<br />
<br />
Later, as the Valar decided to call the first Children of [[Ilúvatar]] in Valinor, because they regarded this call with suspicion, he selected three elves to follow him into Aman and report back what they have seen, in the hopes that they could decimate the fears which were seeded into the hearts of the elves by [[Melkor]]'s own doing. The three elves were Finwë, [[Ingwë]] and [[Elwë Singollo|Elwë]], who would later become kings of the three fractions into which the elven race was split.<br />
<br />
Impressed by the wonders of Valinor, Finwë and his other two companions returned towards the Middle-earth and attempted to convince their race to follow them back into Aman. Those who agreed to follow Oromë received the name of [[Eldar]]. Among them were Finwë's people, the [[Noldor]]. They later became students of [[Aulë]] the Smith. Finwë's eldest son, [[Fëanor]], would become the greatest craftsman among the Elves of Valinor. <br />
<br />
===Life in Valinor ===<br />
<br />
Upon arriving in the blessed realm of Aman, Finwë was troubled only by the separation from his friend [[Elwë Singollo|Elwë]] who chose to remain in [[Beleriand]]. The Noldor settled on the [[Túna]] hill, raised for them by the Valar and, led by Finwë, they lived in the city of [[Tirion]], whom they shared with the [[Vanyar]]. It was during the building of Finwë's house that the masons found the earth-gems from which they crafted countless jewels to be given freely for the enrichment of Valinor. Later, Ingwë and his people left the city of Tirion and Finwë remained the only king to rule upon the Tuna hill.<br />
[[Image:Finwe Heraldic Device.jpg|left|100px]]<br />
<br />
Finwë's first wife was [[Míriel Serindë]], skilled in all things that required fineness. From their love a son was born, [[Curufinwë]], whom would later be known as Fëanor. As he was brought into the world, he depleted Míriel's strength and zest for life and she requested to be allowed to rest in the gardens of [[Irmo (Lórien)|Lórien]]. Finwë was deeply saddened by this event. He did not wish to leave the young child without a mother, nor did he want him to be their last. But as his wife explained that what would have nourished many children, was all invested in Fëanor, he had no other choice but to accept her request. And thus Míriel, with [[Manwë]]'s counsel, was placed asleep in Irmo's gardens. Her [[Fëa and hröa|fëa]] eventually departed from her body and she never returned to life.<br />
<br />
This was a shocking event for all those present in Valinor, as never one of their own had died of free will. For some time, Finwë lived in sorrow and he often visited Míriel's body, but as his loneliness and lack of joy increased, he stopped seeing her altogether. His entire love now rested with his son, Fëanor, who grew up to be mighty and skilled in all things of hands and mind. He married [[Nerdanel]] and gave Finwë [[Sons of Fëanor|seven grandchildren]].<br />
<br />
But Finwë was not content in living alone and he sought to marry for the second time. His wife was [[Indis|Indis the Fair]], a golden haired [[Vanya]], which he loved and whom brought him joy again. She gave him two sons, [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]], and two daughters, [[Findis]] and [[Irimë]]. And though he was now blissful again, the shadow of Míriel never left the House, especially since Fëanor opposed his father's second marriage. The sons of Finwë never lived together and never shared close bounds. And after the later events surrounding the [[Silmarils]] many blamed Finwë and his desire to have a second wife for the dreadful courses of all those in the House. Most of these accusation had no ground, as Finwë had always loved his eldest son above all others, and the events surrounding his death would prove it. <br />
<br />
===Death=== <br />
<br />
After three ages of imprisonment, Melkor was released from the duress of Mandos and, as he gained the trust of the Valar again, he was allowed to roam freely in Valinor. The treacherous Melkor lusted for the Silmarils, those three great jewels made by the hands of Fëanor, at the might of his skill, and ever he sought a way to steal them. He launched such lies that all the Noldor began to strife, against themselves, against the other races and even against the Valar.<br />
<br />
The House of Finwë was no exception. There was already grounds of argument between his sons, and these events only served to deepen them. Finwë called a council and tried to moderate them. For the moment, his action seemed to be crowned with success, as Fingolfin bowed before Finwë and silenced the thoughts and arguments he had in regards to his eldest brother. Soon after that the Valar called Fëanor to answer for his words against them. The stem of the evil was exposed and Melkor's actions revealed. However, Fëanor too was sentenced to twelve years outside Tirion, in the fortress of [[Formenos]]. Due to the great love he had for his eldest son, Finwë renounced his throne as the King of the Noldor and followed Fëanor at Formenos.<br />
<br />
In his fixation to have the Silmarils for himself, Melkor went as far as to claim them at the gates of Formenos. He was fiercely rejected by Fëanor, while Finwë sent messengers to Manwë. It was during a time of festival, that Melkor returned. All the people of Valinor were engaged in the festivities, all except Finwë, who, out of devotion for Fëanor and bitterness for his sons' exile, chose to remain in Formenos, thus refused to obey Manwë's calling. After Melkor and [[Ungoliant]] stole the light of the [[Two Trees of Valinor]], they headed towards Formenos. Alone Finwë had to courage to stand before the horror of the Darkness. There, before the doors of Formenos, the former King of the Noldor had been killed and the first blood was spilled in the realm of Aman. Melkor forcefully entered the fortress and stole the Silmarils, sending the blessed realm into darkness and motioning the Noldor to depart from Valinor.<br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
<br />
Finwë's name is not clearly translated. The Appendix in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', part called "Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names", translates ''[[fin]]'' as "hair". In the ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', chapter [[The Etymologies]], ''[[phin]]'' it is translated as "nimbleness" or "skill". To either of these two, the suffix ''[[-wë]]'' is added. Used generally for male names it is derived from the stem ''[[weg]]'', meaning "manly vigor". <br />
<br />
''Noldóran'', as Finwë was also called, means "King of the Noldor". It is formed by the union of [[Noldor]] and ''[[aran]]'', a [[Sindarin]] noun which means "king".<br />
<br />
== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==<br />
<br />
In the first drafts of the genealogy, Finwë had four sons: the youngest was named ''[[Finrun]]'', but he was dropped after that, thus [[Finrod]] (later [[Finarfin]]) was Finwë's youngest son from then on.<br />
<br />
In a later version Finwë had three [[Daughters of Finwë|daughters]] added by [[Indis]], [[Findis]] (as their first child) [[Faniel]] (as their third), and [[Finvain]] (as their youngest). In yet later versions, Faniel was apparently dropped, while Findis and Finvain were kept. Finvain (renamed [[Irimë]]) was moved to after Fingolfin, thus Finarfin was once again the youngest child of Finwë.<br />
<br />
== Genealogy ==<br />
Finwë had two wives. His first was [[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]], who passed away soon after bearing their only child, [[Fëanor]]. His second wife was [[Indis]], of the [[Vanyar]], who bore him two sons: [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]], and two daughters: [[Findis]] and [[Irimë]].<br />
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{{familytree| | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN='''FINWË'''|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
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{{references}}<br />
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* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Darkening of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Index of Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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|next=[[Fëanor]] (in [[Middle-earth]])<br>[[Finarfin]] (in [[Valinor]])<br />
|list=1st [[High King of the Noldor]]<br>c. YT 1102 – 1495<br />
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[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
[[de:Finwe]]<br />
[[fi:Finwë]]</div>
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https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Silmarils&diff=82771
Silmarils
2009-05-16T16:47:50Z
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<div>{{objects<br />
| image=[[Image:Marco_-_The_Silmarils.jpg|300px]]<br />
| name=Silmarils<br />
| othernames=The Jewels<br />
| derivation=[[Quenya|Q.]] ''Silmarilli'' (''[[silima]]'')<br />
| location=[[Formenos]], [[Angband]], various<br />
| ownedby=[[Fëanor]], [[Morgoth]], various<br />
| maker=[[Fëanor]]<br />
| appearance=Hard, bright crystals that glow<br />
| references=''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
The '''Silmarils''' ([[Quenya]] '''Silmarilli''') were three gems of immense might and beauty created by [[Fëanor]] while the [[Eldar]] were still in [[Valinor]]. They were named for and crafted of the hard crystalline substance ''[[silima]],'' and contained some of the light from the [[Two Trees]] of Valinor. After F&euml;anor was exiled to Formenos, the Silmarils were stored in a chamber of iron.<br />
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Together with [[Ungoliant]], [[Melkor]] destroyed the Two Trees. The Silmarils now contained all the remaining light of the Two Trees. Therefore the [[Valar]] entreated Fëanor to give up the Silmarils so they could restore the Trees, but he refused. Then news came: Melkor had killed Fëanor's father [[Finwë]], the High King of the [[Ñoldor]], and stolen all the gems, including the Silmarils. After this deed Melkor fled to the northlands of Middle-earth, where his ancient fortresses were. Melkor, now named ''Morgoth'' by Fëanor, set the Silmarils in his crown.<br />
<br />
Fëanor was furious at Melkor and at the Valar's perceived desire to take the gems for their own purposes, and, swearing that he and his sons would not rest until the Silmarils were recovered, he led the Ñoldor back to Middle-earth. His flight, which began the [[First Age]] of Middle-earth, led to no end of grief for the Elves and eventually for the [[Men]] of Middle-earth. Five major battles were fought in [[Beleriand]], but ultimately the Ñoldor failed.<br />
<br />
One of the Silmarils was recovered by [[Beren Erchamion|Beren]] and [[Lúthien Tinúviel|Lúthien]] through great peril and loss. This stone was later taken by [[Eärendil]] to the Valar in the West as a token of repentance. The Valar then set this Silmaril as a star. The other two gems remained in Morgoth's hands, and were taken from him only at the end of the [[War of Wrath]]. However, soon afterwards, they were stolen by Fëanor's two sons [[Maedhros]] and [[Maglor]]. The jewels burned their hands, in refusal of their rights of possession, as they had burned Morgoth's hands many years before. In agony, Maedhros threw himself and his Silmaril into a fiery pit, and Maglor threw his into the sea. Thus the Silmarils remained in all three elements of Arda -- in the sky, soil and water.<br />
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In most versions of the texts, following Melkor's final return and defeat in the [[Dagor Dagorath]] (Battle of Battles), the world will be changed and the Three Silmarils will be recovered by the Valar, and [[Yavanna]] will break them and with their light she will revive the [[Two Trees]], the [[Pelóri|Pelóri Mountains]] will be flattened and the light of the Two Trees will fill Arda again in a new age of eternal bliss.<br />
==See also==<br />
*[[:Category:Images of Silmarils|Images of Silmarils]]<br />
*[[Quest for the Silmaril]]<br />
*''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
*[[Nauglamir]]<br />
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[[Category:Rings and Jewels]]</div>
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https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Finw%C3%AB&diff=82769
Finwë
2009-05-16T16:23:00Z
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<div>{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Finwe.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Finwë<br />
| quenya=Finwë<br />
| titles=[[High King of the Noldor]]<br />
| birth=Early [[Years of the Trees|Y.T.]], [[Cuiviénen]]<br />
| realm=[[Tirion]]<br />
| death=c. [[Years of the Trees 1492|Y.T. 1492]], [[Formenos]]<br />
| age=<br />
| parentage=Firstborn<br />
| spouse=[[Míriel Serindë]], [[Indis]]<br />
| children=[[Fëanor]], [[Irimë]], [[Fingolfin]], [[Finarfin]], [[Findis]]<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Black<br />
| ref=''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
{{Pronounce|Finwe Noldoran.mp3|Ardamir}}<br />
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<center>{{quote|But Melkor was also there, and he came to the house of Fëanor and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark. |''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]}}</center><br />
<br />
'''Finwë''' was the first [[High King of the Noldor]] (as such he is sometimes surnamed '''Noldóran''') who led his [[Elves|Elven]] people on the journey from Middle-earth to [[Valinor]] in the blessed realm of [[Aman]]. He was a great friend of [[Elu Thingol]], the King of [[Doriath]].<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
===Life in Middle-earth===<br />
<br />
The first [[Elves]] awoke in [[Middle-earth]], near the [[Cuiviénen|Lake Cuiviénen]], sometime during the early [[Years of the Trees]]. Though it is not clearly stated in the [[Silmarillion]], Finwë was probably among the first [[Elder Children of Ilúvatar|Children of Ilúvatar]]. [[Oromë]], The Huntsman of the [[Valar]], while traveling in the [[Orocarni]] mountains, discovered the Elves and bonded friendship with their kin.<br />
<br />
Later, as the Valar decided to call the first Children of [[Ilúvatar]] in Valinor, because they regarded this call with suspicion, he selected three elves to follow him into Aman and report back what they have seen, in the hopes that they could decimate the fears which were seeded into the hearts of the elves by [[Melkor]]'s own doing. The three elves were Finwë, [[Ingwë]] and [[Elwë Singollo|Elwë]], who would later become kings of the three fractions into which the elven race was split.<br />
<br />
Impressed by the wonders of Valinor, Finwë and his other two companions returned towards the Middle-earth and attempted to convince their race to follow them back into Aman. Those who agreed to follow Oromë received the name of [[Eldar]]. Among them were Finwë's people, the [[Noldor]]. They later became students of [[Aulë]] the Smith. Finwë's eldest son, [[Fëanor]], would become the greatest craftsman among the Elves of Valinor. <br />
<br />
===Life in Valinor ===<br />
<br />
Upon arriving in the blessed realm of Aman, Finwë was troubled only by the separation from his friend [[Elwë Singollo|Elwë]] who chose to remain in [[Beleriand]]. The Noldor settled on the [[Túna]] hill, raised for them by the Valar and, led by Finwë, they lived in the city of [[Tirion]], whom they shared with the [[Vanyar]]. It was during the building of Finwë's house that the masons found the earth-gems from which they crafted countless jewels to be given freely for the enrichment of Valinor. Later, Ingwë and his people left the city of Tirion and Finwë remained the only king to rule upon the Tuna hill.<br />
<br />
Finwë's first wife was [[Míriel Serindë]], skilled in all things that required fineness. From their love a son was born, [[Curufinwë]], whom would later be known as Fëanor. As he was brought into the world, he depleted Míriel's strength and zest for life and she requested to be allowed to rest in the gardens of [[Irmo (Lórien)|Lórien]]. Finwë was deeply saddened by this event. He did not wish to leave the young child without a mother, nor did he want him to be their last. But as his wife explained that what would have nourished many children, was all invested in Fëanor, he had no other choice but to accept her request. And thus Míriel, with [[Manwë]]'s counsel, was placed asleep in Irmo's gardens. Her [[Fëa and hröa|fëa]] eventually departed from her body and she never returned to life.<br />
<br />
This was a shocking event for all those present in Valinor, as never one of their own had died of free will. For some time, Finwë lived in sorrow and he often visited Míriel's body, but as his loneliness and lack of joy increased, he stopped seeing her altogether. His entire love now rested with his son, Fëanor, who grew up to be mighty and skilled in all things of hands and mind. He married [[Nerdanel]] and gave Finwë [[Sons of Fëanor|seven grandchildren]].<br />
<br />
But Finwë was not content in living alone and he sought to marry for the second time. His wife was [[Indis|Indis the Fair]], a golden haired [[Vanya]], which he loved and whom brought him joy again. She gave him two sons, [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]], and two daughters, [[Findis]] and [[Irimë]]. And though he was now blissful again, the shadow of Míriel never left the House, especially since Fëanor opposed his father's second marriage. The sons of Finwë never lived together and never shared close bounds. And after the later events surrounding the [[Silmarils]] many blamed Finwë and his desire to have a second wife for the dreadful courses of all those in the House. Most of these accusation had no ground, as Finwë had always loved his eldest son above all others, and the events surrounding his death would prove it. <br />
<br />
===Death=== <br />
<br />
After three ages of imprisonment, Melkor was released from the duress of Mandos and, as he gained the trust of the Valar again, he was allowed to roam freely in Valinor. The treacherous Melkor lusted for the Silmarils, those three great jewels made by the hands of Fëanor, at the might of his skill, and ever he sought a way to steal them. He launched such lies that all the Noldor began to strife, against themselves, against the other races and even against the Valar.<br />
<br />
The House of Finwë was no exception. There was already grounds of argument between his sons, and these events only served to deepen them. Finwë called a council and tried to moderate them. For the moment, his action seemed to be crowned with success, as Fingolfin bowed before Finwë and silenced the thoughts and arguments he had in regards to his eldest brother. Soon after that the Valar called Fëanor to answer for his words against them. The stem of the evil was exposed and Melkor's actions revealed. However, Fëanor too was sentenced to twelve years outside Tirion, in the fortress of [[Formenos]]. Due to the great love he had for his eldest son, Finwë renounced his throne as the King of the Noldor and followed Fëanor at Formenos.<br />
<br />
In his fixation to have the Silmarils for himself, Melkor went as far as to claim them at the gates of Formenos. He was fiercely rejected by Fëanor, while Finwë sent messengers to Manwë. It was during a time of festival, that Melkor returned. All the people of Valinor were engaged in the festivities, all except Finwë, who, out of devotion for Fëanor and bitterness for his sons' exile, chose to remain in Formenos, thus refused to obey Manwë's calling. After Melkor and [[Ungoliant]] stole the light of the [[Two Trees of Valinor]], they headed towards Formenos. Alone Finwë had to courage to stand before the horror of the Darkness. There, before the doors of Formenos, the former King of the Noldor had been killed and the first blood was spilled in the realm of Aman. Melkor forcefully entered the fortress and stole the Silmarils, sending the blessed realm into darkness and motioning the Noldor to depart from Valinor.<br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
<br />
Finwë's name is not clearly translated. The Appendix in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', part called "Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names", translates ''[[fin]]'' as "hair". In the ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', chapter [[The Etymologies]], ''[[phin]]'' it is translated as "nimbleness" or "skill". To either of these two, the suffix ''[[-wë]]'' is added. Used generally for male names it is derived from the stem ''[[weg]]'', meaning "manly vigor". <br />
<br />
''Noldóran'', as Finwë was also called, means "King of the Noldor". It is formed by the union of [[Noldor]] and ''[[aran]]'', a [[Sindarin]] noun which means "king".<br />
<br />
== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==<br />
<br />
In the first drafts of the genealogy, Finwë had four sons: the youngest was named ''[[Finrun]]'', but he was dropped after that, thus [[Finrod]] (later [[Finarfin]]) was Finwë's youngest son from then on.<br />
<br />
In a later version Finwë had three [[Daughters of Finwë|daughters]] added by [[Indis]], [[Findis]] (as their first child) [[Faniel]] (as their third), and [[Finvain]] (as their youngest). In yet later versions, Faniel was apparently dropped, while Findis and Finvain were kept. Finvain (renamed [[Irimë]]) was moved to after Fingolfin, thus Finarfin was once again the youngest child of Finwë.<br />
<br />
== Genealogy ==<br />
Finwë had two wives. His first was [[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]], who passed away soon after bearing their only child, [[Fëanor]]. His second wife was [[Indis]], of the [[Vanyar]], who bore him two sons: [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]], and two daughters: [[Findis]] and [[Irimë]].<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN='''FINWË'''|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
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{{references}}<br />
<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Darkening of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Index of Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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{{sequence<br />
|prev=none<br />
|next=[[Fëanor]] (in [[Middle-earth]])<br>[[Finarfin]] (in [[Valinor]])<br />
|list=1st [[High King of the Noldor]]<br>c. YT 1102 – 1495<br />
}}<br />
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[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
[[de:Finwe]]<br />
[[fi:Finwë]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Finw%C3%AB&diff=82767
Finwë
2009-05-16T14:55:15Z
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<div>{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Finwe.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Finwë<br />
| quenya=Finwë<br />
| titles=[[High King of the Noldor]]<br />
| birth=Early [[Years of the Trees|Y.T.]], [[Cuiviénen]]<br />
| realm=[[Tirion]]<br />
| death=c. [[Years of the Trees 1492|Y.T. 1492]], [[Formenos]]<br />
| age=<br />
| parentage=Firstborn<br />
| spouse=[[Míriel Serindë]], [[Indis]]<br />
| children=[[Fëanor]], [[Irimë]], [[Fingolfin]], [[Finarfin]], [[Findis]]<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Black<br />
| ref=''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
{{Pronounce|Finwe Noldoran.mp3|Ardamir}}<br />
'''Finwë''' was the first [[High King of the Noldor]] (as such he is sometimes surnamed '''Noldóran''') who led his [[Elves|Elven]] people on the journey from Middle-earth to [[Valinor]] in the blessed realm of [[Aman]]. He was a great friend of [[Elu Thingol]], the King of [[Doriath]].<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
===Life in Middle-earth===<br />
<br />
The first [[Elves]] awoke in [[Middle-earth]], near the [[Cuiviénen|Lake Cuiviénen]], sometime during the early [[Years of the Trees]]. Though it is not clearly stated in the [[Silmarillion]], Finwë was probably among the first [[Elder Children of Ilúvatar|Children of Ilúvatar]]. [[Oromë]], The Huntsman of the [[Valar]], while traveling in the [[Orocarni]] mountains, discovered the Elves and bonded friendship with their kin.<br />
<br />
Later, as the Valar decided to call the first Children of [[Ilúvatar]] in Valinor, because they regarded this call with suspicion, he selected three elves to follow him into Aman and report back what they have seen, in the hopes that they could decimate the fears which were seeded into the hearts of the elves by [[Melkor]]'s own doing. The three elves were Finwë, [[Ingwë]] and [[Elwë Singollo|Elwë]], who would later become kings of the three fractions into which the elven race was split.<br />
<br />
Impressed by the wonders of Valinor, Finwë and his other two companions returned towards the Middle-earth and attempted to convince their race to follow them back into Aman. Those who agreed to follow Oromë received the name of [[Eldar]]. Among them were Finwë's people, the [[Noldor]]. They later became students of [[Aulë]] the Smith. Finwë's eldest son, [[Fëanor]], would become the greatest craftsman among the Elves of Valinor. <br />
<br />
===Life in Valinor ===<br />
<br />
Upon arriving in the blessed realm of Aman, Finwë was troubled only by the separation from his friend [[Elwë Singollo|Elwë]] who chose to remain in [[Beleriand]]. The Noldor settled on the [[Túna]] hill, raised for them by the Valar and, led by Finwë, they lived in the city of [[Tirion]], whom they shared with the [[Vanyar]]. It was during the building of Finwë's house that the masons found the earth-gems from which they crafted countless jewels to be given freely for the enrichment of Valinor. Later, Ingwë and his people left the city of Tirion and Finwë remained the only king to rule upon the Tuna hill.<br />
<br />
Finwë's first wife was [[Míriel Serindë]], skilled in all things that required fineness. From their love a son was born, [[Curufinwë]], whom would later be known as Fëanor. As he was brought into the world, he depleted Míriel's strength and zest for life and she requested to be allowed to rest in the gardens of [[Irmo (Lórien)|Lórien]]. Finwë was deeply saddened by this event. He did not wish to leave the young child without a mother, nor did he want him to be their last. But as his wife explained that what would have nourished many children, was all invested in Fëanor, he had no other choice but to accept her request. And thus Míriel, with [[Manwë]]'s counsel, was placed asleep in Irmo's gardens. Her [[Fëa and hröa|fëa]] eventually departed from her body and she never returned to life.<br />
<br />
This was a shocking event for all those present in Valinor, as never one of their own had died of free will. For some time, Finwë lived in sorrow and he often visited Míriel's body, but as his loneliness and lack of joy increased, he stopped seeing her altogether. His entire love now rested with his son, Fëanor, who grew up to be mighty and skilled in all things of hands and mind. He married [[Nerdanel]] and gave Finwë seven grandchildren.<br />
<br />
But Finwë was not content in living alone and he sought to marry for the second time. His wife was [[Indis|Indis the Fair]], a golden haired [[Vanya]], which he loved and whom brought him joy again. She gave him two sons, [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]], and two daughters, [[Findis]] and [[Irimë]]. And though he was now blissful again, the shadow of Míriel never left the House, especially since Fëanor opposed his father's second marriage. The sons of Finwë never lived together and never shared close bounds. And after the later events surrounding the [[Silmarils]] many blamed Finwë and his desire to have a second wife, for the dreadful courses of all those in the House. Most of these accusation had no ground, as Finwë has always loved his eldest son above all others, and the events surrounding his death would prove it. <br />
<br />
===Death=== <br />
<br />
During Melkor's attempt to corrupt the Noldor, Finwë attempted to moderate his people and lead them back to the Valar. When Fëanor was exiled from [[Tirion]], Finwë went with him to [[Formenos]]. There he was the first to be killed in Valinor when Melkor slew him at the doors of Formenos seeking the [[Silmarils]]. This act was the catalyst that led to the Revolt of the Ñoldor.<br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
<br />
Finwë's name is not clearly translated. The Appendix in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', part called "Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names", translates ''[[fin]]'' as "hair". In the ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', chapter [[The Etymologies]], ''[[phin]]'' it is translated as "nimbleness" or "skill". To either of these two, the suffix ''[[-wë]]'' is added. Used generally for male names it is derived from the stem ''[[weg]]'', meaning "manly vigour".<br />
<br />
''Noldóran'', as Finwë was also called, means "King of the Noldor". It is formed by the union of [[Noldor]] and ''[[aran]]'', a [[Sindarin]] noun which means "king".<br />
<br />
== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==<br />
<br />
In the first drafts of the genealogy, Finwë had four sons: the youngest was named ''[[Finrun]]'', but he was dropped after that, thus [[Finrod]] (later [[Finarfin]]) was Finwë's youngest son from then on.<br />
<br />
In a later version Finwë had three [[Daughters of Finwë|daughters]] added by [[Indis]], [[Findis]] (as their first child) [[Faniel]] (as their third), and [[Finvain]] (as their youngest). In yet later versions, Faniel was apparently dropped, while Findis and Finvain were kept. Finvain (renamed [[Irimë]]) was moved to after Fingolfin, thus Finarfin was once again the youngest child of Finwë.<br />
<br />
== Genealogy ==<br />
Finwë had two wives. His first was [[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]], who passed away soon after bearing their only child, [[Fëanor]]. His second wife was [[Indis]], of the [[Vanyar]], who bore him two sons: [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]], and two daughters: [[Findis]] and [[Irimë]].<br />
<br />
<br><br />
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{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br><br />
<br />
{{references}}<br />
<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Darkening of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Index of Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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|next=[[Fëanor]] (in [[Middle-earth]])<br>[[Finarfin]] (in [[Valinor]])<br />
|list=1st [[High King of the Noldor]]<br>c. YT 1102 – 1495<br />
}}<br />
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[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
[[de:Finwe]]<br />
[[fi:Finwë]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=M%C3%ADriel&diff=82766
Míriel
2009-05-16T13:44:11Z
<p>Þelma: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{youmay|the mother of [[Fëanor]]|[[Tar-Míriel]], last queen of [[Númenor]]}}<br />
{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Jenny Dolfen - A Tapestry of Sorrows.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Míriel<br />
| quenya=<br />
| titles=[[Queen of the Noldor]]<br />
| birth=<br />
| realm=[[Tirion]]<br />
| death=c. [[Years of the Trees 1179|Y.T. 1179]], [[Lórien in Valinor|Gardens of Lórien]]<br />
| age=Unknown<br />
| parentage=<br />
| spouse=[[Finwë]]<br />
| children=[[Fëanor]]<br />
| gender=Female<br />
| hair=Dark<br />
| ref=''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]'', ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', ''[[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]''<br />
|}}<br />
<center>{{quote|Míriel was the name of his mother, who was called Serindë, because of her surpassing skill in weaving and needlework; for her hands were more skilled to fineness than any hands even among the Noldor.|''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor ]]}}</center><br />
<br />
'''Míriel Serindë''', also spelled '''Þerindë''', was the first wife of [[Finwë]], [[King of the Noldor]]. Her son was ''[[Curufinwë]]'', whom she called [[Fëanor|Fëanáro]], which means "Spirit of Fire". Miriel's hair was described as being silver in appearance, an unusual color for one of the [[Noldor]].<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
<br />
Míriel lived in the blessed realm of [[Aman]], in the city of [[Tirion]] on the [[Tuna]] hill, together with her husband. Her hands were skilled in the shaping of fine things, and she was unsurpassed in weaving and needlework.<br />
<br />
There was much love between her and Finwë, and even more for her son, but after giving birth to Fëanor, her body and her spirit were consumed and she wished to be released from life, by saying that there was no strength left in her to bare another son. What would have been enough for other children, had been all given to Fëanor. Despite Finwë's grief, and her unhappiness to leaver her young child, Míriel departed for the gardens of [[Irmo (Lórien)|Lórien]], where she was supposed to be asleep for a shortwhile, until her strength would be regained. <br />
<br />
But during her rest, the [[Fëa and hröa|fëa]] departed from her body, and she entered the [[Halls of Mandos]], where the maidens of [[Estë]] took care of her body, so that it would not whither. In essence, she had died of free will. This was seen as a shocking event by the [[Valar]], and [[Manwë]] allowed Finwë to take another wife. <br />
<br />
After Finwë had been killed, Míriel was granted permission to return to life, where she entered the service of [[Vairë]], her task to weave all the deeds of the [[House of Finwë]] in the [[Tapestry of Time]].<br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
The name '''Míriel''' means "Jewel-daughter" in [[Quenya]], from ''[[mîr]]'' ("jewel") and ''[[-iel]]'' ("daughter"). Her ''[[epessë]]'' '''[[Serindë]]''', or '''Þerindë''' in the [[Quenya]] of [[Tirion]], means "the Broideress", referring to her work for Vairë. <br />
<br />
==Other versions of the legendarium==<br />
In the beginning of ''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]'', Fëanor is an adult, and Míriel is still alive. There the similarities between mother and son, such as their stubbornness, are revealed. Fëanor's reaction to his mother's death is also presented, as he guarded her [[Fëa and hröa|hröa]], which was placed in a garden, for some time after her passing. In the published ''[[Silmarillion]]'', Míriel died soon after birth.<br />
<br />
== Genealogy ==<br />
<br><br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
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{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Míriel Serindë|Images of Míriel Serindë]]<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=M%C3%ADriel&diff=82765
Míriel
2009-05-16T13:39:30Z
<p>Þelma: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{youmay|the mother of [[Fëanor]]|[[Tar-Míriel]], last queen of [[Númenor]]}}<br />
{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Jenny Dolfen - A Tapestry of Sorrows.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Míriel<br />
| quenya=<br />
| titles=[[Queen of the Noldor]]<br />
| birth=<br />
| realm=[[Tirion]]<br />
| death=c. [[Years of the Trees 1179|Y.T. 1179]], [[Lórien in Valinor|Gardens of Lórien]]<br />
| age=Unknown<br />
| parentage=<br />
| spouse=[[Finwë]]<br />
| children=[[Fëanor]]<br />
| gender=Female<br />
| hair=Dark<br />
| ref=''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]'', ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', ''[[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]''<br />
|}}<br />
'''Míriel Serindë''', also spelled '''Þerindë''', was the first wife of [[Finwë]], [[King of the Noldor]]. Her son was ''[[Curufinwë]]'', whom she called [[Fëanor|Fëanáro]], which means "Spirit of Fire". Miriel's hair was described as being silver in appearance, an unusual color for one of the [[Noldor]].<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
<br />
Míriel lived in the blessed realm of [[Aman]], in the city of [[Tirion]] on the [[Tuna]] hill, together with her husband. Her hands were skilled in the shaping of fine things, and she was unsurpassed in weaving and needlework.<br />
<br />
There was much love between her and Finwë, and even more for her son, but after giving birth to Fëanor, her body and her spirit were consumed and she wished to be released from life, by saying that there was no strength left in her to bare another son. What would have been enough for other children, had been all given to Fëanor. Despite Finwë's grief, and her unhappiness to leaver her young child, Míriel departed for the gardens of [[Irmo (Lórien)|Lórien]], where she was supposed to be asleep for a shortwhile, until her strength would be regained. <br />
<br />
But during her rest, the [[Fëa and hröa|fëa]] departed from her body, and she entered the [[Halls of Mandos]], where the maidens of [[Estë]] took care of her body, so that it would not whither. In essence, she had died of free will. This was seen as a shocking event by the [[Valar]], and [[Manwë]] allowed Finwë to take another wife. <br />
<br />
After Finwë had been killed, Míriel was granted permission to return to life, where she entered the service of [[Vairë]], her task to weave all the deeds of the [[House of Finwë]] in the [[Tapestry of Time]].<br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
The name '''Míriel''' means "Jewel-daughter" in [[Quenya]], from ''[[mîr]]'' ("jewel") and ''[[-iel]]'' ("daughter"). Her ''[[epessë]]'' '''[[Serindë]]''', or '''Þerindë''' in the [[Quenya]] of [[Tirion]], means "the Broideress", referring to her work for Vairë. <br />
<br />
==Other versions of the legendarium==<br />
In the beginning of ''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]'', Fëanor is an adult, and Míriel is still alive. There the similarities between mother and son, such as their stubbornness, are revealed. Fëanor's reaction to his mother's death is also presented, as he guarded her [[Fëa and hröa|hröa]], which was placed in a garden, for some time after her passing. In the published ''[[Silmarillion]]'', Míriel died soon after birth.<br />
<br />
== Genealogy ==<br />
<br><br />
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{{familytree| | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|MÍRIEL SERINDË]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
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{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Míriel Serindë|Images of Míriel Serindë]]<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Finw%C3%AB&diff=82517
Finwë
2009-05-14T05:41:33Z
<p>Þelma: </p>
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<div>{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Finwe.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Finwë<br />
| quenya=Finwë<br />
| titles=[[High King of the Noldor]]<br />
| birth=Early [[Years of the Trees|Y.T.]], [[Cuiviénen]]<br />
| realm=[[Tirion]]<br />
| death=c. [[Years of the Trees 1492|Y.T. 1492]], [[Formenos]]<br />
| age=<br />
| parentage=Firstborn<br />
| spouse=[[Míriel Serindë]], [[Indis]]<br />
| children=[[Fëanor]], [[Irimë]], [[Fingolfin]], [[Finarfin]], [[Findis]]<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Black<br />
| ref=''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
{{Pronounce|Finwe Noldoran.mp3|Ardamir}}<br />
'''Finwë''' was the first [[High King of the Noldor]] (as such he is sometimes surnamed '''Noldóran''') who led his [[Elves|Elven]] people on the journey from Middle-earth to [[Valinor]] in the blessed realm of [[Aman]]. He was a great friend of [[Elu Thingol]], the King of [[Doriath]].<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
===Life in Middle-earth===<br />
<br />
The first [[Elves]] awoke in [[Middle-earth]], near the [[Cuiviénen|Lake Cuiviénen]], sometime during the early [[Years of the Trees]]. Though it is not clearly stated in the [[Silmarillion]], Finwë was probably among the first [[Elder Children of Ilúvatar|Children of Ilúvatar]]. [[Oromë]], The Huntsman of the [[Valar]], while traveling in the [[Orocarni]] mountains, discovered the Elves and bonded friendship with their kin.<br />
<br />
Later, as the Valar decided to call the first Children of [[Ilúvatar]] in Valinor, because they regarded this call with suspicion, he selected three elves to follow him into Aman and report back what they have seen, in the hopes that they could decimate the fears which were seeded into the hearts of the elves by [[Melkor]]'s own doing. The three elves were Finwë, [[Ingwë]] and [[Elwë Singollo|Elwë]], who would later become kings of the three fractions into which the elven race was split.<br />
<br />
Impressed by the wonders of Valinor, Finwë and his other two companions returned towards the Middle-earth and attempted to convince their race to follow them back into Aman. Those who agreed to follow Oromë received the name of [[Eldar]]. Among them were Finwë's people, the [[Noldor]]. They later became students of [[Aulë]] the Smith. Finwë's eldest son, [[Fëanor]], would become the greatest craftsman among the Elves of Valinor. <br />
<br />
===Life in Valinor ===<br />
<br />
Upon arriving in the blessed realm of Aman, Finwë was troubled only by the separation from his friend [[Elwë Singollo|Elwë]] who chose to remain in [[Beleriand]]. The Noldor settled on the [[Túna]] hill, raised for them by the Valar and, led by Finwë, they lived in the city of [[Tirion]], whom they shared with the [[Vanyar]]. It was during the building of Finwë's house that the masons found the earth-gems from which they crafted countless jewels to be given freely for the enrichment of Valinor. Later, Ingwë and his people left the city of Tirion and Finwë remained the only king to rule upon the Tuna hill.<br />
<br />
During Melkor's attempt to corrupt the Noldor, Finwë attempted to moderate his people and lead them back to the Valar. When Fëanor was exiled from [[Tirion]], Finwë went with him to [[Formenos]]. There he was the first to be killed in Valinor when Melkor slew him at the doors of Formenos seeking the [[Silmarils]]. This act was the catalyst that led to the Revolt of the Ñoldor.<br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
<br />
Finwë's name is not clearly translated. The Appendix in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', part called "Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names", translates ''[[fin]]'' as "hair". In the ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', chapter [[The Etymologies]], ''[[phin]]'' it is translated as "nimbleness" or "skill". To either of these two, the suffix ''[[-wë]]'' is added. Used generally for male names it is derived from the stem ''[[weg]]'', meaning "manly vigour".<br />
<br />
''Noldóran'', as Finwë was also called, means "King of the Noldor". It is formed by the union of [[Noldor]] and ''[[aran]]'', a [[Sindarin]] noun which means "king".<br />
<br />
== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==<br />
<br />
In the first drafts of the genealogy, Finwë had four sons: the youngest was named ''[[Finrun]]'', but he was dropped after that, thus [[Finrod]] (later [[Finarfin]]) was Finwë's youngest son from then on.<br />
<br />
In a later version Finwë had three [[Daughters of Finwë|daughters]] added by [[Indis]], [[Findis]] (as their first child) [[Faniel]] (as their third), and [[Finvain]] (as their youngest). In yet later versions, Faniel was apparently dropped, while Findis and Finvain were kept. Finvain (renamed [[Irimë]]) was moved to after Fingolfin, thus Finarfin was once again the youngest child of Finwë.<br />
<br />
== Genealogy ==<br />
Finwë had two wives. His first was [[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]], who passed away soon after bearing their only child, [[Fëanor]]. His second wife was [[Indis]], of the [[Vanyar]], who bore him two sons: [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]], and two daughters: [[Findis]] and [[Irimë]].<br />
<br />
<br><br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN='''FINWË'''|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br><br />
<br />
{{references}}<br />
<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Darkening of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Index of Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
<br />
<br />
{{sequence<br />
|prev=none<br />
|next=[[Fëanor]] (in [[Middle-earth]])<br>[[Finarfin]] (in [[Valinor]])<br />
|list=1st [[High King of the Noldor]]<br>c. YT 1102 – 1495<br />
}}<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
[[de:Finwe]]<br />
[[fi:Finwë]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Finw%C3%AB&diff=82508
Finwë
2009-05-13T20:25:56Z
<p>Þelma: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Finwe.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Finwë<br />
| quenya=Finwë<br />
| titles=[[High King of the Noldor]]<br />
| birth=Early [[Years of the Trees|Y.T.]], [[Cuiviénen]]<br />
| realm=[[Tirion]]<br />
| death=c. [[Years of the Trees 1492|Y.T. 1492]], [[Formenos]]<br />
| age=<br />
| parentage=Firstborn<br />
| spouse=[[Míriel Serindë]], [[Indis]]<br />
| children=[[Fëanor]], [[Irimë]], [[Fingolfin]], [[Finarfin]], [[Findis]]<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Black<br />
| ref=''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
{{Pronounce|Finwe Noldoran.mp3|Ardamir}}<br />
'''Finwë''' was the first [[High King of the Noldor]] (as such he is sometimes surnamed '''Noldóran''') who led his [[Elves|Elven]] people on the journey from Middle-earth to [[Valinor]] in the blessed realm of [[Aman]]. He was a great friend of [[Elu Thingol]], the King of [[Doriath]].<br />
<br />
==Life in Middle-earth==<br />
<br />
The first [[Elves]] awoke in [[Middle-earth]], near the [[Cuiviénen|Lake Cuiviénen]], sometime during the early [[Years of the Trees]]. Though it is not clearly stated in the [[Silmarillion]], Finwë was probably among the first [[Elder Children of Ilúvatar|Children of Ilúvatar]]. [[Oromë]], The Huntsman of the [[Valar]], while traveling in the [[Orocarni]] mountains, discovered the Elves and bonded friendship with their kin.<br />
<br />
Later, as the Valar decided to call the first Children of [[Ilúvatar]] in Valinor, because they regarded this call with suspicion, he selected three elves to follwo him into Aman and report back what they have seen, in the hopes that they could decimate the fears which were seeded into the hearts of the elves by [[Melkor]]'s own doing. The three elves were Finwë, [[Ingwë]] and [[Elwë Singollo|Elwë]], who would later become kings of the three fractions into which the elven race was split.<br />
<br />
Impressed by the wonders of Valinor, Finwë and his other two companions returned towards the Middle-earth and attempted to convince their race to follow them back into Aman. Those who agreed to follow Oromë received the name of [[Eldar]]. Among them were Finwë's people, the [[Noldor]]. They later became students of [[Aulë]] the Smith. Finwë's eldest son, [[Fëanor]], would become the greatest craftsman among the Elves of Valinor. <br />
<br />
==Life in Valinor ==<br />
<br />
During [[Melkor]]'s attempt to corrupt the Noldor, Finwë attempted to moderate his people and lead them back to the [[Valar]]. When Fëanor was exiled from [[Tirion]], Finwë went with him to [[Formenos]]. There he was the first to be killed in Valinor when Melkor slew him at the doors of Formenos seeking the [[Silmarils]]. This act was the catalyst that led to the Revolt of the Ñoldor.<br />
<br />
==Spouse==<br />
<br />
Finwë had two wives. His first was [[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]], who passed away soon after bearing their only child, [[Fëanor]]. His second wife was [[Indis]], of the [[Vanyar]], who bore him two sons: [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]], and two daughters: [[Findis]] and [[Irimë]].<br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
<br />
Finwë's name is not clearly translated. The Appendix in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', part called "Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names", translates ''[[fin]]'' as "hair". In the ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', chapter [[The Etymologies]], ''[[phin]]'' it is translated as "nimbleness" or "skill". To either of these two, the suffix ''[[-wë]]'' is added. Used generaly for male names it is derived from the stem ''[[weg]]'', meaning "manly vigour".<br />
<br />
''Noldóran'', as Finwë was also called, means "King of the Noldor". It is formed by the union of [[Noldor]] and ''[[aran]]'', a [[Sindarin]] noun which means "king".<br />
<br />
== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==<br />
<br />
In the first drafts of the genealogy, Finwë had four sons: the youngest was named ''[[Finrun]]'', but he was dropped after that, thus [[Finrod]] (later [[Finarfin]]) was Finwë's youngest son from then on.<br />
<br />
In a later version Finwë had three [[Daughters of Finwë|daughters]] added by [[Indis]], [[Findis]] (as their first child) [[Faniel]] (as their third), and [[Finvain]] (as their youngest). In yet later versions, Faniel was apparently dropped, while Findis and Finvain were kept. Finvain (renamed [[Irimë]]) was moved to after Fingolfin, thus Finarfin was once again the youngest child of Finwë.<br />
<br />
== Genealogy ==<br />
<br />
<br><br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN='''FINWË'''|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Darkening of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Index of Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
<br />
<br />
{{sequence<br />
|prev=none<br />
|next=[[Fëanor]] (in [[Middle-earth]])<br>[[Finarfin]] (in [[Valinor]])<br />
|list=1st [[High King of the Noldor]]<br>c. YT 1102 – 1495<br />
}}<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
[[de:Finwe]]<br />
[[fi:Finwë]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Finw%C3%AB&diff=82507
Finwë
2009-05-13T20:21:49Z
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<hr />
<div>{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Finwe.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Finwë<br />
| quenya=Finwë<br />
| titles=[[High King of the Noldor]]<br />
| birth=Early [[Years of the Trees|Y.T.]], [[Cuiviénen]]<br />
| realm=[[Tirion]]<br />
| death=c. [[Years of the Trees 1492|Y.T. 1492]], [[Formenos]]<br />
| age=<br />
| parentage=Firstborn<br />
| spouse=[[Míriel Serindë]], [[Indis]]<br />
| children=[[Fëanor]], [[Irimë]], [[Fingolfin]], [[Finarfin]], [[Findis]]<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Black<br />
| ref=''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
{{Pronounce|Finwe Noldoran.mp3|Ardamir}}<br />
'''Finwë''' was the first [[High King of the Noldor]] (as such he is sometimes surnamed '''Noldóran''') who led his [[Elves|Elven]] people on the journey from Middle-earth to [[Valinor]] in the blessed realm of [[Aman]]. He was a great friend of [[Elu Thingol]], the King of [[Doriath]].<br />
<br />
==Life in Middle-earth==<br />
<br />
The first [[Elves]] awoke in [[Middle-earth]], near the [[Cuiviénen|Lake Cuiviénen]], sometime during the early [[Years of the Trees]]. Though it is not clearly stated in the [[Silmarillion]], Finwë was probably among the first [[Elder Children of Ilúvatar|Children of Ilúvatar]]. [[Oromë]], The Huntsman of the [[Valar]], while traveling in the [[Orocarni]] mountains, discovered the Elves and bonded friendship with their kin.<br />
<br />
Later, as the Valar decided to call the first Children of [[Ilúvatar]] in Valinor, because they regarded this call with suspicion, he selected three Elves to follwo him into Aman and report back what they have seen. The three elves were Finwë, [[Ingwë]] and [[Elwë Singollo|Elwë]], who would later become kings of the three fractions into which the elven race was split.<br />
<br />
Impressed by the wonders of Valinor, Finwë and his other two companions returned towards the Middle-earth and attempted to convince their race to follow them back into Aman. Those who agreed to follow Oromë received the name of [[Eldar]]. Among them were Finwë's people, the [[Noldor]]. They later became students of [[Aulë]] the Smith. Finwë's eldest son, [[Fëanor]], would become the greatest craftsman among the Elves of Valinor. <br />
<br />
==Life in Valinor ==<br />
<br />
During [[Melkor]]'s attempt to corrupt the Noldor, Finwë attempted to moderate his people and lead them back to the [[Valar]]. When Fëanor was exiled from [[Tirion]], Finwë went with him to [[Formenos]]. There he was the first to be killed in Valinor when Melkor slew him at the doors of Formenos seeking the [[Silmarils]]. This act was the catalyst that led to the Revolt of the Ñoldor.<br />
<br />
==Spouse==<br />
<br />
Finwë had two wives. His first was [[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]], who passed away soon after bearing their only child, [[Fëanor]]. His second wife was [[Indis]], of the [[Vanyar]], who bore him two sons: [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]], and two daughters: [[Findis]] and [[Irimë]].<br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
<br />
Finwë's name is not clearly translated. The Appendix in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', part called "Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names", translates ''[[fin]]'' as "hair". In the ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', chapter [[The Etymologies]], ''[[phin]]'' it is translated as "nimbleness" or "skill". To either of these two, the suffix ''[[-wë]]'' is added. Used generaly for male names it is derived from the stem ''[[weg]]'', meaning "manly vigour".<br />
<br />
''Noldóran'', as Finwë was also called, means "King of the Noldor". It is formed by the union of [[Noldor]] and ''[[aran]]'', a [[Sindarin]] noun which means "king".<br />
<br />
== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==<br />
<br />
In the first drafts of the genealogy, Finwë had four sons: the youngest was named ''[[Finrun]]'', but he was dropped after that, thus [[Finrod]] (later [[Finarfin]]) was Finwë's youngest son from then on.<br />
<br />
In a later version Finwë had three [[Daughters of Finwë|daughters]] added by [[Indis]], [[Findis]] (as their first child) [[Faniel]] (as their third), and [[Finvain]] (as their youngest). In yet later versions, Faniel was apparently dropped, while Findis and Finvain were kept. Finvain (renamed [[Irimë]]) was moved to after Fingolfin, thus Finarfin was once again the youngest child of Finwë.<br />
<br />
== Genealogy ==<br />
<br />
<br><br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN='''FINWË'''|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Darkening of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Index of Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
<br />
<br />
{{sequence<br />
|prev=none<br />
|next=[[Fëanor]] (in [[Middle-earth]])<br>[[Finarfin]] (in [[Valinor]])<br />
|list=1st [[High King of the Noldor]]<br>c. YT 1102 – 1495<br />
}}<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
[[de:Finwe]]<br />
[[fi:Finwë]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Finw%C3%AB&diff=82506
Finwë
2009-05-13T20:20:33Z
<p>Þelma: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Finwe.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Finwë<br />
| quenya=Finwë<br />
| titles=[[High King of the Noldor]]<br />
| birth=Early [[Years of the Trees|Y.T.]], [[Cuiviénen]]<br />
| realm=[[Tirion]]<br />
| death=c. [[Years of the Trees 1492|Y.T. 1492]], [[Formenos]]<br />
| age=<br />
| parentage=Firstborn<br />
| spouse=[[Míriel Serindë]], [[Indis]]<br />
| children=[[Fëanor]], [[Irimë]], [[Fingolfin]], [[Finarfin]], [[Findis]]<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Black<br />
| ref=''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
{{Pronounce|Finwe Noldoran.mp3|Ardamir}}<br />
'''Finwë''' was the first [[High King of the Noldor]] (as such he is sometimes surnamed '''Noldóran''') who led his [[Elves|Elven]] people on the journey from Middle-earth to [[Valinor]] in the blessed realm of [[Aman]]. He was a great friend of [[Elu Thingol]], the King of [[Doriath]].<br />
<br />
==Life in Middle Earth==<br />
<br />
The first [[Elves]] awoke in [[Middle-earth]], near the [[Cuiviénen|Lake Cuiviénen]], sometime during the early [[Years of the Trees]]. Though it is not clearly stated in the [[Silmarillion]], Finwë was probably among the first [[Elder Children of Ilúvatar|Children of Ilúvatar]]. [[Oromë]], The Huntsman of the [[Valar]], while traveling in the [[Orocarni]] mountains, discovered the Elves and bonded friendship with their kin.<br />
<br />
Later, as the Valar decided to call the first Children of [[Ilúvatar]] in Valinor, because they regarded this call with suspicion, he selected three Elves to follwo him into Aman and report back what they have seen. The three elves were Finwë, [[Ingwë]] and [[Elwë Singollo|Elwë]], who would later become kings of the three fractions into which the elven race was split.<br />
<br />
Impressed by the wonders of Valinor, Finwë and his other two companions returned towards the Middle-earth and attempted to convince their race to follow them back into Aman. Those who agreed to follow Oromë received the name of [[Eldar]]. Among them were Finwë's people, the [[Noldor]]. They later became students of [[Aulë]] the Smith. Finwë's eldest son, [[Fëanor]], would become the greatest craftsman among the Elves of Valinor. <br />
<br />
==Life in Valinor ==<br />
<br />
During [[Melkor]]'s attempt to corrupt the Noldor, Finwë attempted to moderate his people and lead them back to the [[Valar]]. When Fëanor was exiled from [[Tirion]], Finwë went with him to [[Formenos]]. There he was the first to be killed in Valinor when Melkor slew him at the doors of Formenos seeking the [[Silmarils]]. This act was the catalyst that led to the Revolt of the Ñoldor.<br />
<br />
==Spouse==<br />
<br />
Finwë had two wives. His first was [[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]], who passed away soon after bearing their only child, [[Fëanor]]. His second wife was [[Indis]], of the [[Vanyar]], who bore him two sons: [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]], and two daughters: [[Findis]] and [[Irimë]].<br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
<br />
Finwë's name is not clearly translated. The Appendix in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', part called "Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names", translates ''[[fin]]'' as "hair". In the ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', chapter [[The Etymologies]], ''[[phin]]'' it is translated as "nimbleness" or "skill". To either of these two, the suffix ''[[-wë]]'' is added. Used generaly for male names it is derived from the stem ''[[weg]]'', meaning "manly vigour".<br />
<br />
''Noldóran'', as Finwë was also called, means "King of the Noldor". It is formed by the union of [[Noldor]] and ''[[aran]]'', a [[Sindarin]] noun which means "king".<br />
<br />
== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==<br />
<br />
In the first drafts of the genealogy, Finwë had four sons: the youngest was named ''[[Finrun]]'', but he was dropped after that, thus [[Finrod]] (later [[Finarfin]]) was Finwë's youngest son from then on.<br />
<br />
In a later version Finwë had three [[Daughters of Finwë|daughters]] added by [[Indis]], [[Findis]] (as their first child) [[Faniel]] (as their third), and [[Finvain]] (as their youngest). In yet later versions, Faniel was apparently dropped, while Findis and Finvain were kept. Finvain (renamed [[Irimë]]) was moved to after Fingolfin, thus Finarfin was once again the youngest child of Finwë.<br />
<br />
== Genealogy ==<br />
<br />
<br><br />
{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN='''FINWË'''|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
<br><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Darkening of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Index of Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
<br />
<br />
{{sequence<br />
|prev=none<br />
|next=[[Fëanor]] (in [[Middle-earth]])<br>[[Finarfin]] (in [[Valinor]])<br />
|list=1st [[High King of the Noldor]]<br>c. YT 1102 – 1495<br />
}}<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
[[de:Finwe]]<br />
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<div>{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Finwe.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Finwë<br />
| quenya=Finwë<br />
| titles=[[High King of the Noldor]]<br />
| birth=Early [[Years of the Trees|Y.T.]], [[Cuiviénen]]<br />
| realm=[[Tirion]]<br />
| death=c. [[Years of the Trees 1492|Y.T. 1492]], [[Formenos]]<br />
| age=<br />
| parentage=Firstborn<br />
| spouse=[[Míriel Serindë]], [[Indis]]<br />
| children=[[Fëanor]], [[Irimë]], [[Fingolfin]], [[Finarfin]], [[Findis]]<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Black<br />
| ref=''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
{{Pronounce|Finwe Noldoran.mp3|Ardamir}}<br />
'''Finwë''' was the first [[High King of the Noldor]] (as such he is sometimes surnamed '''Noldóran''') who led his [[Elves|Elven]] people on the journey from Middle-earth to [[Valinor]] in the blessed realm of [[Aman]]. He was a great friend of [[Elu Thingol]], the King of [[Doriath]].<br />
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==History==<br />
Finwë had two wives. His first was [[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]], who passed away soon after bearing their only child, [[Fëanor]]. His second wife was [[Indis]], of the [[Vanyar]], who bore him two sons: [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]], and two daughters: [[Findis]] and [[Irimë]].<br />
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During [[Melkor]]'s attempt to corrupt the Noldor, Finwë attempted to moderate his people and lead them back to the [[Valar]]. When Fëanor was exiled from [[Tirion]], Finwë went with him to [[Formenos]]. There he was the first to be killed in Valinor when Melkor slew him at the doors of Formenos seeking the [[Silmarils]]. This act was the catalyst that led to the Revolt of the Ñoldor.<br />
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==Etymology==<br />
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Finwë's name is not clearly translated. The Appendix in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', part called "Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names", translates ''[[fin]]'' as "hair". In the ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', chapter [[The Etymologies]], ''[[phin]]'' it is translated as "nimbleness" or "skill". To either of these two, the suffix ''[[-wë]]'' is added. Used generaly for male names it is derived from the stem ''[[weg]]'', meaning "manly vigour".<br />
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''Noldóran'', as Finwë was also called, means "King of the Noldor". It is formed by the union of [[Noldor]] and ''[[aran]]'', a [[Sindarin]] noun which means "king".<br />
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== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==<br />
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In the first drafts of the genealogy, Finwë had four sons: the youngest was named ''[[Finrun]]'', but he was dropped after that, thus [[Finrod]] (later [[Finarfin]]) was Finwë's youngest son from then on.<br />
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In a later version Finwë had three [[Daughters of Finwë|daughters]] added by [[Indis]], [[Findis]] (as their first child) [[Faniel]] (as their third), and [[Finvain]] (as their youngest). In yet later versions, Faniel was apparently dropped, while Findis and Finvain were kept. Finvain (renamed [[Irimë]]) was moved to after Fingolfin, thus Finarfin was once again the youngest child of Finwë.<br />
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== Genealogy ==<br />
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==References==<br />
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* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Darkening of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Index of Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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{{sequence<br />
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|next=[[Fëanor]] (in [[Middle-earth]])<br>[[Finarfin]] (in [[Valinor]])<br />
|list=1st [[High King of the Noldor]]<br>c. YT 1102 – 1495<br />
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Fëanor
2009-05-13T06:11:40Z
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<div>{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Catherine Karina Chmiel - Feanor.jpg|300px]]<br />
| name=Fëanor<br />
| quenya=[[fn]] ''[[Curufinwë]]'' ([[mn]] ''[[Fëanáro]]'')<br />
| titles=[[High King of the Noldor]]<br />
| birth=[[YOTT|Y.T.]] 1169, in [[Tirion]]<br />
| realm=[[Valinor]]<br />
| death=[[First Age|F.A.]] [[First Age 1|1]]<br />
| age=3171 [[years of the Sun|years]]<br />
| parentage=[[Finwë]] and [[Míriel Serindë|Miriel]]<br />
| spouse=[[Nerdanel]]<br />
| children=Seven [[Sons of Fëanor|sons]]<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Black<br />
| ref=''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
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<center>{{quote|For Fëanor was made the mightiest in all parts of body and mind: in valour, in endurance, in beauty, in understanding, in skill, in strength and subtlety alike: of all the Children of Ilúvatar, and a bright flame was in him.|''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor]]}}</center><br />
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[[Image:Feanor_device.gif|left|100px]] <br />
'''Fëanor''' was a prince of the [[Noldor]], eldest and most beloved son of [[Finwë]]. He had the greatest skill of word and hand, a renowned craftsman, gem-smith, and warrior. Fëanor created the [[Silmarils]], which was his most famous deed, and also wrought the [[palantíri]] and the [[Fëanorian lamps]]. In addition, he invented the widely-used [[Tengwar]] script. His passionate hatred of [[Morgoth]] and terrible [[Oath of Fëanor|oath]] led directly to the great triumphs and tragedies of the First Age.<br />
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== Life in Valinor ==<br />
Fëanáro Curufinwë (as was his original name) was the eldest son of Finwë, the [[High King of the Noldor]], and his first wife [[Míriel Serindë]]. He drew so much of Míriel's life energy when he was born that she grew weary of life, and departed to [[Lórien in Valinor|Lórien]], where she voluntarily left her corporeal form, and died. Finwë remarried, and had two more sons, Fëanor's half-brothers [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]], and two daughters, [[Daughters of Finwë|Findis]] and [[Daughters of Finwë|Irimë]]. Fëanor wedded [[Nerdanel]], daughter of [[Mahtan]], who bore him [[Sons of Fëanor|seven sons]]: [[Maedhros]], [[Maglor]], [[Celegorm]], [[Caranthir]], [[Curufin]], [[Amrod]] and [[Amras]].<br />
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At this time, [[Melkor]], the mightiest of the Valar and source of evil, had deceived the Valar into thinking that he had repented of his evil ways. Pardoned and residing in Valinor, he undertook to corrupt the Noldor and succeeded in making them instruments of his malice, particularly Fëanor. But Fëanor greatly mistrusted Melkor, which was part of Melkor's plan.<br />
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[[Image:Antti Autio - The Threat of Feanor.jpg|thumb|left|350px|''Fëanor's threat'' by [[Antti Autio]]]]<br />
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In the greatest of his achievements, Fëanor captured the light of the [[Two Trees]] to make the three Silmarils, also called the Great Jewels. He prized the Silmarils above all else, and grew increasingly suspicious that the Valar and other Eldar coveted them. He either vainly displayed the jewels or jealously guarded them from all except his immediate family.<br />
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Melkor greatly desired the Silmarils and his hatred for Fëanor grew, but the Valar still did not know of Melkor's true intentions. Melkor played upon Fëanor's temperament and pride to convince him that his own half-brother Fingolfin was not only planning to usurp his place as heir to Finwë, but also seize the jewels for himself. Fëanor's hostility grew to the point to where he threatened Fingolfin's life. (It was at this time that the Noldor first began to forge weapons.) For this, the Valar exiled him to Formenos. He took a substantial treasure with him, including the Silmarils, which he put in a locked box. In a show of support for his eldest son, Finwë withdrew to Formenos. <br />
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The Valar realized that Melkor was behind Fëanor's actions. They sent [[Tulkas]] to imprison him again, but he could not be found. Melkor was not seen for a long time, until he unexpectedly showed up at Formenos. Since with Finwë and Fëanor's absence Fingolfin had become king, it seemed that Melkor's lies were true. Melkor tried again to convince Fëanor of them, but he erred, and Fëanor realized that Melkor's true goal was to obtain the Silmarils. He shut the door in Melkor's face. In a rage, Melkor left. When the Valar heard of the incident, they started the hunt up again. But it was apparent that Melkor had fled from Valinor. He feigned to go north, but then turned south.<br />
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After a time the Valar sought to mend the breach between Fëanor and Fingolfin, and invited them to Valinor to make peace. Fingolfin offered a hand to his half-brother, recognizing Fëanor's place as the eldest, which he grudgingly accepted.<br />
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Meanwhile, Melkor stole away to [[Avathar]] in the south of Aman to seek out the evil, spider-like creature [[Ungoliant]]. Ungoliant helped Morgoth destroy the Two Trees, bringing darkness to Valinor. Morgoth and Ungoliant then went to Formenos, slew Finwë, and took all the gems there, including the Silmarils. They escaped by crossing the [[Helcaraxë]], or Grinding Ice, in the north to [[Beleriand]] in Middle-earth.<br />
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It was during the festivities where Fëanor and Fingolfin were being reconciled that the Trees were destroyed. The Valar knew that now the light of the Trees survived only in the Silmarils and [[Yavanna]] asked Fëanor to give them up so that they could restore the Trees. Fëanor emphatically stated that he would not give up his Silmarils of his own free will; if the Valar forced him, he said, they would be no better than Melkor. It was after this that the messenger came telling of the raid at Formenos.<br />
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According to the messenger, Melkor, surrounded by an impenetrable black fog, had come to Fëanor's vault in Formenos. Finwë the High King fought and lost against Melkor, and was the first elf to be slain in Valinor. Melkor ransacked the vault, taking many valuable jewels. Most notably, he was responsible for the thievery of the Silmarils.<br />
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== The Return of the Noldor ==<br />
[[Image:Tuuliky - Feanor.jpg|thumb|250px|left|''Fëanor'' by Tuuliky]]The Valar and Eldar now fully understood the extent of Melkor's treachery. Fëanor, upon learning of his father's murder and the theft of his prized Silmarils, named Melkor "Morgoth", or "Black Enemy". Now King of the Noldor, Fëanor delivered the most impassioned speech ever given in Arda, which he unwittingly filled with Morgoth's taint. He railed against the Dark Lord, but because of Morgoth's influence, he also blamed the Valar for Morgoth's deeds. He persuaded most his people that because the Valar had abandoned them, the Noldor must follow him to Middle-earth and fight the Dark Lord. Fëanor then swore the terrible [[Oath of Fëanor]] which all seven of his sons also proclaimed, vowing to fight anyone and everyone—whether Elf, Man, Maia, or Vala—who withheld the Silmarils, and invoking even [[Ilúvatar]] as a witness. This Oath led to much conflict and later caused great tragedy among his seven sons.<br />
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Seeking a way to get to Middle-earth, he went to the shores of Aman, where the seafaring [[Teleri]] lived, and demanded the use of their ships. When Teleri refused to give or lend their ships, Fëanor ordered the Noldor to take the ships. The Teleri resisted, and a battle broke out, in which many of them were slain. <br />
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In repentance of this act, Finarfin, Finwë's third son, took his host and turned back. They were accepted by the Valar, and Finarfin ruled as High-King of the Noldor in Valinor. <br />
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There were not enough ships to carry all of the Noldor across the sea, so Fëanor and his sons led the first group. Upon arriving at Losgar, in the land of Lammoth, in the far west of Beleriand, where Morgoth and Ungoliant had passed not long before, they decided to burn the ships and leave the followers of Fingolfin behind. However, Fëanor accidentally left his son Amras in the ships, and he was burned alive{{ref|nameSons}}. The earth being flat in those days, the remaining Noldor saw the flames, and perceived that if they were to go to Middle-earth, they had no choice but to cross the Helcaraxë. This they did under the leadership of Fingolfin, and suffered great losses along the way, which greatly added to the animosity they had for Fëanor and his sons. [[Image:Carlo_Pagulayan_-_Feanor_and_Gothmog.jpg|thumb|right|250px|''Fëanor and Gothmog'' by Carlo Pagulayan]]<br />
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Learning of the Noldor's arrival, Morgoth summoned his armies from his fortress of [[Angband]] and attacked Fëanor's encampment in [[Mithrim]]. This battle was called the [[Dagor-nuin-Giliath]] ("Battle under the Stars"), for the Sun and Moon had not yet been made. The Noldor managed to win the battle and disperse Morgoth's armies. Fëanor, still in a great rage, pressed on toward Angband with his sons. He came even within sight of Angband, but was ambushed by a force of [[Balrogs]], with few elves about him. He fought mightily, hewing even after receiving several wounds from [[Gothmog, Lord of Balrogs]]. <br />
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His sons came upon the balrogs with great force of elves, and were able to drive them off. However, as Fëanor was being carried off the battlefield, he knew his wounds were fatal. He cursed Angband thrice, but with the eyes of death, he knew that his elves, unaided, would never throw down the dark towers. At the moment of his death the passing of his fiery spirit reduced his body to ashes.<br />
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His sons were still bound by the Oath to recover the Silmarils, which would determine the events of Middle-earth during the First Age.<br />
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== Etymology ==<br />
Fëanor's [[father-name]] was ''[[Curufinwë]]''', "Skillful Finwë", by adding ''[[curu]]'', the [[Quenya]] noun for "skill", to his father's name . He later gave his favorite son [[Curufin]] the same father-name. His [[mother-name]] was ''[[Fëanáro]]'', which translates as "Spirit of Fire", being formed by adding ''[[fëa]]'', a Quenya noun for "spirit" and ''[[nár]]'', "flame". Apparently, the masculine ending ''[[-o]]'' is also present. The name Fëanor is the [[Sindarin]] version of his mother-name.<br />
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== Genealogy ==<br />
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{{familytree| MHT | | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]|MHT=[[Mahtan]]}}<br />
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{{familytree| | NRD |~|y|~| FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA='''FËANOR'''|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| MDH | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]|MDH=[[Maedhros]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | MAG |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CEL | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|CEL=[[Celegorm]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | CAR |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |CAR=[[Caranthir]]}}<br />
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{{familytree| | | AMD |(| |`|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |AMD=[[Amrod]]}}<br />
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== References ==<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Darkening of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Return of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beleriand and Its Realms]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Index of Names]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names]]<br />
* ''[[Unfinished Tales]]'', [[The History of Galadriel and Celeborn]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 1]]'', [[The Coming of the Elves and the Making of Kôr]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 1]]'', [[The Theft of Melko and the Darkening of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 1]]'', [[The Flight of the Noldoli]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 1]]'', [[Gilfanon's Tale: The Travail of the Noldoli and the Coming of Mankind]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Nauglafring]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Annals of Aman]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Grey Annals]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]] <br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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== External Links ==<br />
* [http://www.minastirith.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000635 What do you think of Fëanor?] - Discussion on MinasTirith.com<br />
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== See Also ==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Fëanor|Images of Fëanor]]<br />
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{{sequence<br />
|prev=[[Finwë]]<br />
|next=[[Fingolfin]]<br />
|list=2nd [[High King of the Noldor]] (''de jure'') <br>Y.T. 1495 – 1497<br />
}}<br />
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[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
[[de:Feanor]]<br />
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https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=F%C3%ABanor&diff=82486
Fëanor
2009-05-13T06:06:44Z
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<div>{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Catherine Karina Chmiel - Feanor.jpg|300px]]<br />
| name=Fëanor<br />
| quenya=[[fn]] ''[[Curufinwë]]'' ([[mn]] ''[[Fëanáro]]'')<br />
| titles=[[High King of the Noldor]]<br />
| birth=[[YOTT|Y.T.]] 1169, in [[Tirion]]<br />
| realm=[[Valinor]]<br />
| death=[[First Age|F.A.]] [[First Age 1|1]]<br />
| age=3171 [[years of the Sun|years]]<br />
| parentage=[[Finwë]] and [[Míriel Serindë|Miriel]]<br />
| spouse=[[Nerdanel]]<br />
| children=Seven [[Sons of Fëanor|sons]]<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Black<br />
| ref=''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
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<center>{{quote|For Fëanor was made the mightiest in all parts of body and mind: in valour, in endurance, in beauty, in understanding, in skill, in strength and subtlety alike: of all the Children of Ilúvatar, and a bright flame was in him.|''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor]]}}</center><br />
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[[Image:Feanor_device.gif|left|100px]] <br />
'''Fëanor''' was a prince of the [[Noldor]], eldest and most beloved son of [[Finwë]]. He had the greatest skill of word and hand, a renowned craftsman, gem-smith, and warrior. Fëanor created the [[Silmarils]], which was his most famous deed, and also wrought the [[palantíri]] and the [[Fëanorian lamps]]. In addition, he invented the widely-used [[Tengwar]] script. His passionate hatred of [[Morgoth]] and terrible [[Oath of Fëanor|oath]] led directly to the great triumphs and tragedies of the First Age.<br />
<br />
== Life in Valinor ==<br />
Fëanáro Curufinwë (as was his original name) was the eldest son of Finwë, the [[High King of the Noldor]], and his first wife [[Míriel Serindë]]. He drew so much of Míriel's life energy when he was born that she grew weary of life, and departed to [[Lórien in Valinor|Lórien]], where she voluntarily left her corporeal form, and died. Finwë remarried, and had two more sons, Fëanor's half-brothers [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]], and two daughters, [[Daughters of Finwë|Findis]] and [[Daughters of Finwë|Irimë]]. Fëanor wedded [[Nerdanel]], daughter of [[Mahtan]], who bore him [[Sons of Fëanor|seven sons]]: [[Maedhros]], [[Maglor]], [[Celegorm]], [[Caranthir]], [[Curufin]], [[Amrod]] and [[Amras]].<br />
<br />
At this time, [[Melkor]], the mightiest of the Valar and source of evil, had deceived the Valar into thinking that he had repented of his evil ways. Pardoned and residing in Valinor, he undertook to corrupt the Noldor and succeeded in making them instruments of his malice, particularly Fëanor. But Fëanor greatly mistrusted Melkor, which was part of Melkor's plan.<br />
<br />
[[Image:Antti Autio - The Threat of Feanor.jpg|thumb|left|350px|''Fëanor's threat'' by [[Antti Autio]]]]<br />
<br />
In the greatest of his achievements, Fëanor captured the light of the [[Two Trees]] to make the three Silmarils, also called the Great Jewels. He prized the Silmarils above all else, and grew increasingly suspicious that the Valar and other Eldar coveted them. He either vainly displayed the jewels or jealously guarded them from all except his immediate family.<br />
<br />
Melkor greatly desired the Silmarils and his hatred for Fëanor grew, but the Valar still did not know of Melkor's true intentions. Melkor played upon Fëanor's temperament and pride to convince him that his own half-brother Fingolfin was not only planning to usurp his place as heir to Finwë, but also seize the jewels for himself. Fëanor's hostility grew to the point to where he threatened Fingolfin's life. (It was at this time that the Noldor first began to forge weapons.) For this, the Valar exiled him to Formenos. He took a substantial treasure with him, including the Silmarils, which he put in a locked box. In a show of support for his eldest son, Finwë withdrew to Formenos. <br />
<br />
The Valar realized that Melkor was behind Fëanor's actions. They sent [[Tulkas]] to imprison him again, but he could not be found. Melkor was not seen for a long time, until he unexpectedly showed up at Formenos. Since with Finwë and Fëanor's absence Fingolfin had become king, it seemed that Melkor's lies were true. Melkor tried again to convince Fëanor of them, but he erred, and Fëanor realized that Melkor's true goal was to obtain the Silmarils. He shut the door in Melkor's face. In a rage, Melkor left. When the Valar heard of the incident, they started the hunt up again. But it was apparent that Melkor had fled from Valinor. He feigned to go north, but then turned south.<br />
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After a time the Valar sought to mend the breach between Fëanor and Fingolfin, and invited them to Valinor to make peace. Fingolfin offered a hand to his half-brother, recognizing Fëanor's place as the eldest, which he grudgingly accepted.<br />
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Meanwhile, Melkor stole away to [[Avathar]] in the south of Aman to seek out the evil, spider-like creature [[Ungoliant]]. Ungoliant helped Morgoth destroy the Two Trees, bringing darkness to Valinor. Morgoth and Ungoliant then went to Formenos, slew Finwë, and took all the gems there, including the Silmarils. They escaped by crossing the [[Helcaraxë]], or Grinding Ice, in the north to [[Beleriand]] in Middle-earth.<br />
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It was during the festivities where Fëanor and Fingolfin were being reconciled that the Trees were destroyed. The Valar knew that now the light of the Trees survived only in the Silmarils and [[Yavanna]] asked Fëanor to give them up so that they could restore the Trees. Fëanor emphatically stated that he would not give up his Silmarils of his own free will; if the Valar forced him, he said, they would be no better than Melkor. It was after this that the messenger came telling of the raid at Formenos.<br />
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According to the messenger, Melkor, surrounded by an impenetrable black fog, had come to Fëanor's vault in Formenos. Finwë the High King fought and lost against Melkor, and was the first elf to be slain in Valinor. Melkor ransacked the vault, taking many valuable jewels. Most notably, he was responsible for the thievery of the Silmarils.<br />
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== The Return of the Noldor ==<br />
[[Image:Tuuliky - Feanor.jpg|thumb|250px|left|''Fëanor'' by Tuuliky]]The Valar and Eldar now fully understood the extent of Melkor's treachery. Fëanor, upon learning of his father's murder and the theft of his prized Silmarils, named Melkor "Morgoth", or "Black Enemy". Now King of the Noldor, Fëanor delivered the most impassioned speech ever given in Arda, which he unwittingly filled with Morgoth's taint. He railed against the Dark Lord, but because of Morgoth's influence, he also blamed the Valar for Morgoth's deeds. He persuaded most his people that because the Valar had abandoned them, the Noldor must follow him to Middle-earth and fight the Dark Lord. Fëanor then swore the terrible [[Oath of Fëanor]] which all seven of his sons also proclaimed, vowing to fight anyone and everyone—whether Elf, Man, Maia, or Vala—who withheld the Silmarils, and invoking even [[Ilúvatar]] as a witness. This Oath led to much conflict and later caused great tragedy among his seven sons.<br />
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Seeking a way to get to Middle-earth, he went to the shores of Aman, where the seafaring [[Teleri]] lived, and demanded the use of their ships. When Teleri refused to give or lend their ships, Fëanor ordered the Noldor to take the ships. The Teleri resisted, and a battle broke out, in which many of them were slain. <br />
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In repentance of this act, Finarfin, Finwë's third son, took his host and turned back. They were accepted by the Valar, and Finarfin ruled as High-King of the Noldor in Valinor. <br />
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There were not enough ships to carry all of the Noldor across the sea, so Fëanor and his sons led the first group. Upon arriving at Losgar, in the land of Lammoth, in the far west of Beleriand, where Morgoth and Ungoliant had passed not long before, they decided to burn the ships and leave the followers of Fingolfin behind. However, Fëanor accidentally left his son Amras in the ships, and he was burned alive{{ref|nameSons}}. The earth being flat in those days, the remaining Noldor saw the flames, and perceived that if they were to go to Middle-earth, they had no choice but to cross the Helcaraxë. This they did under the leadership of Fingolfin, and suffered great losses along the way, which greatly added to the animosity they had for Fëanor and his sons. [[Image:Carlo_Pagulayan_-_Feanor_and_Gothmog.jpg|thumb|right|250px|''Fëanor and Gothmog'' by Carlo Pagulayan]]<br />
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Learning of the Noldor's arrival, Morgoth summoned his armies from his fortress of [[Angband]] and attacked Fëanor's encampment in [[Mithrim]]. This battle was called the [[Dagor-nuin-Giliath]] ("Battle under the Stars"), for the Sun and Moon had not yet been made. The Noldor managed to win the battle and disperse Morgoth's armies. Fëanor, still in a great rage, pressed on toward Angband with his sons. He came even within sight of Angband, but was ambushed by a force of [[Balrogs]], with few elves about him. He fought mightily, hewing even after receiving several wounds from [[Gothmog, Lord of Balrogs]]. <br />
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His sons came upon the balrogs with great force of elves, and were able to drive them off. However, as Fëanor was being carried off the battlefield, he knew his wounds were fatal. He cursed Angband thrice, but with the eyes of death, he knew that his elves, unaided, would never throw down the dark towers. At the moment of his death the passing of his fiery spirit reduced his body to ashes.<br />
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His sons were still bound by the Oath to recover the Silmarils, which would determine the events of Middle-earth during the First Age.<br />
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== Etymology ==<br />
Fëanor's [[father-name]] was ''[[Curufinwë]]''', "Skillful Finwë", by adding ''[[curu]]'', the [[Quenya]] noun for "skill", to his father's name . He later gave his favorite son [[Curufin]] the same father-name. His [[mother-name]] was ''[[Fëanáro]]'', which translates as "Spirit of Fire", being formed by adding ''[[fëa]]'', a Quenya noun for "spirit" and ''[[nár]]'', "flame". Apparently, the masculine ending ''[[-o]]'' is also present. The name Fëanor is the [[Sindarin]] version of his mother-name.<br />
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== Genealogy ==<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| MHT | | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]|MHT=[[Mahtan]]}}<br />
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{{familytree| | | CAR |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |CAR=[[Caranthir]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CUR | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]|CUR=[[Curufin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | AMD |(| |`|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |AMD=[[Amrod]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |`| AMR | | CLB | | | | | | | |AMR=[[Amras]]|CLB=[[Celebrimbor]]}}<br />
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== References ==<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Darkening of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Return of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beleriand and Its Realms]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[Unfinished Tales]]'', [[The History of Galadriel and Celeborn]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 1]]'', [[The Coming of the Elves and the Making of Kôr]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 1]]'', [[The Theft of Melko and the Darkening of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 1]]'', [[The Flight of the Noldoli]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 1]]'', [[Gilfanon's Tale: The Travail of the Noldoli and the Coming of Mankind]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Nauglafring]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Annals of Aman]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Grey Annals]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]] <br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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== External Links ==<br />
* [http://www.minastirith.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000635 What do you think of Fëanor?] - Discussion on MinasTirith.com<br />
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== See Also ==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Fëanor|Images of Fëanor]]<br />
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{{sequence<br />
|prev=[[Finwë]]<br />
|next=[[Fingolfin]]<br />
|list=2nd [[High King of the Noldor]] (''de jure'') <br>Y.T. 1495 – 1497<br />
}}<br />
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[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
[[de:Feanor]]<br />
[[fi:Fëanor]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Hunt_for_Gollum&diff=82067
The Hunt for Gollum
2009-05-08T23:09:53Z
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<div>[[Image:The Hunt for Gollum logo.jpg|200px|right]]<br />
'''The Hunt for Gollum''' is a fan film based on ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''. The film focuses on the events prior to ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' but after ''[[The Hobbit]]'' as [[Aragorn]] tracks down [[Gollum]]. Featured characters include [[Aragorn]], [[Gandalf]], [[Arwen]] and [[Gollum]], with new characters ''Arithir'', and ''Goblok''. The film is available to download for free from [[May 3]], [[2009]].<sup>[http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2009/02/02/31077-fanfilm-the-hunt-for-gollum-online-may-3rd/]</sup><br />
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==Synopsis==<br />
==Cast==<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"<br />
! Role !! Actor<br />
|-<br />
| [[Aragorn II]] || [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2423411/ Adrian Webster]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Arwen]] || [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2645682/ Rita Ramnani]<br />
|-<br />
|[[Gandalf]] || Patrick O'Connell<br />
|-<br />
| [[Gollum]] (Voice) || [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2421667/ Gareth Brough]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Gollum]] (Performer) || [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2423282/ Matthew Cunningham] <br />
|-<br />
| Elf of Mirkwood || [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3329553/ Max Bracey]<br />
|-<br />
| Arithir || [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0020164/ Arin Alldridge]<br />
|-<br />
| Goblok || Gareth Brough<br />
|}<br />
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==Crew==<br />
*Director: Chris Bouchard<br />
*Co-Producers:<br />
**Brian Lavery<br />
**Gladys San Juan<br />
**Julianne Honey-Mennal<br />
**Spencer Duru<br />
*1st Assistant Director: Irene Maffei<br />
*Assistant Producer: Agatha O'Neil<br />
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Music by Adam Langston and Andrew Skrabutenas, based on music by [[Howard Shore]] and [[Requiem for a Tower|Clint Mansell]].<br />
==Trailer==<br />
<youtube>nQzFbmnIM_M</youtube><br />
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==External links==<br />
* '''[http://www.thehuntforgollum.com/ Official Website]'''<br />
* [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1323925/ The Hunt for Gollum] at [http://www.imdb.com/ IMDb]<br />
* [http://www.filmaffinity.com/en/film258572.html The Hunt for Gollum] at [http://www.filmaffinity.com/en/main.html FilmAffinity]<br />
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[[Category:Fan films]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Ambarto&diff=78740
Ambarto
2009-03-21T12:21:25Z
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<div>'''Ambarto''' was a [[Quenya]] [[mother-name]] given to [[Amras]], twin son of [[Fëanor]] by [[Nerdanel]], his mother. Initially, both twins were called [[Ambarussa]] so their father insisted on having different names. Nerdanel changed one of the names, without clearly deciding which, to ''[[Umbarto]]'', which meant "the fated". Because of its meaning, Fëanor had quickly urged Nerdanel to change it to ''[[Ambarto]]''. <br />
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It is translated as "Upwards-exalted", being composed from ''[[amba]]'' = "upwards, top" and ''[[arta]]'' = "exalted". <br />
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==References== <br />
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* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor ]]<br />
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[[Category:Quenya words]]<br />
[[Category:Amilessi]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Amras&diff=78739
Amras
2009-03-21T12:17:56Z
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<div>{{Claimed|[[User:Þelma]]}}<br />
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{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Jenny Dolfen - Amrod and Amras, sons of Feanor.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Amras<br />
| quenya=[[fn]] ''[[Telufinwë]]'' ([[mn]] ''[[Ambarussa]]'' or ''[[Umbarto]]/[[Ambarto]]'')<br />
| titles=<br />
| birth=Sometime during late [[YOTT]], [[Tirion]]<br />
| realm=[[Tirion]]<br />
| death=[[YOTT 1500]]<br />
| age=50+<br />
| parentage=[[Fëanor]] + [[Nerdanel]]<br />
| spouse=None<br />
| children=<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Red<br />
| ref=''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]''<br />
|}}<br />
'''Amras''' and his twin brother [[Amrod]] were the youngest sons of [[Fëanor]]. Through their mother [[Nerdanel]] they inherited red hair (probably a dark red), instead of Fëanor's black.<br />
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==History==<br />
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He joined his brothers in the [[Oath of Fëanor]], but his mother Nerdanel begged that either he or Amrod be left behind, believing in her heart that one would not return. Fëanor, however, refused her this kindness, and paid for it. Amras was accidentally killed in the swan ships of the [[Teleri]] when his father ordered them to be burnt at [[Losgar]]. According to the ''[[Shibboleth]]'', he claimed (to Amrod) to have felt uncomfortable sleeping on the ground after the Noldor landed on the [[Lammoth]]. It was thought later that he wished to return to his mother in the ship, being shocked by his father's deeds. Fëanor was probably aware of his dissention, and this may have been one of the elements of his decision to burn the ships even before all the food and stores had been got out. Yet he was in great dismay when he learned of his son's death, and doubtless remembered the foreboding words of his wife.<br />
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==Other versions of the Legendarium==<br />
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In the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' and in earlier texts he is said to have lived on to [[Beleriand]] and ruled with his twin Amrod over lands west of the [[Blue Mountains]].<br />
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== Etymology ==<br />
Amras' [[father-name]] in [[Quenya]] was '''[[Telufinwë]]''', "Last [of] Finwë", for he was the last of the sons of the [[House of Finwë]] and its short form was ''Telvo''. His [[mother-name]] was originally '''[[Ambarussa]]''' ("Top-russet", referring to his hair), the same as his twin Amrod, but Fëanor insisted that the twins ought to have different names and Nerdanel prophetically called him '''[[Umbarto]]''', "The Fated" (from ''[[umbar]]'' = "fate"). His father, disturbed by it, changed it to '''[[Ambarto]]''', "Upwards-exalted" (from ''[[amba]]'' = "upwards, top" and ''[[arta]]'' = "exalted", "lofty"). Nevertheless both twins called each other ''Ambarussa''.<br />
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The name ''Amras'' is the Sindarin version of ''Ambarussa''.<br />
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In later notes found in ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', Tolkien mentions that he wished to change the name to ''[[Amros]]'' because of linguistic issues. While this occured late in life, and there are no known manuscripts written later that contradict this, its canonicity is in dispute.<br />
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== Genealogy ==<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| MHT | | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]|MHT=[[Mahtan]]}}<br />
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{{familytree| | NRD |~|y|~| FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
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{{familytree| | | | | |)| MDH | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]|MDH=[[Maedhros]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | MAG |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
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{{familytree| | | CAR |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |CAR=[[Caranthir]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CUR | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]|CUR=[[Curufin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | AMD |(| |`|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |AMD=[[Amrod]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |`| AMR | | CLB | | | | | | | |AMR='''AMRAS'''|CLB=[[Celebrimbor]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
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== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==<br />
There is no trace of the death of Amras at Losgar in the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', as it was a very late idea by [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]], omitted by [[Christopher Tolkien]] as he did not at the time see how it could be incorporated into the primary text of ''The Silmarillion''. Where both Amrod and Amras are mentioned in the published text after the landing in Losgar, it should according to Tolkien's later wishes be Amrod alone. The information regarding Amras' naming, especially, comes from ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]''.<br />
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== References ==<br />
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* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Return of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beleriand and Its Realms]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Doriath]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Nauglafring]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Annals of Aman]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Grey Annals]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]] <br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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==See Also==<br />
<br />
*[[:Category:Images of Amras|Images of Amras]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
[[Category:Years of the Trees characters]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Ambarto&diff=78738
Ambarto
2009-03-21T12:01:37Z
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<div>'''Ambarto''' was a [[Quenya]] [[mother-name]] given to [[Amras]], twin son of [[Fëanor]] by [[Nerdanel]], his mother. Initially, both twins were called [[Ambarussa]] so their father insisted on having different names. Nerdanel changed one of the names, without clearly deciding which, to ''[[Umbarto]]'', which meant, prophetically, "the fated". Because of its meaning, Fëanor had quickly urged Nerdanel to change it to ''[[Ambarto]]'', but while she relented, she said that nevertheless ''Umbarto'' would be its true form. <br />
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==References== <br />
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* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor ]]<br />
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[[Category:Quenya words]]<br />
[[Category:Amilessi]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Telufinw%C3%AB&diff=78736
Telufinwë
2009-03-21T10:34:43Z
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<div>'''''Telufinwë''''' was the [[Essi|essi]] of [[Amras]], youngest [[Sons of Fëanor|son]] of [[Fëanor]]. It means "Last Finwë " in [[Quenya]].<br />
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==References== <br />
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* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor ]]<br />
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[[Category:Quenya words]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Umbarto&diff=78735
Umbarto
2009-03-21T10:26:17Z
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<div>'''Umbarto''' was a [[Quenya]] [[mother-name]] given to [[Amras]] son of [[Fëanor]] by [[Nerdanel]] his mother after the insisting of the former that he have a different mother-name than [[Ambarussa]], his twin. ''Umbarto'' meant, prophetically, ''the fated''; Amras was accidentally burned alive in the ships of the [[Teleri]] at [[Losgar]] during the [[Return of the Noldor]]. Because of its meaning, [[Fëanor]] had quickly urged Nerdanel to change it to ''[[Ambarto]]'', but while she relented, she said that nevertheless ''Umbarto'' would be its true form. [[Amrod]] echoed this after the tragedy that took Amras' life.<br />
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==References== <br />
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* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor ]]<br />
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[[Category:Quenya words]]<br />
[[Category:Amilessi]]</div>
Þelma
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Ambarto
2009-03-21T10:25:04Z
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Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tyelka&diff=77171
Tyelka
2009-02-22T16:44:55Z
<p>Þelma: New page: '''''Tyelka''''' is a Quenya adjective which means "swift", "agile" or "hasty". ==Examples== * Tyelkormo = Hasty-riser ==References== * ''The Peoples of Middle-earth'', [...</p>
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<div>'''''Tyelka''''' is a [[Quenya]] adjective which means "swift", "agile" or "hasty". <br />
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==Examples==<br />
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* [[Tyelkormo]] = Hasty-riser<br />
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==References== <br />
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* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor ]]<br />
* [http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf Quenya-English Wordlist] compiled by [[Helge Kåre Fauskanger]]<br />
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[[Category:Quenya words]]</div>
Þelma
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Tyelcormo
2009-02-22T16:44:29Z
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Þelma
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Tyelkormo
2009-02-22T16:44:08Z
<p>Þelma: New page: '''''Tyelkormo''''' was the mother-name of Celegorm, third son of Fëanor. It means "Hasty-riser" and it is a reference to his quick temper. ''Tyelka'', in Quenya, is ...</p>
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<div>'''''Tyelkormo''''' was the [[mother-name]] of [[Celegorm]], third son of [[Fëanor]]. It means "Hasty-riser" and it is a reference to his quick temper. ''[[Tyelka]]'', in [[Quenya]], is an adjective which means "swift", "agile" or "hasty". <br />
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==References== <br />
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* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor ]]<br />
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[[Category:Quenya words]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Celeg&diff=77168
Celeg
2009-02-22T16:43:10Z
<p>Þelma: New page: '''''Celeg''''' is a Noldorin adjective meaning "swift" or "agile". == Examples == * Celegorm = Hasty-riser ==References== *''The Lost Road and Other Writings'', [[The Etymo...</p>
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<div>'''''Celeg''''' is a [[Noldorin]] adjective meaning "swift" or "agile".<br />
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== Examples ==<br />
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* [[Celegorm]] = Hasty-riser<br />
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==References==<br />
*''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
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[[Category:Sindarin words]]<br />
[[Category:Noldorin words]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Turcafinw%C3%AB&diff=77166
Turcafinwë
2009-02-22T16:40:29Z
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<div>'''''Turcafinwë''''' was the [[father-name]] of [[Celegorm]], third son of [[Fëanor]]. In [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]] is translated as "Strong, powerful(in body) Finwë".<br />
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==References== <br />
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* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor ]]<br />
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[[Category:Quenya words]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Celegorm&diff=77165
Celegorm
2009-02-22T16:39:40Z
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{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Ivanneth_Celegorm.jpeg|Celegorm by Ivanneth|250px]]<br />
| name=Celegorm the Fair<br />
| quenya=[[fn]] ''[[Turcafinwë]]'' ([[mn]] ''[[Tyelkormo]]'')<br />
| titles=Lord of [[Himlad]]<br />
| birth=Sometime during [[YOTT]], [[Tirion]]<br />
| realm=[[Himlad]]<br />
| death=[[First Age 506|F.A. 506]], [[Menegroth]]<br />
| age=650+<br />
| parentage=[[Fëanor]] + [[Nerdanel]]<br />
| spouse=None<br />
| children=<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Disputed; either golden or dark<br />
| marks=<br />
|}}<br />
'''Celegorm the Fair''' was the third son of [[Fëanor]] and [[Nerdanel]], and a constant companion of his younger brother, [[Curufin]].<br />
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Celegorm was a great huntsman, and was a friend of the [[Valar|Vala]] [[Oromë]]. From Oromë he learned great skill of birds and beasts, and could understand a number of their languages. He had brought with him from [[Valinor]] the great hound [[Huan]], a gift from Oromë.<br />
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==History==<br />
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As with the other [[Sons of Fëanor]], Celegorm was bound by an [[Oath of Fëanor|oath]] to recover his father's [[Silmarils]], which had been stolen by the Dark Lord [[Morgoth]]. His oath took him and his brothers to Middle-earth during the First Age where they established realms in exile, waged war against the armies of Morgoth, fought their own Elvish kind, and eventually brought ruin upon themselves.<br />
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He dwelt with his brother Curufin in [[Himlad]], a pass that led into Kingdom of [[Doriath]], which the two brothers fortified and held until the [[Dagor Bragollach]]. Following the battle, the two brothers were defeated and had to flee with their people to [[Nargothrond]], where their cousin [[Finrod Felagund]] welcomed them.<br />
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While he and his brother Curufin lived in Nargothrond they almost took it over at the departure of Finrod Felagund. They both had great influence, for both were great orators. They captured [[Lúthien Tinúviel]], daughter of King [[Thingol]] of Doriath. Celegorm wished to marry her, thus forcing a bond of kinship with Thingol. Huan, however, broke with his master and helped Lúthien escape. He was expelled from Nargothrond at the order of [[Orodreth of Nargothrond|Orodreth]].<br />
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Celegorm fell in the [[Second Kinslaying]], when the [[Sons of Fëanor]] attacked Doriath to seize a Silmaril in the possession of the Elvish King [[Dior Eluchíl]]. Dior and Celegorm slew each other in the halls of [[Menegroth]].<br />
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[[Image:Jenny Dolfen and Anke Eißmann - Celegorm and Curufin.jpg|thumb|left|400px|''Celegorm and Curufin in Nargothrond'' by [[Jenny Dolfen]]]]<br />
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== Etymology ==<br />
Celegorm's [[father-name]] was '''''[[Turcafinwë]]''''', which in [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]] is translated as "Strong, powerful(in body) Finwë". His [[mother-name]] was '''''[[Tyelkormo]]''''', meaning "Hasty-riser" a reference to his quick temper. ''[[Tyelka]]'', in [[Quenya]], is an adjective which means "swift, agile or hasty". The name Celegorm is the [[Sindarin]] version of his [[mother-name]]. The [[Noldorin]] ''[[celeg]]'' has the same meaning as tyelka, as they are both derived from the root ''kyelek''.<br />
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==Celegorm's Hair==<br />
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There has long been put forth the question as to the nature of Celegorm's hair. Most writings seem to indicate that he had "fair" hair, hence his title "''Celegorm the Fair''". But Tolkien has also remarked numerous times that the [[Noldor]] were accustomed to have dark hair, the only exceptions being when the person in question was descended at least in part from the [[Vanyar]] (for example, [[Idril Celebrindal]] and [[Finarfin]]). Therefor we have only a few options: (1) Celegorm did not have light-colored hair, (2) Celegorm did have light-colored hair. The only way for the latter to be true is either that Nerdanel had traces of Vanyarin blood in her, or that it was not Tolkien's final intent to have all Noldor with dark hair. It is also possible that Tolkien did not examine this point deeply.<br />
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== Genealogy ==<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| MHT | | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]|MHT=[[Mahtan]]}}<br />
{{familytree| |`|.| | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | NRD |~|y|~| FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| MDH | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]|MDH=[[Maedhros]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | MAG |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CEL | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|CEL='''CELEGORM'''}}<br />
{{familytree| | | CAR |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |CAR=[[Caranthir]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CUR | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]|CUR=[[Curufin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | AMD |(| |`|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |AMD=[[Amrod]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |`| AMR | | CLB | | | | | | | |AMR=[[Amras]]|CLB=[[Celebrimbor]]}}<br />
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== References ==<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Return of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beleriand and Its Realms]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Maeglin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beren and Lúthien]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Doriath]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Tale of Tinúviel]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Nauglafring]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Annals of Aman]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Grey Annals]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]] <br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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==See Also==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Celegorm|Images of Celegorm]]<br />
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[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
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[[de:Celegorm]]<br />
[[fr:encyclo:personnages:elfes:noldor:celegorm]]<br />
[[fi:Celegorm]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Makalaur%C3%AB&diff=77042
Makalaurë
2009-02-21T17:51:07Z
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<div>'''''Makalaurë''''' was the [[mother-name]] of [[Maglor]], second son of [[Fëanor]]. In the [[The Etymologies]] it is translated as "Gold-cleaver", while [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]] explains that the name might be connected to his skill in harping, whose sound was golden.<br />
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==References== <br />
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* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor ]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
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[[Category:Quenya words]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Kanafinw%C3%AB&diff=77041
Kanafinwë
2009-02-21T17:44:57Z
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<div>'''''Canafinwë''''' was the [[father-name]] of [[Maglor]], second son of [[Fëanor]]. Formed by adding up the [[Quenya]] noun ''[[cáno]]'', which means "commander", to the name of his [[Finwë|grandfather]], it can be translated as "Strong-voiced of Finwë". <br />
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==References== <br />
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* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor ]]<br />
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[[Category:Quenya words]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Maglor&diff=77040
Maglor
2009-02-21T17:37:44Z
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{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Jenny Dolfen - Maglor, son of Feanor.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Maglor<br />
| quenya=[[fn]] ''[[Canafinwë]]'' ([[mn]] ''[[Makalaurë]]'')<br />
| titles=Lord of [[Maglor's Gap]], [[High King of the Noldor]] (briefly)<br />
| birth=Sometime during [[YOTT]], [[Tirion]]<br />
| realm=[[Maglor's Gap]]<br />
| death=Unknown, if ever<br />
| age=<br />
| parentage=[[Fëanor]] + [[Nerdanel]]<br />
| spouse=None<br />
| children=<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Dark<br />
| ref=''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
'''Maglor''' was the second of the [[Sons of Fëanor]], who inherited more of his mother [[Nerdanel|Nerdanel's]] gentle spirit than any of his brothers. Maglor was famed as a poet and bard, but he took the [[Oath of Fëanor]] in [[Tirion]] and shared in the woes that came of it. <br />
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==History==<br />
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Maglor followed his father, [[Fëanor]], into exile, and saw him perish at the hands of the [[Balrogs]]. With the rest of his brothers, he dwelt to the east of [[Beleriand]], and Maglor settled between the [[Little Gelion]] and [[Greater Gelion]], the two rivers that came together to form the long [[Gelion]] itself. That region—which came to be known as '''[[Maglor's Gap]]'''—lacked hills or mountains, and so was the place on Beleriand's border that was most open to attack from the north.<br />
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[[Image:Ted Nasmith - Maglor Casts a Silmaril into the Sea.jpg|thumb|left|''Maglor Casts a Silmaril into the Sea'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
Maglor guarded his Gap for four and a half centuries, but was eventually overcome in the [[Dagor Bragollach]]. The dragon [[Glaurung]] invaded Maglor's land and ruined it, so that he was forced to flee to the fortress of his brother [[Maedhros]] on the hill of [[Himring]] to the west. Sixteen years later, he marched out with Maedhros to the great battle that should have seen the revenge of the [[Elves]] on [[Morgoth]], but was brought to ruin by the treachery of [[Uldor the Accursed]]. Maglor slew Uldor himself, but the field was lost; that was the battle afterwards called the [[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]], the "Battle of Unnumbered Tears".<br />
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All six (or seven) of Fëanor's remaining sons survived the Nirnaeth (Amras perished at Losgar in one version). In the years leading up to that battle, one of the three [[Silmarils]] had been recovered from [[Iron Crown|Morgoth's Crown]], and had come eventually to be held by [[Dior]] in [[Doriath]]. He would not surrender it to the brothers' claims, and so they assaulted Thingol's ancient kingdom. [[Celegorm]], [[Caranthir]] and [[Curufin]] all fell in that futile battle. Now only three of Fëanor's sons survived: Maglor, the eldest son Maedhros, and the youngest son [[Amrod]]. After some years had passed, the three came to learn that a Silmaril was held by [[Elwing]] at the [[Mouths of Sirion]], and though they restrained themselves for some time, their Oath compelled them to take back the jewel. So they assaulted their fellow Elves, and Elwing escaped with the Silmaril across the [[Belegaer|Sea]] to her husband [[Eärendil the Mariner|Eärendil]], and together they sailed into the [[West]]. That voyage would in time bring about the downfall of Morgoth.<br />
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After the destruction of Morgoth, the last two Silmarils were recovered from his Crown. By this time, only Maedhros and Maglor remained of Fëanor's sons, and Maglor came close to repenting the Oath. Wearily, he accompanied his brother in the theft of the Silmarils, but their evil deeds in recovering them meant that the holy Jewels burned their skin. Maedhros in despair leapt into a fiery fissure, and Maglor, the last of the Sons of Fëanor to survive, cast his Silmaril into the Sea. Legend says that he still wanders the shores of the World, singing laments for his despair and regret.<br />
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==Etymology==<br />
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His [[father-name]] was '''''[[Canafinwë]]''''', a name which in [[Quenya]] means "Strong-voiced [of] [[Finwë]]". It is derived from ''[[cáno]]'', a noun which means "commander", added to the name of his grandfather. His [[mother-name]] was '''''[[Makalaurë]]'''''. In [[The Etymologies]] it is interpreted as "Gold-cleaver". A possible explanation for this translation is given in [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]], where it is stated that the name might be a reference to his skill in harping, whose sound was golden.<br />
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== Genealogy ==<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| MHT | | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]|MHT=[[Mahtan]]}}<br />
{{familytree| |`|.| | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | NRD |~|y|~| FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| MDH | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]|MDH=[[Maedhros]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | MAG |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |MAG='''MAGLOR'''}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CEL | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|CEL=[[Celegorm]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | CAR |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |CAR=[[Caranthir]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CUR | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]|CUR=[[Curufin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | AMD |(| |`|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |AMD=[[Amrod]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |`| AMR | | CLB | | | | | | | |AMR=[[Amras]]|CLB=[[Celebrimbor]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
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== References ==<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Return of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beleriand and Its Realms]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Doriath]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 1]]'', [[Gilfanon's Tale: The Travail of the Noldoli and the Coming of Mankind]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Nauglafring]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Annals of Aman]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Grey Annals]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]] <br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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==See Also==<br />
*[[:Category:Images of Maglor|Images of Maglor]]<br />
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[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=C%C3%A1no&diff=77039
Cáno
2009-02-21T17:36:51Z
<p>Þelma: New page: '''''cáno''''' is a Quenya noun which means "commander", but usually refers to a lesser rank, as one who would serve the highest chief. ==Examples== * Canafinwë = Strong-voiced...</p>
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<div>'''''cáno''''' is a [[Quenya]] noun which means "commander", but usually refers to a lesser rank, as one who would serve the highest chief.<br />
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==Examples==<br />
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* [[Canafinwë]] = Strong-voiced of Finwë; commanding<br />
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==References== <br />
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* [http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/qlist.htm Quenya Corpus Wordlist] compiled by [[Helge Kåre Fauskanger]]<br />
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[[Category:Quenya words]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Pityafinw%C3%AB&diff=76944
Pityafinwë
2009-02-18T19:56:18Z
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<div>'''''Pityafinwë''''' was the [[Essi|essi]] of [[Amrod]], youngest [[Sons of Fëanor|son]] of [[Fëanor]]. It is cmposed from ''[[pitya]]'', which means "little" in [[Quenya]] and [[Finwë]], the name of his grandfather. <br />
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==References== <br />
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* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor ]]<br />
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[[Category:Quenya words]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Pitya&diff=76943
Pitya
2009-02-18T19:55:37Z
<p>Þelma: New page: '''''pitya''''' is a Quenya adjective which means "little". ==Examples== * Pityafinwë = Little Finwë ==References== * [http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf Quenya-English Wordlist...</p>
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<div>'''''pitya''''' is a [[Quenya]] adjective which means "little".<br />
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==Examples==<br />
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* [[Pityafinwë]] = Little Finwë<br />
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==References== <br />
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* [http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf Quenya-English Wordlist] compiled by [[Helge Kåre Fauskanger]]<br />
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[[Category:Quenya words]]</div>
Þelma
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Pityo
2009-02-18T19:47:18Z
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Pityafinwë
2009-02-18T19:46:48Z
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<div>'''''Pityafinwë''''' was the [[Essi|essi]] of [[Amrod]], youngest [[Sons of Fëanor|son]] of [[Fëanor]]. It is cmposed from ''[[pitya]]'', which means "petty" in [[Quenya]] and [[Finwë]], the name of his grandfather. <br />
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==References== <br />
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* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor ]]<br />
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[[Category:Quenya words]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Amrod&diff=76936
Amrod
2009-02-18T19:33:11Z
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{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Jenny Dolfen - Amrod and Amras, sons of Feanor.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Amrod<br />
| quenya=[[fn]] ''[[Pityafinwë]]'' ([[mn]] ''[[Ambarussa]]'')<br />
| titles=<br />
| birth=Sometime during [[YOTT]], [[Tirion]]<br />
| realm=[[East Beleriand]]<br />
| death=[[FA 575]]<br />
| age=620+<br />
| parentage=[[Fëanor]] + [[Nerdanel]]<br />
| spouse=None<br />
| children=<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Dark red<br />
| ref=''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
'''Amrod''' ([[rod]] = power) ([[Years of the Trees]] – [[First Age]] 575), with his twin brother [[Amras]], was the youngest of the seven [[Sons of Fëanor]].<br />
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==History==<br />
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He, like his brothers, participated in the [[Flight of the Noldor]]. He was deeply attached to his twin, and both called one another "''[[Ambarussa]]''" (see below). After his brother's death in the Ships of the [[Teleri]] at [[Losgar]], according to the ''[[Shibboleth of Fëanor]]'', he dared speak against his father, and was the last to do so.<br />
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{{quote|In the morning the host was mustered, but of Fëanor's seven sons only six were to be found. Then Ambarussa went pale with fear. 'Did you not then rouse Ambarussa my brother (whom you called Ambarto?' he said. 'He would not come ashore to sleep (he said) in discomfort.' But it is thought (and no doubt Fëanor had guessed this also) that it was in the mind of Ambarto to sail his ship back [?afterwards] and rejoin Nerdanel; for he had been much [?shocked] by the deed of his father. That ship I destroyed first,' said Fëanor (hiding his own dismay). 'Then rightly you gave the name to the youngest of your children,' said Ambarussa, 'And ''Umbarto'' "the Fated" was its true form. Fell and fey are you become.' And after that no one dared to speak again to Fëanor of this matter.|''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]''}}<br />
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After Fëanor's death he dwelt in the wide plains of [[East Beleriand]] and was known as a great hunter. He died during the attack made by the Sons of Fëanor on the [[Havens of Sirion]].<br />
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== Etymology ==<br />
Amrod's [[father-name]] was '''[[Pityafinwë]]''', or "Little Finwë", as he was the youngest of the [[House of Finwë]] (debatably; Tolkien wavered on this point). The short form of his name was [[Pityo]], "Little One". His [[mother-name]] was '''[[Ambarussa]]''' ("top-russet", referring to his hair). His twin Amras shared the same mother-name for a time (see ''[[Amras]]'' for further information). The name ''Amrod'' is the [[Sindarin]] version of the short form of ''Pityafinwë'', ''Pityo''.<br />
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== Genealogy ==<br />
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{{familytree| MHT | | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]|MHT=[[Mahtan]]}}<br />
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{{familytree| | NRD |~|y|~| FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| MDH | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]|MDH=[[Maedhros]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | MAG |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
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{{familytree| | | CAR |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |CAR=[[Caranthir]]}}<br />
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{{familytree| | | AMD |(| |`|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |AMD='''AMROD'''}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |`| AMR | | CLB | | | | | | | |AMR=[[Amras]]|CLB=[[Celebrimbor]]}}<br />
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== References ==<br />
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* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Return of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beleriand and Its Realms]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Doriath]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Nauglafring]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Annals of Aman]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Grey Annals]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]] <br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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==See Also==<br />
*[[:Category:Images of Amrod|Images of Amrod]]<br />
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[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
[[Category:First Age characters]]<br />
[[Category:Years of the Trees characters]]</div>
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https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Amras&diff=76935
Amras
2009-02-18T19:11:44Z
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{{noldor infobox<br />
| image=[[Image:Jenny Dolfen - Amrod and Amras, sons of Feanor.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Amras<br />
| quenya=[[fn]] ''[[Telufinwë]]'' ([[mn]] ''[[Ambarussa]]'' or ''[[Umbarto]]/[[Ambarto]]'')<br />
| titles=<br />
| birth=Sometime during late [[YOTT]], [[Tirion]]<br />
| realm=[[Tirion]]<br />
| death=[[YOTT 1500]]<br />
| age=50+<br />
| parentage=[[Fëanor]] + [[Nerdanel]]<br />
| spouse=None<br />
| children=<br />
| gender=Male<br />
| hair=Red<br />
| ref=''[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]''<br />
|}}<br />
'''Amras''' and his twin brother [[Amrod]] were the youngest sons of [[Fëanor]]. Through their mother [[Nerdanel]] they inherited red hair (probably a dark red), instead of Fëanor's black.<br />
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==History==<br />
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He joined his brothers in the [[Oath of Fëanor]], but his mother Nerdanel begged that either he or Amrod be left behind, believing in her heart that one would not return. Fëanor, however, refused her this kindness, and paid for it. Amras was accidentally killed in the swan ships of the [[Teleri]] when his father ordered them to be burnt at [[Losgar]]. According to the ''[[Shibboleth]]'', he claimed (to Amrod) to have felt uncomfortable sleeping on the ground after the Noldor landed on the [[Lammoth]]. It was thought later that he wished to return to his mother in the ship, being shocked by his father's deeds. Fëanor was probably aware of his dissention, and this may have been one of the elements of his decision to burn the ships even before all the food and stores had been got out. Yet he was in great dismay when he learned of his son's death, and doubtless remembered the foreboding words of his wife.<br />
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==Other versions of the Legendarium==<br />
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In the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' and in earlier texts he is said to have lived on to [[Beleriand]] and ruled with his twin Amrod over lands west of the [[Blue Mountains]].<br />
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== Etymology ==<br />
Amras' [[father-name]] in [[Quenya]] was '''[[Telufinwë]]''', "Last [of] Finwë", for he was the last of the sons of the [[House of Finwë]] and its short form was ''Telvo''. His [[mother-name]] was originally '''[[Ambarussa]]''' ("Top-russet", referring to his hair), the same as his twin Amrod, but Fëanor insisted that the twins ought to have different names and Nerdanel prophetically called him '''Umbarto''', "The Fated" (from ''[[umbar]]'' = "fate"). His father, disturbed by it, changed it to '''Ambarto''', "Upwards-exalted" (from ''[[amba]]'' = "upwards, top" and ''[[arta]]'' = "exalted"). Nevertheless both twins called each other ''Ambarussa''.<br />
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The name ''Amras'' is the Sindarin version of ''Ambarussa''.<br />
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In later notes found in ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', Tolkien mentions that he wished to change the name to ''[[Amros]]'' because of linguistic issues. While this occured late in life, and there are no known manuscripts written later that contradict this, its canonicity is in dispute.<br />
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== Genealogy ==<br />
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{{familytree/start}}<br />
{{familytree| MHT | | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|y|~| IND | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]|MHT=[[Mahtan]]}}<br />
{{familytree| |`|.| | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | NRD |~|y|~| FEA | | | | |)| FDS | | | FDS=[[Findis]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|NRD=[[Nerdanel]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| MDH | | | | | |)| FNG | | | |FNG=[[Fingolfin]]|MDH=[[Maedhros]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | MAG |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |MAG=[[Maglor]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CEL | | | | | |)| IRM | |IRM=[[Irimë]]|CEL=[[Celegorm]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | CAR |(| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | |CAR=[[Caranthir]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |)| CUR | | | | | |`| FRF | | | | |FRF=[[Finarfin]]|CUR=[[Curufin]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | AMD |(| |`|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |AMD=[[Amrod]]}}<br />
{{familytree| | | | | |`| AMR | | CLB | | | | | | | |AMR='''AMRAS'''|CLB=[[Celebrimbor]]}}<br />
{{familytree/end}}<br />
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== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==<br />
There is no trace of the death of Amras at Losgar in the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', as it was a very late idea by [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]], omitted by [[Christopher Tolkien]] as he did not at the time see how it could be incorporated into the primary text of ''The Silmarillion''. Where both Amrod and Amras are mentioned in the published text after the landing in Losgar, it should according to Tolkien's later wishes be Amrod alone. The information regarding Amras' naming, especially, comes from ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]''.<br />
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== References ==<br />
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* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Flight of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Return of the Noldor]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of Beleriand and Its Realms]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Noldor in Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Ruin of Doriath]]<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', [[Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath]]<br />
* ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 2]]'', [[The Nauglafring]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Beleriand]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The later Annals of Valinor]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', [[The Etymologies]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Annals of Aman]]<br />
* ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Grey Annals]]<br />
* ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', [[The Later Quenta Silmarillion]] <br />
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor]]<br />
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==See Also==<br />
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*[[:Category:Images of Amras|Images of Amras]]<br />
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[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:House of Finwë]]<br />
[[Category:Years of the Trees characters]]</div>
Þelma
https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Ambarussa&diff=76934
Ambarussa
2009-02-18T19:10:24Z
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<div>'''Ambarussa''' was [[Nerdanel|Nerdanel's]] [[mother-name]] for her twin sons [[Amrod]] and [[Amras]]. It translates as "top-russet", referring to the color of their hair. After [[Fëanor]] their father insisted on giving them each seperate names Nerdanel named Amras ''[[Umbarto]]'', the fated, and Fëanor changed it to ''[[Ambarto]]''. But the twins each still called the other ''Ambarussa''.<br />
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==References== <br />
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* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', [[The Shibboleth of Feanor ]]<br />
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[[Category:Quenya words]]<br />
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[[Category:Amilessi]]</div>
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