Index talk:Poems by J.R.R. Tolkien

Should these poems be included:

• Poems in the essay A Secret Vice (1931), published in 1983 in The Monsters and the Critics and Other Essays

• Oilima Markirya (with a revised version from much later time)
• The Last Ark
• Nieninque
• Earendel
• Earendel at the Helm
• Dir avosaith

And this!

• Again this year, my dear Priscilla (1938), Letters from Father Christmas

And this?

• The Lay of the Fall of Gondolin (1920s) (The Lays of Beleriand 144-149)

--Tik 05:34, 17 November 2007 (EST)

I don't see any reason why not :) Good catch! --Hyarion 12:52, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Added. --Tik 15:53, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Poems within the legendarium

It is stated on the page that the category "does not include poems published within Tolkien's legendarium." But how do we categorize these? --Morgan 08:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Poems in The Hobbit and Poems in The Lord of the Rings, mainly. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:11, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Structure of list

I'm thinking of doing some tweaks on this list:

• Move the year of composition to before the title (for example: *[[19XX]] Title of poem)
• Implement a chronology based on year of composition (which is stated in the introduction, but not used throughout the article)
• Use "..." or '...' for titles of poems (seems to be standard on TG), and cursive for titles of publications.

Would this be okey for everyone? --Morgan 17:57, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

1. Yes.
2. I'm not enthusiastic: people tend to search for stuff by year of publication and not year of writing. What about poems written over several years?
3. Italics: yes. I don't understand the purpose of "...". --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:11, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

• 2) Then only include the year when it was first published? This would be enough, IMHO.
• 3) Do you mean that we should use italics for both the title of poems and of publications? --Morgan 21:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

• 2. Do you mean that for all poems, or just poems which are written over many years?
• 3. Italics for publications, quotes for poems, e.g. "Errantry" in The Adventures of Tom Bombadil. (I now realise what you meant.). --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 00:08, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

• 2. All poems.--Morgan 09:30, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Name of page

I think this page could be renamed to UNCOLLECTED POEMS. Since this is the name give it to Tom Shippey in a essay on Encyclopedia of J.R.R.Tolkien. There are others poems that I included in last days. But change the name of the page could be better. —Unsigned comment by Sigurd (talk • contribs).

The poems we include in this index are both collected and uncollected, so I don't see any reason to change the name of the article.--Morgan 15:24, 28 November 2013 (UTC)