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Am completing a fleshing out of the article on Fingolfin's eldest son [[Fingon]], as requested on the main page.  Have some spelling errors and other "mechanic" touch-ups to do, just wrote the bridge section to the existing Maedhros rescue narrative.
Am completing a fleshing out of the article on Fingolfin's eldest son [[Fingon]], as requested on the main page.  Have some spelling errors and other "mechanic" touch-ups yet to do, just wrote the bridge section to the existing Maedhros rescue narrative; which was where the History section had originally started.


These foundational characters must need be discussed either very lightly or at some length (for those interested in prolix articles).  The "short form", IMHO, just doesn't give folks like Fingon High King of Dor-lómin, his rightful due.


There is something to be said for different Editors giving enough info on how the character fits into the complex web of the "back-story" from different perspectives.


Reading it told correctly several different ways makes the immense Legendarium more accessible to younger, attention span challenged, readers who are honing their concentration skills into formidable tools for life and the pleasure that comes from a complete understanding of any topic. I remember well how steep a learning curve all this content was in the late-60's and early-70's, before "social" media gutted the reading and concentration skills of so many.  Keep in mind, those reading here, and especially editing here, are Readers, and already appreciate the joy of good books!
Agree?  Disagree? I have the thick skin of Ironfoot so speak your mind honestly.  Kind feedback is appreciated.
[[User:Fudoki|Fudoki]] 03:04, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


Although my life has been spent primarily in the lofty towers of Technology and Science (retired Metrologist, Internet and General Communications Engineer, and Programmer), my initial love was, and still is English Literature; hence my first degree in Arts and Letters. Yes, I'm an engineer that can write properly!  A "rare bird" indeed.
:I reverted most of it. If you've got Ironfoot's skin, then...
* it had barely any structure
* it had many sentences that were simply much too long. Nested clauses seriously hamper readbility.
* it has way too much non-Fingon material, no matter how "tightly interwoven" it is. Context should be kept to a minimum as it destroys the pacing; a link to the [[Kinslaying]] suffices, what other people did during and after it is irrelevant to Fingon.
* it started out-of-universe, and had several other out-of-universe points throughout.
* it lacked sources to chapters. While it already lacked sources to begin with, expansion should include sources (though that's, admittedly, not in itself a reason for removal)
:Sorry, but reverting that was much better than reading up and cleaning up. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:40, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


"Social" Media use has reduced the "average measurable" attention span of a 21 year old college student from around 22 minutes (until boredom begins to set in) in 1975 to around 4 minutes in 2015! One wonders why commercial time blocks in media have grown to double that!  But I digress.  Those who choose to become Readers, and enjoy actual books (not the audio kind) quickly increase their attention span to the previous, apparantely natural, level of 20 minutes or so.  Sadly, many have adopted a habit of automatically refusing to even peruse any printed document longer than half a page!  How does one learn anything of value with a 250 word limit on data? They simply never gain mastery of any subject; yet if this shallowness is ubiquitous, who notices?  A: Those who know.  There are many books on this phenomena, from every possible approach, for those who wish to learn more.  I take the space to make these comments because, as a former "academic" with a major College of Education, and Tolkien lover, it is clear that Prof. Tolkien was a deeply learned man of great intellectual power, and to compress his works into "sound bites" (not "bytes") is, IMHO ("in my humble opinion" - quite old Net slang, circa 1978 on ArpaNET, on which I was a "full access" user, it was for Military use only at that time and required a very high clearance) would be a crime against the very thing the folks that have generously given their time, talents, and efforts to the World through this Wiki have worked to produce.  OK, sermon completed.
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You will have the Wiki you prefer.


Repeating some expository details placing any given character, and their actions, in context makes it a more facile process to get a real grip on the many generations of characters and what happened where, and when.  The fact that there is inherentely repitition in this approach does more good than harm and saves having to jump from page to page for back-story, events, etc. when you are studying a specific character; keeping in mind that only the pertinent details be included and held tightly to the character's role and connection to th events detailed.
Sorry to have troubled you so.


While the reverse approach may be more concise, shorter, and faster - my belief is that it makes getting a real firm idea of where a character fits into the big picture more difficult.
[[User:Fudoki|Fudoki]] 20:47, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 
Agree?  Disagree?  I have the thick skin of Ironfoot so speak your mind honestly.  Kind feedback is appreciated.
[[User:Fudoki|Fudoki]] 03:04, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

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Am completing a fleshing out of the article on Fingolfin's eldest son Fingon, as requested on the main page. Have some spelling errors and other "mechanic" touch-ups yet to do, just wrote the bridge section to the existing Maedhros rescue narrative; which was where the History section had originally started.


Agree? Disagree? I have the thick skin of Ironfoot so speak your mind honestly. Kind feedback is appreciated. Fudoki 03:04, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

I reverted most of it. If you've got Ironfoot's skin, then...
  • it had barely any structure
  • it had many sentences that were simply much too long. Nested clauses seriously hamper readbility.
  • it has way too much non-Fingon material, no matter how "tightly interwoven" it is. Context should be kept to a minimum as it destroys the pacing; a link to the Kinslaying suffices, what other people did during and after it is irrelevant to Fingon.
  • it started out-of-universe, and had several other out-of-universe points throughout.
  • it lacked sources to chapters. While it already lacked sources to begin with, expansion should include sources (though that's, admittedly, not in itself a reason for removal)
Sorry, but reverting that was much better than reading up and cleaning up. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:40, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

You will have the Wiki you prefer.

Sorry to have troubled you so.

Fudoki 20:47, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

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