https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Finw%C3%AB&feed=atom&action=historyFinwë - Revision history2024-03-29T09:27:23ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.3https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Finw%C3%AB&diff=382247&oldid=prevOberiko: /* Finwë as Ambassador */ Present --> Past tense2023-11-11T17:55:28Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Finwë as Ambassador: </span> Present --> Past tense</span></p>
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</table>Oberikohttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Finw%C3%AB&diff=382244&oldid=prevOberiko: /* The Nature of Middle-earth: Other */ - More postulations2023-11-10T18:28:07Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">The Nature of Middle-earth: Other: </span> - More postulations</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In ''Generational Schemes'' Finwë, along with Ingwë and Elwë, are 6th generation Elves, each a direct descendant by eldest sons, of Tata, Imin, and Enel respectively. Finwë was born in FA 772, 92 years before the Finding by Oromë. He would have married Míriel about 1084, but postponed marriage until the end of the Great Journey.<ref <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">name=natGen1</del>>{{NM|P1xvii}}, p. 122</ref> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In ''Generational Schemes'' Finwë, along with Ingwë and Elwë, are 6th generation Elves, each a direct descendant by eldest sons, of Tata, Imin, and Enel respectively. Finwë was born in FA 772, 92 years before the Finding by Oromë. He would have married Míriel about 1084, but postponed marriage until the end of the Great Journey.<ref>{{NM|P1xvii}}, p. 122<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ref></ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Oberikohttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Finw%C3%AB&diff=382241&oldid=prevOberiko: /* The Nature of Middle-earth */ Generational schemes2023-11-10T17:13:10Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">The Nature of Middle-earth: </span> Generational schemes</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In [[The Nature of Middle-earth]], Finwë was born in VY 865/104 (2120)<ref group=note>In this reckoning, each [[Valian Year]] is equivalent to 144 solar years. The "/104" denotes an additional 104 solar years after the start of VY 865. The year 2120 isn't a direct conversion from "VY 865/104", but a reference to solar years since the start of the First Age with [[Awakening of the Elves]] in VY 850.</ref> as a direct descendant, in the 25th generation, of [[Tata]].<ref name=nat1>{{NM|P1xiii}}, pp. 98-102</ref> </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In [[The Nature of Middle-earth]], Finwë was born in VY 865/104 (2120)<ref group=note>In this reckoning, each [[Valian Year]] is equivalent to 144 solar years. The "/104" denotes an additional 104 solar years after the start of VY 865. The year 2120 isn't a direct conversion from "VY 865/104", but a reference to solar years since the start of the First Age with [[Awakening of the Elves]] in VY 850.</ref> as a direct descendant, in the 25th generation, of [[Tata]].<ref name=nat1>{{NM|P1xiii}}, pp. 98-102</ref> </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Finwë departs as Ambassador in VY 1393. In this version the invitation coincides with the War, as the Ambassadors return in 1394 between the start of the attack on [[Angband]] in 1393 and its fall in 1395. The [[Great March]] begins in 1396.<ref name=nat3>{{NM|P1xiii}}, p. 105</ref> </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Finwë departs as Ambassador in VY 1393. In this version the invitation coincides with the War, as the Ambassadors return in 1394 between the start of the attack on [[Angband]] in 1393 and its fall in 1395. The [[Great March]] begins in 1396.<ref name=nat3>{{NM|P1xiii}}, p. 105</ref> </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a later version, Finwë had three daughters by [[Indis]]: [[Findis]] (as their first child), [[Faniel]] (as their third), and [[Finvain]] (as their youngest).<ref>{{PM|XI}}, p. 359 note 26</ref> In yet later versions, Faniel was apparently dropped, while Findis and Finvain were kept. Finvain (renamed [[Írimë]]) was moved to after Fingolfin, thus Finarfin was once again the youngest child of Finwë. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a later version, Finwë had three daughters by [[Indis]]: [[Findis]] (as their first child), [[Faniel]] (as their third), and [[Finvain]] (as their youngest).<ref>{{PM|XI}}, p. 359 note 26</ref> In yet later versions, Faniel was apparently dropped, while Findis and Finvain were kept. Finvain (renamed [[Írimë]]) was moved to after Fingolfin, thus Finarfin was once again the youngest child of Finwë. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In [[The Nature of Middle-earth]], Finwë was born in VY 865/104 (2120)<ref group=note>In this reckoning, each [[Valian Year]] is equivalent to 144 solar years. The "/104" denotes an additional 104 solar years after the start of VY 865. The year 2120 isn't a direct conversion from "VY 865/104", but a reference to solar years since the start of the First Age with [[Awakening of the Elves]] in VY 850.</ref> as a direct descendant, in the 25th generation, of [[Tata]].<ref name=nat1>{{NM|P1xiii}}, pp. 98-102</ref> </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In [[The Nature of Middle-earth]], Finwë was born in VY 865/104 (2120)<ref group=note>In this reckoning, each [[Valian Year]] is equivalent to 144 solar years. The "/104" denotes an additional 104 solar years after the start of VY 865. The year 2120 isn't a direct conversion from "VY 865/104", but a reference to solar years since the start of the First Age with [[Awakening of the Elves]] in VY 850.</ref> as a direct descendant, in the 25th generation, of [[Tata]].<ref name=nat1>{{NM|P1xiii}}, pp. 98-102</ref> </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In VY 866/1 (2163) Melkor, suspecting that the Valar purposed war against him, has his emissaries circulate lies amongst the Elves that the Valar had, rightly, abandoned [[Endor]] (Middle-earth) as the appointed realm of the Elves, but were now becoming jealous, and wished to control the Elves as vassals and re-posses Endor for themselves. Finwë, a gallant and adventurous young Elf, was much taken in by these ideas.<ref name=nat1 /></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In VY 866/1 (2163) Melkor, suspecting that the Valar purposed war against him, has his emissaries circulate lies amongst the Elves that the Valar had, rightly, abandoned [[Endor]] (Middle-earth) as the appointed realm of the Elves, but were now becoming jealous, and wished to control the Elves as vassals and re-posses Endor for themselves. Finwë, a gallant and adventurous young Elf, was much taken in by these ideas.<ref name=nat1 /></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==== Finwë as Ambassador ====</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">=</ins>==== Finwë as Ambassador <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">=</ins>====</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In VY 866/50 (2212) the Elves received invitation from the Valar to live in Valinor in order to protect them from the upcoming war and Finwë, along with Ingwë and Elwë, were elected from their kindreds as the [[Three Ambassadors]] to travel to Valinor as representatives. They arrive in VY 866/51 (2123) where they were dazzled and overawed; Finwë became the most converted as he sees Valinor as a place where his lover Míriel, already devoted to crafts, will have the marvellous chance of learning new skills. The Ambassadors remained in Valinor until VY 866/60 (2222), as both Ingwë and Finwë were reluctant to hurry away, and returned to Cuiviénen in VY 866/61 where the [[Debate of the Quendi]] was held.<ref name=nat1 /> </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In VY 866/50 (2212) the Elves received invitation from the Valar to live in Valinor in order to protect them from the upcoming war and Finwë, along with Ingwë and Elwë, were elected from their kindreds as the [[Three Ambassadors]] to travel to Valinor as representatives. They arrive in VY 866/51 (2123) where they were dazzled and overawed; Finwë became the most converted as he sees Valinor as a place where his lover Míriel, already devoted to crafts, will have the marvellous chance of learning new skills. The Ambassadors remained in Valinor until VY 866/60 (2222), as both Ingwë and Finwë were reluctant to hurry away, and returned to Cuiviénen in VY 866/61 where the [[Debate of the Quendi]] was held.<ref name=nat1 /> </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>During the debate, Finwë argued for the Elves to accept the offer of the Valar, speaking of both the riches of knowledge and crafts, and of the upcoming war. He spoke that the Elves had only seen "the skirts of the Shadow", and that they do not realize what dreadful power the Valar have or what the War that is about to be waged will entail to Endor. His speech is very effective, as many who cannot conceive of Valinor's attraction, are frightened by what might befall them if they remain.<ref name=nat1 /> </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>During the debate, Finwë argued for the Elves to accept the offer of the Valar, speaking of both the riches of knowledge and crafts, and of the upcoming war. He spoke that the Elves had only seen "the skirts of the Shadow", and that they do not realize what dreadful power the Valar have or what the War that is about to be waged will entail to Endor. His speech is very effective, as many who cannot conceive of Valinor's attraction, are frightened by what might befall them if they remain.<ref name=nat1 /> </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In an alternate scheme, the [[Three Fathers]] ([[Imin]], Tata, and [[Enel]]) were the Ambassadors, with Finwë, Ingwë, and Elwë as assistants and representatives of the younger Elves. During the Debate, Imin and Tata who were both very impressed by the Valar, spoke in favour of accepting the invitation. When the younger assistants speak Finwë, possibly being more rebellious and independent, speaks with less deference than Ingwë towards the Three Fathers and hints that Tata did not employ his time fully or rightly depicted the wealth of the Valar in wisdom and skills; he has undisclosed thoughts about enhancing the skills of his lover Míriel. Finwë's most effective point remains in frightening the Elves of probable ruin in the upcoming War.<ref name=nat1 /> </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In an alternate scheme, the [[Three Fathers]] ([[Imin]], Tata, and [[Enel]]) were the Ambassadors, with Finwë, Ingwë, and Elwë as assistants and representatives of the younger Elves. During the Debate, Imin and Tata who were both very impressed by the Valar, spoke in favour of accepting the invitation. When the younger assistants speak Finwë, possibly being more rebellious and independent, speaks with less deference than Ingwë towards the Three Fathers and hints that Tata did not employ his time fully or rightly depicted the wealth of the Valar in wisdom and skills; he has undisclosed thoughts about enhancing the skills of his lover Míriel. Finwë's most effective point remains in frightening the Elves of probable ruin in the upcoming War.<ref name=nat1 /> </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In ''[[The Book of Lost Tales]]'', the lord of the [[Noldoli]] was also called '''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Nólemë</del>''', or Finwë <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Nólemë</del>. He was the father, rather than grandfather, of [[Turgon]], and was unrelated to [[Fëanor]]. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Nólemë </del>was one of the original Elven ambassadors sent to Valinor, and he afterwards led the Noldoli on their journey there.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></del><ref>{{LT1|V}}, pp. 115-9</ref> When Fëanor called for the Noldoli to abandon their home of [[Kôr]] in Valinor, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Nólemë </del>counselled against this, but his wisdom was paid little heed. Not wishing to be separated from his people, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Nólemë </del>left Valinor with them.<ref>{{LT1|VII}}, pp. 162-3</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In ''[[The Book of Lost Tales]]'', the lord of the [[Noldoli]] was also called '''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Nólemë</ins>''', or Finwë <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Nólemë</ins>. He was the father, rather than grandfather, of [[Turgon]], and was unrelated to [[Fëanor]]. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Nólemë </ins>was one of the original Elven ambassadors sent to Valinor, and he afterwards led the Noldoli on their journey there.<ref>{{LT1|V}}, pp. 115-9</ref> When Fëanor called for the Noldoli to abandon their home of [[Kôr]] in Valinor, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Nólemë </ins>counselled against this, but his wisdom was paid little heed. Not wishing to be separated from his people, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Nólemë </ins>left Valinor with them.<ref>{{LT1|VII}}, pp. 162-3</ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In [[The Nature of Middle-earth]], Finwë was born in VY 865/104 (2120)<ref group=note>In this reckoning, each [[Valian Year]] is equivalent to 144 solar years. The "/104" denotes an additional 104 solar years after the start of VY 865. The year 2120 isn't a direct conversion from "VY 865/104", but a reference to solar years since the start of the First Age with [[Awakening of the Elves]] in VY 850.</ref> as a direct descendant, in the 25th generation, of [[Tata]].<ref name=nat1>{{NM|P1xiii}}, pp. 98-102</ref> </ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In VY 866/50 (2212) the Elves received invitation from the Valar to live in Valinor in order to protect them from the upcoming war and Finwë, along with Ingwë and Elwë, were elected from their kindreds as the [[Three Ambassadors]] to travel to Valinor as representatives. They arrive in VY 866/51 (2123) where they were dazzled and overawed; Finwë became the most converted as he sees Valinor as a place where his lover Míriel, already devoted to crafts, will have the marvellous chance of learning new skills. The Ambassadors remained in Valinor until VY 866/60 (2222), as both Ingwë and Finwë were reluctant to hurry away, and returned to Cuiviénen in VY 866/61 where the [[Debate of the Quendi]] was held.<ref name=nat1 /> </ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In an alternate scheme, the [[Three Fathers]] ([[Imin]], Tata, and [[Enel]]) were the Ambassadors, with Finwë, Ingwë, and Elwë as assistants and representatives of the younger Elves. During the Debate, Imin and Tata who were both very impressed by the Valar, spoke in favour of accepting the invitation. When the younger assistants speak Finwë, possibly being more rebellious and independent, speaks with less deference than Ingwë towards the Three Fathers and hints that Tata did not employ his time fully or rightly depicted the wealth of the Valar in wisdom and skills; he has undisclosed thoughts about enhancing the skills of his lover Míriel. Finwë's most effective point remains in frightening the Elves of probable ruin in the upcoming War.<ref name=nat1 /> </ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Oberikohttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Finw%C3%AB&diff=381032&oldid=prevOberiko: /* Death */2023-10-07T15:43:02Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Death</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The [[House of Finwë]] was no exception. There was already argument between his sons, and these events only served to deepen these rifts. Finwë called a council and tried to moderate them towards one another. Fëanor arrived with a sword and threatened Fingolfin with it. Soon after that, the Valar called Fëanor to answer for his actions. The stem of the evil was exposed and Melkor's covert actions revealed. However, Fëanor was sentenced to twelve years of exile, and he removed himself north, to the fortress of [[Formenos]]. Due to the great love he had for his eldest son, Finwë renounced his throne as the King of the Noldor and followed Fëanor into exile.<ref>{{S|Unrest}}</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The [[House of Finwë]] was no exception. There was already argument between his sons, and these events only served to deepen these rifts. Finwë called a council and tried to moderate them towards one another. Fëanor arrived with a sword and threatened Fingolfin with it. Soon after that, the Valar called Fëanor to answer for his actions. The stem of the evil was exposed and Melkor's covert actions revealed. However, Fëanor was sentenced to twelve years of exile, and he removed himself north, to the fortress of [[Formenos]]. Due to the great love he had for his eldest son, Finwë renounced his throne as the King of the Noldor and followed Fëanor into exile.<ref>{{S|Unrest}}</ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Melkor went to Formenos and told Fëanor that the Silmarils would not lie safe within the realm of the Valar, and offered to help Fëanor go to Middle-earth. Fëanor perceived that Melkor wanted the Silmarils for himself. He rejected Melkor, while Finwë sent messengers to Manwë. It was during a [[high feast|time of festival]] that Melkor returned. All the people of Valinor were engaged in the festivities except Finwë, who, out of devotion for Fëanor and bitterness for his son's exile, chose to remain in Formenos, thus refusing to obey Manwë's call.<ref>{{S|Darkening}}</ref> After Melkor and [[Ungoliant]] destroyed the [[Two Trees of Valinor]], they headed towards Formenos. Alone Finwë had the courage to stand before the horror of the Darkness. There, before the doors of Formenos, the former King of the Noldor was killed and the first blood was spilled in the realm of Aman. Melkor then forcefully entered the fortress and stole the Silmarils.<ref>{{S|Flight}}</ref> Finwë's body was found shortly after by the [[Sons of Fëanor]], his head was crushed as with a great mace of iron, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and his </del>sword lay beside him, twisted and untempered as if by lightning-stroke.<ref>{{MR|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">P3II8</del>}}, §10</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Melkor went to Formenos and told Fëanor that the Silmarils would not lie safe within the realm of the Valar, and offered to help Fëanor go to Middle-earth. Fëanor perceived that Melkor wanted the Silmarils for himself. He rejected Melkor, while Finwë sent messengers to Manwë. It was during a [[high feast|time of festival]] that Melkor returned. All the people of Valinor were engaged in the festivities except Finwë, who, out of devotion for Fëanor and bitterness for his son's exile, chose to remain in Formenos, thus refusing to obey Manwë's call.<ref>{{S|Darkening}}</ref> After Melkor and [[Ungoliant]] destroyed the [[Two Trees of Valinor]], they headed towards Formenos. Alone Finwë had the courage to stand before the horror of the Darkness. There, before the doors of Formenos, the former King of the Noldor was killed and the first blood was spilled in the realm of Aman. Melkor then forcefully entered the fortress and stole the Silmarils.<ref>{{S|Flight}}</ref> </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Finwë's body was found shortly after by the [[Sons of Fëanor]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. His body was burned and destroyed as though by lightning<ref>{{MR|P3II3}}</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">p. 248</ref> and </ins>his head was crushed as with a great mace of iron<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.<ref name="RotS">{{MR|P3II8}}</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">§10</ref> His </ins>sword lay beside him, twisted and untempered as if by lightning-stroke.<ref <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">name="RotS" /</ins>><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref group=note>Christopher Tolkien notes that the two accounts of Finwë's death ''"may not be death altogether contradictory, for in the present text Maedros speaks of seeing a sudden flame out of the Cloud of Ungoliantë, followed by ‘one piercing cry’, and of finding Finwë’s sword ‘twisted and untempered as if by lightning-stroke’.'' - </ins>{{MR|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">P3II9a</ins>}}<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, commentary</ins>, §10</ref></div></td></tr>
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</table>Oberikohttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Finw%C3%AB&diff=381030&oldid=prevOberiko: /* Death */ - Condition of his body on discovery2023-10-07T15:10:03Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Death: </span> - Condition of his body on discovery</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Melkor went to Formenos and told Fëanor that the Silmarils would not lie safe within the realm of the Valar, and offered to help Fëanor go to Middle-earth. Fëanor perceived that Melkor wanted the Silmarils for himself. He rejected Melkor, while Finwë sent messengers to Manwë. It was during a time of festival that Melkor returned. All the people of Valinor were engaged in the festivities except Finwë, who, out of devotion for Fëanor and bitterness for his son's exile, chose to remain in Formenos, thus refusing to obey Manwë's call.<ref>{{S|Darkening}}</ref> After Melkor and [[Ungoliant]] destroyed the [[Two Trees of Valinor]], they headed towards Formenos. Alone Finwë had the courage to stand before the horror of the Darkness. There, before the doors of Formenos, the former King of the Noldor was killed and the first blood was spilled in the realm of Aman. Melkor forcefully entered the fortress and stole the Silmarils.<ref>{{S|Flight}}</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Melkor went to Formenos and told Fëanor that the Silmarils would not lie safe within the realm of the Valar, and offered to help Fëanor go to Middle-earth. Fëanor perceived that Melkor wanted the Silmarils for himself. He rejected Melkor, while Finwë sent messengers to Manwë. It was during a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[high feast|</ins>time of festival<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>that Melkor returned. All the people of Valinor were engaged in the festivities except Finwë, who, out of devotion for Fëanor and bitterness for his son's exile, chose to remain in Formenos, thus refusing to obey Manwë's call.<ref>{{S|Darkening}}</ref> After Melkor and [[Ungoliant]] destroyed the [[Two Trees of Valinor]], they headed towards Formenos. Alone Finwë had the courage to stand before the horror of the Darkness. There, before the doors of Formenos, the former King of the Noldor was killed and the first blood was spilled in the realm of Aman. Melkor <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">then </ins>forcefully entered the fortress and stole the Silmarils.<ref>{{S|Flight}}<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ref> Finwë's body was found shortly after by the [[Sons of Fëanor]], his head was crushed as with a great mace of iron, and his sword lay beside him, twisted and untempered as if by lightning-stroke.<ref>{{MR|P3II8}}, §10</ins></ref></div></td></tr>
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