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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The '''Elven Door''' was constructed in cooperation between [[Dwarves]] and [[Elves]], sometime between {{SA|750}} and {{SA|1500|n}}.<ref name="SA">{{App|SA}}</ref> It was the two greatest craftsmen of the Second Age, the [[Noldor|Elf]] and Lord of Eregion, [[Celebrimbor]], and the [[Dwarves|dwarf]] [[Narvi]] who built the Doors.<ref name="Dark"/></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The '''Elven Door''' was constructed in cooperation between [[Dwarves]] and [[Elves]], sometime between {{SA|750}} and {{SA|1500|n}}.<ref name="SA">{{App|SA}}</ref> It was the two greatest craftsmen of the Second Age, the [[Noldor|Elf]] and Lord of Eregion, [[Celebrimbor]], and the [[Dwarves|dwarf]] [[Narvi]] who built the Doors.<ref name="Dark"/></div></td></tr>
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</table>Sagehttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Doors_of_Durin&diff=362829&oldid=prevDour1234: This image does not have anything else other than the Doors.2022-11-25T03:48:58Z<p>This image does not have anything else other than the Doors.</p>
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</table>Hyarionhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Doors_of_Durin&diff=352931&oldid=prevHyarion: Added infobox and new illustration2022-08-16T01:11:01Z<p>Added infobox and new illustration</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The '''Doors of Durin''', also known as the '''West-gate''', the '''West-door of Moria''', or '''Elven Door''', were built into the [[Walls of Moria]] in the dark cliffs of the [[Celebdil|Silvertine]], and formed the western entrance to the great [[Dwarves|Dwarven]] city of [[Moria|Khazad-dûm]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The '''Doors of Durin''', also known as the '''West-gate''', the '''West-door of Moria''', or '''Elven Door''', were built into the [[Walls of Moria]] in the dark cliffs of the [[Celebdil|Silvertine]], and formed the western entrance to the great [[Dwarves|Dwarven]] city of [[Moria|Khazad-dûm]].</div></td></tr>
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</table>Hyarionhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Doors_of_Durin&diff=328619&oldid=prevGrace18: Added reference2021-03-07T22:13:28Z<p>Added reference</p>
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</table>Grace18https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Doors_of_Durin&diff=328595&oldid=prev141.101.69.164: /* A possible inconsistency */2021-03-07T16:31:29Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">A possible inconsistency</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The name ''[[Moria]]'' <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">for Khazad-dûm </del>means "Black Chasm" and was <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">also </del>said to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">be </del>given by the Elves "without love"<ref name=<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>Trans<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del>>{{App|Translation}}</ref><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. This naming of the Doors is inconsistent with a later mention where Tolkien says </del>that the [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Sindar</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">did not attempt to adapt </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">names </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Dwarves' mansions</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">but translated them according to </del>their <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sense</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">These names </del>were <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">used by the [[Noldor]] </del>in <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">speaking or writing [[Sindarin]]</del>.<ref>{{<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">WJ</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">AB</del>}}, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">p</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">389</del></ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The name ''[[Moria]]'' means "Black Chasm" <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in [[Sindarin]] </ins>and was said to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">have been </ins>given by the Elves "without love"<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</ins><ref name=Trans>{{App|Translation}}<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: "Moria is an Elvish name, and given without love; for the Eldar... were not dwellers in such places of choice"</ins></ref> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Some statements seem to imply </ins>that the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">name Moria for Khazad-dûm was only widely used after it fell to </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Durin's Bane</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">,<ref>{{S|Sindar}}: "afterwards in </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">days </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">its darkness called Moria"</ref><ref>{{FR|South}}:"Khazad-dûm, the Dwarrowdelf, that is now called the Black Pit</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Moria in the Elvish tongue."</ref> although others suggest the name was merely given by the Elves as a result of </ins>their <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">lack of love for underground dwellings</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name=Trans></ref> The possibly derogatory nature of this name has led some to question why it appears on doors that </ins>were <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">made </ins>in <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a time of friendship between Elves and Dwarves</ins>.<ref>{{<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">HM</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">RC</ins>}}, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pp</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">281-2</ins></ref> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">For a more detailed discussion of potential explanations, see [[Mistakes and inconsistencies in Tolkien's works# Doors of Durin|Mistakes and inconsistencies in Tolkien's works]].</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The name Moria for Khazad-dûm was also said to be given by the Elves "without love". This naming of the Doors is inconsistent with a later mention where Tolkien says that the [[Sindar]] did not attempt to adapt the names of Dwarves' mansions, but translated them according to their sense. These names were used by the [[Noldor]] in speaking or writing [[Sindarin]].<ref>{{WJ|AB}}, p. 389</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The name <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''[[</ins>Moria<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]'' </ins>for Khazad-dûm <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">means "Black Chasm" and </ins>was also said to be given by the Elves "without love"<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref name="Trans">{{App|Translation}}</ref></ins>. This naming of the Doors is inconsistent with a later mention where Tolkien says that the [[Sindar]] did not attempt to adapt the names of Dwarves' mansions, but translated them according to their sense. These names were used by the [[Noldor]] in speaking or writing [[Sindarin]].<ref>{{WJ|AB}}, p. 389</ref></div></td></tr>
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