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Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth

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Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth (S. "The Debate of Finrod and Andreth") was a discussion between two characters, Finrod Felagund, an Elven King, and Andreth, a mortal woman that took place during the Siege of Angband (though when originally written was placed much later) and deals with the metaphysical differences between Elves and Men and the imbalances between their fates. The conclusions they come to concern the role of Men beyond Arda and even the Second Music (though not explicitly referred to). Towards the end it also brings in Andreth's love for Aegnor and his reasons for refusing to return it, explained tenderly by Finrod, his elder brother which is revealed as the prompting for the debate in the first place. The text was included in Morgoth's Ring.


  • An Introductory text
  • The debate


  • Notes – by Christopher Tolkien
  • Commentary – by J.R.R. Tolkien
  • Author's notes on the commentary
  • Tale of Adanel – a tale related to the main essay
  • Glossary of Names
  • Some additional comments by Christopher Tolkien
  • Appendix – "The Converse of Manwë and Eru" and later conceptions of Elvish reincarnation; with comments by Christopher Tolkien

See also